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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2011, 02:39:48 AM »


look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,

i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,

the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,

trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call  enough to pass...

you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,

he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,

philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid

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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #76 on: September 21, 2011, 06:42:55 AM »
look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,

i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,

the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,

trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call  enough to pass...

you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,

he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,

philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid

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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2011, 07:54:15 AM »
look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,

i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,

the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,

trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call  enough to pass...

you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,

he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,

philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid

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I totally agree with you.  For some reason I just don't get the wow factor from Heath.  There is nothing special about him compared to other Mr. Olympias in the past.  The sad thing is that Tier 2 bodybuilders are now the Tier 1' because there really aren't that many special guys around anymore.  Phil was hyped for years to be Mr. O and once the chance came they gave it to him.  Not because he won it, but because someone else lost it.

People say he deservered it.  Really?  Why?  He was better than a lineup that should be on the NY Pro card and not the Mr. Olympia card.  The Elite freaks are done and there doesn't seem to be anyone coming up yet. 

The crazy thing is that Evan Centopani screwed up. If he came in dry and in shape hell he may have won this or even got top 3.  He MISSED a huge opportunity.  But is Evan Tier 1?  Not really to me.  Another nice to look at physique but nothing WOW about it.

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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2011, 08:05:46 AM »
Someone please explain how Phil is better than say dex?

That pic of Cormier is what is called Genetics.

Of the actual O winners i would go with:


Oliva
Dex
Arnie
Samir
Zane
Trans Milkshake.

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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #79 on: September 21, 2011, 08:32:44 AM »
look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,

i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,

the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,

trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call  enough to pass...

you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,

he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,

philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid

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Chick,

Totally respect your opinions and statements that you write on this board.  What is your opinion on the above though?  This can go hand in hand with things like "Phil didn't pay his dues,"  "No real time spent in the gym," and blah blah blah etc... BTW, I have nothing against Phil Heath.  You will actually rarely if ever hear me knock an IFBB pro, let alone a Mr. O, as being a pro is something I aspire to.  However, I don't think the abuse on insulin and such can be denied here, do you?  Not that it matters, it is bodybuilding and we all just do what's necessary for the best physique, but still, just curious as to your thoughts on it all.

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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2011, 08:41:10 AM »
IMHO.....

Shawn Ray had no weaknesses.....never won the Olympia....but he was very deserving....these blokes today are not even close to the guys from the 70s...80s....and early 90s......NOT EVEN CLOSE!

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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2011, 09:27:13 AM »
Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...

Top 5 in no oder

Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil

What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique,  out of all of them...without question

I agree with this list, but I don't think Phil has the least number of weaknesses.  '93 Yates, '91 Haney, '74 Schwarzenegger were all very complete and structurally superior to Phil.