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IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
Published September 20, 2011
FoxNews.com

President Obama gestures while speaking in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington Sept. 19.

President Obama and his advisers are presenting the "Buffett Rule" as the cure for an epidemic of millionaire tax scofflaws, but national statistics show millionaires by and large are paying taxes at a much higher rate than middle-class families.

And their income taxes make up a significant portion of the federal budget pie.

Data compiled by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center show households pulling in more than $1 million pay about 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes. By contrast, households making between $50,000 and $75,000 pay about 15 percent.

The so-called Buffett Rule has become the political centerpiece of the president's deficit-reduction program. Named after Warren Buffett, the provision would ensure people making more than $1 million a year pay taxes at a higher rate than the middle class.

The president proposed the rule after Buffett complained he was paying taxes at a lower rate than his secretary. Democrats said he's not the only one -- according to Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid's office, 22,000 people who make over $1 million a year pay taxes at a rate of less than 15 percent. According to the IRS, nearly 1,500 households reporting more than $1 million in income paid no federal income taxes in 2009.

That's out of about 236,000 returns for income above $1 million, most of which belong to households paying taxes at a higher rate. And, as would be expected, they contribute a disproportionate share of tax toward federal coffers.

IRS statistics for tax year 2009 show the millionaires -- who make up a fraction of a percent of all taxpayers -- contributed more than 20 percent of total federal income tax revenue. That's about $180 billion in taxes from millionaires, according to number-crunching from the National Taxpayers Union.

The National Taxpayers Union also found that in 2008 the top 1 percent of American taxpayers paid 38 percent of collections for personal federal income tax while they represented 20 percent of all income.

For those wealthy Americans paying taxes at a seemingly low rate, it could be because they earn income overseas or because a large part of annual income is from investments. Though corporate profits are taxed at 35 percent, in the form of capital gains and dividends they are taxed at 15 percent. Senate testimony in May from the Tax Foundation also showed that for taxpayers making more than $200,000 a year, their salary income made up just 20 percent of national salary income. Much more came from business income.

In total, the Obama deficit-reduction package would seek to raise taxes, mostly on high-income households, by $1.5 trillion over the next decade.

About half of that is from letting the Bush tax cuts expire for households making more than $250,000. Other changes would strip tax breaks for oil and gas companies and other benefits.

The White House would not say how much might be raised from the Buffett Rule or how it would be implemented.

But the Buffett Rule quickly became the rallying cry for the president's plan. In an email to supporters sent Monday night, the campaign urged voters to get the president's back on the plan.

"This proposal makes sure millionaires and billionaires share the responsibility for reducing the deficit," the email said. "The other side is already saying it's 'class warfare' -- that's their rhetorical smokescreen for providing millionaires and billionaires special treatment."

But Republican Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels told Fox News the president's proposal appeared to be "purposely divisive."

"As a practical matter, it's a loser," he said, describing the plan as "hair-of-the-dog economics."

"You know people that have had way too much of something they shouldn't and there's always somebody who says have another one, it'll make you feel better -- it just doesn't work any better in this case," Daniels said.

Louisiana Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal said the problem is spending and described the president's proposal as not serious.

"He doesn't get it," Jindal told Fox News.

The president's plan was presented as a proposal to the bipartisan "super committee" trying to find at least $1.2 trillion in deficit savings by Thanksgiving.

The plan includes more than just tax hikes. It covers $580 billion in cuts to entitlement and other federal programs, including to Medicare and Medicaid. The president also claimed $1.1 trillion in savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- a claim that has been dismissed as a budgetary gimmick in the past. If the war savings are counted alongside interest savings and the cuts Congress enacted in August, the president's plan is worth than $4 trillion over the next decade.

While Republicans slammed the proposal as divisive and unworkable, some Democrats applauded the president for asking the wealthy to pay more while shielding Medicare seniors and other entitlement program beneficiaries from more severe cutbacks.

"With the wealthiest people in this country becoming wealthier and large corporations enjoying huge profits, it is time that we end tax breaks for the wealthy and large corporations and have them pay their fair share," Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said in a statement.

"We call on Congress to immediately pass the president's proposal for job-creating investments, to ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share, to focus on the true causes of our long-term deficits, to reject any cuts to Medicaid or Social Security or Medicare benefits, and to stop scapegoating federal and postal employees and retirees for problems they did not cause," AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 12:36:07 PM »
only the fools, idiots, shills, hacks, and mini-madoffs buy in to this shit.

