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Attorney General in Mexico: 200 Murders Result of Operation Fast and Furious
Town Hall ^ | 9//20/11 | Katie Pavlich




In a conference call this morning with Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, reporters were told the Attorney General in Mexico has confirmed at least 200 murders south of the border happened as a result of Operation Fast and Furious. Eleven crimes in the United States have been linked to Operation Fast and Furious up to this point. Issa said he expects as the investigation in the operation continues, more crimes connected to Fast and Furious will come to light and be exposed. This is not surprising, considering out of 2500 weapons the Obama Justice Department allowed to “walk,” and that only 600 have been recovered, the rest are lost until they show up at violent crime scenes. The damage from Operation Fast and Furious has only started to be seen. Remember, the Mexican Government and ATF agents working in Mexico were left completely in the dark about the operation.

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A new report released by Issa’s office shows ATF agents working in Mexico were left in the dark about the details of Operation Fast and Furious. The report shows that in late 2009, ATF officials in Mexico began to see increasing amounts of guns traced to the Phoenix ATF Field Division office showing up at violent crime scenes. Former ATF Attaché to Mexico Darren Gil and ATF Acting Attaché to Mexico Carlos Canino expressed their concerns to officials in the Phoenix Field Office and in Washington D.C. but were ignored. The report shows ATF and DOJ “failed to share crucial details of the of Operation Fast and Furious with either their own employees stationed in Mexico or representatives of the Government of Mexico.” Specifically, personnel in Arizona denied ATF agents working in Mexico information directly related to their jobs and everyday operations.

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 12:35:03 PM »
Bump for team Kenya! 

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2014, 05:45:08 AM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-judge-reopens-fast-and-furious-controversy



A federal judge on Wednesday ordered the Justice Department to provide Congress with documents related to the "Fast and Furious" gunwalking scandal, opening a new front in a controversy that has dogged President Obama's administration since 2010.

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson gave the department until Oct. 1 to hand the documents over to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which has been probing the issue for almost four years, according to the Associated Press.







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What is "Fast and Furious?"


 
The scandal deals with a controversial practice known as "gunwalking," in which federal agents allow illegally purchased weapons to flow to high-volume arms dealers in an attempt to identify and track their whereabouts. The practice is prohibited by the Justice Department, but the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives made use of it at the end of George W. Bush's administration and the beginning of Mr. Obama's as part of an operation known as "Fast and Furious."

During the operation, federal agents lost control of roughly 2,000 weapons, and that blunder snowballed into a full-blown scandal in December 2010 when two of the weapons were found at the scene of the killing of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in Arizona.

The administration has previously declined to turn over the documents, and the president has invoked executive privilege to keep them confidential. The standoff even led the Republican-led House to vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress in 2012.







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House votes to hold Holder in contempt of Congress


 
Lawmakers on the House Oversight panel said the new documents could shed some light on why it took the Justice Department nearly a year to acknowledge that federal agents took part in gunwalking.

In February 2011, the department told Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, that ATF "makes every effort" to intercept illegally purchased weapons and prevent them from reaching the hands of Mexican drug cartels. A subsequent letter in May that year reiterated that point, but in December, the department withdrew its initial letter of denial.

Committee chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said the documents requested "will bring us closer to finding out why the Justice Department hid behind false denials in the wake of reckless conduct that contributed to the violent deaths of border patrol agent Brian Terry and countless Mexican citizens."

The administration, though, has said turning over the documents could undermine the separation of powers, setting a dangerous precedent that only executive branch communications at the presidential level are not subject to congressional oversight.
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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2014, 06:03:51 AM »
Not all deaths by firearms are equal, some are more important than others...


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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2014, 06:10:29 AM »
Bump for Team "We shouldn't impeach obama, no matter how many dead bodies caused by F&F, because we might gain a few House seats!"

imagine if washington had surrendered to the British in exchange for a bigger share of tax $.
imagine if FDR had surrendered to Hitler on the agreement he gives the USA half of France.

Imagine Republicans looking at 200 dead bodies from those F&F guns, and thinking this is truly okay because we could lose a House race in Minnesota if voters there sympathize with obama and his free gun export program.

Seriously, it's time for you repubs to reconsider this non-impeach issue. 