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 12:43:14 PM »
wealthy people who derive the majority of their income from dividends, capital gains, etc.. will pay a lower tax rate than a middle class person

people who are large salaries (W2 Wages) are paying a higher rate than lower income wage earners, but both are paying at a lower rate than they were in the 1990's (when we weren't trying pay for 3 wars, etc..)

I've made 250k + annually and I've made 100k +

I'd much rather  make 250k + and pay 2% more in a marginal tax rate then make a much lower income and pay less taxes.

In the years when I made good money it never occurred to me to stop working or work less so that I could avoid paying a few extra thousand in taxes

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2011, 12:45:49 PM »
wealthy people who derive the majority of their income from dividends, capital gains, etc.. will pay a lower tax rate than a middle class person

people who are large salaries (W2 Wages) are paying a higher rate than lower income wage earners, but both are paying at a lower rate than they were in the 1990's (when we weren't trying pay for 3 wars, etc..)

I've made 250k + annually and I've made 100k +

I'd much rather  make 250k + and pay 2% more in a marginal tax rate then make a much lower income and pay less taxes.

In the years when I made good money it never occurred to me to stop working or work less so that I could avoid paying a few extra thousand in taxes

Pure BS - Obama made a campaign speech tailor made for the hacks and littkle else 

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 12:59:18 PM »
wealthy people who derive the majority of their income from dividends, capital gains, etc.. will pay a lower tax rate than a middle class person

people who are large salaries (W2 Wages) are paying a higher rate than lower income wage earners, but both are paying at a lower rate than they were in the 1990's (when we weren't trying pay for 3 wars, etc..)

I've made 250k + annually and I've made 100k +

I'd much rather  make 250k + and pay 2% more in a marginal tax rate then make a much lower income and pay less taxes.

In the years when I made good money it never occurred to me to stop working or work less so that I could avoid paying a few extra thousand in taxes

those dividends have been taxed already at the corporate level of 35%  and now they are being taxed AGAIN at the taxpayer's individual level.  and the income that the corporation made and hence the increase in the value of their stock to which that capital gain is intrinsically tied has been taxed at 35%.  do us all a favor and leave tax policy to CPA's who specialize in tax and the IRS ok?  Please stop taking tax policy advice from owners of basketball teams and rich men who don't read their own tax returns.   I know that they're rich and you look up to them (So do I) but that doesn't make them an authority on tax policy.  My god how many times have i said that today?

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2011, 01:08:01 PM »
those dividends have been taxed already at the corporate level of 35%  and now they are being taxed AGAIN at the taxpayer's individual level.  and the income that the corporation made and hence the increase in the value of their stock to which that capital gain is intrinsically tied has been taxed at 35%.  do us all a favor and leave tax policy to CPA's who specialize in tax and the IRS ok?  Please stop taking tax policy advice from owners of basketball teams and rich men who don't read their own tax returns.   I know that they're rich and you look up to them (So do I) but that doesn't make them an authority on tax policy.  My god how many times have i said that today?

say it all you want

it doesn't change the fact that it's income to the people receiving it and they are paying a lower rate on that income than ever before and this type of income (at least at the levels we're talking about -such as Buffet) only benefit the super rich



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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2011, 01:25:10 PM »
say it all you want

it doesn't change the fact that it's income to the people receiving it and they are paying a lower rate on that income than ever before and this type of income (at least at the levels we're talking about -such as Buffet) only benefit the super rich




i'm not going into any further discussion on this because you obviously have no clue on how the tax system works.  absolutely ridiculous.

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2011, 01:32:10 PM »
it's fucking disturbing how you are sticking your head in the sand.  my god.

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2011, 01:33:07 PM »
i'm not going into any further discussion on this because you obviously have no clue on how the tax system works.  absolutely ridiculous.

LOL - fine with me

I never asked you to respond in the first place

I agree with Buffet, Cuban and Obama (to name a few)

you don't

bfd

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 01:34:40 PM »
LOL - fine with me

I never asked you to respond in the first place

I agree with Buffet, Cuban and Obama (to name a few)

you don't

bfd

and i agree with people who actually know something about tax policy. 

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 01:34:51 PM »
it's fucking disturbing how you are sticking your head in the sand.  my god.

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now you're responding to your own repsonse about how you're not going to respond to me anymore

why don't you just stop responding and leave it at that

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Re: IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes at Higher Rate Than Middle Class
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 01:36:57 PM »
and i agree with people who actually know something about tax policy. 

you agree with people who share your opinion

I agree with people who don't share your opinion