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2014, 06:12:50 AM »
Bump for Team "We shouldn't impeach obama, no matter how many dead bodies caused by F&F, because we might gain a few House seats!"

imagine if washington had surrendered to the British in exchange for a bigger share of tax $.
imagine if FDR had surrendered to Hitler on the agreement he gives the USA half of France.

Imagine Republicans looking at 200 dead bodies from those F&F guns, and thinking this is truly okay because we could lose a House race in Minnesota if voters there sympathize with obama and his free gun export program.

Seriously, it's time for you repubs to reconsider this non-impeach issue. 

I agree with you now.  Let the chips fall where they may.   

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2014, 06:15:35 AM »
I agree with you now.  Let the chips fall where they may.   

AWESOME!   Let's get Coach back on board too!

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2014, 06:20:38 AM »
In a conference call this morning with Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, reporters were told the Attorney General in Mexico has confirmed at least 200 murders south of the border happened as a result of Operation Fast and Furious. Eleven crimes in the United States have been linked to Operation Fast and Furious up to this point. Issa said he expects as the investigation in the operation continues, more crimes connected to Fast and Furious will come to light and be exposed. This is not surprising, considering out of 2500 weapons the Obama Justice Department allowed to “walk,” and that only 600 have been recovered, the rest are lost until they show up at violent crime scenes. The damage from Operation Fast and Furious has only started to be seen. Remember, the Mexican Government and ATF agents working in Mexico were left completely in the dark about the operation.

200 bodies... that's a horrible and incredible number.  That means 1 in 10 of the guns has been KNOWN to kill someone.  These aren't guns going to collectors or police or whatever.  If they can PROVE 10% of the guns killed people, imagine what the actual number is, given the number of unsolved cases, or bodies never found.

It's unreal to realize how much of a major impact this F&F program had upon people in both countries.  This wasn't a duffel back of revolvers... this was ten pallets' worth of AK-47s, glocks, and other high powered, high end firearms.

F&F might as well have been Iran-contra of this presidency.  At the time, it was just a number of guns missing.  years later, the ramifications are clearer now.  Shocking.  200 KNOWN murders...

Issa needs to stop sitting on FOX news complaining, and start filing indictments.   Dems are willing to force indictment of Rick perry for firing a drunk... but with 200 dead bodies (including americans), repubs won't indict obama.  Even if he hides, covers up... just tell the american people with an indictment... people around obama will un-delete and leak things, they always do when pressure comes.

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2014, 06:27:14 AM »
AWESOME!   Let's get Coach back on board too!

Impeachment proceedings funded by Biden.   :D

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 06:28:12 AM »
Fast and Furious is something people should be upset about.  It's Iran/Contra all over again.
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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 07:24:43 AM »
AWESOME!   Let's get Coach back on board too!

Impeachment is a slap on the wrist. What's the punishment fur treason again?

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2014, 08:09:53 AM »
Impeachment proceedings funded by Biden.   :D

I am on both the dem & repub mailing lists from 2008 campaigns.

Dems are mailing a "sign petition to force boehnner agree to no-impeach, take it off the table".
They're worried.

And there's a bunch of tea party groups with petitions with hundreds of thousands of signature to YES IMPEACH.

All that talk about "Only the dems want impeachment, repubs never said that!" was short-lived crap, it was literally crap, form Rush and reince priebus.  

The backlash has been crazy.  Repubs are sick of this shit.  Dems are nervous.  It is great to see conservatives DEFY Limbaugh and FOX news, it's really great.  Rush has zero credibility, IMO.  He is definitely carrying water for RNC now, nobody here can deny it.  Rush taking impeachment off the table, that was beyond sad.  

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2014, 02:33:34 PM »
what's the status on the impeachment and what's Holder doing since he was fired from his position?

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2014, 02:35:40 PM »
what's the status on the impeachment and what's Holder doing since he was fired from his position?

Holder will never be fired by Obama since Holder is the keeper of the secrets and scandals for Obama. 

As for uimpeachment - the GOP are too pussy to do it and the dems are worthless

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2014, 02:36:52 PM »
Holder will never be fired by Obama since Holder is the keeper of the secrets and scandals for Obama. 

As for uimpeachment - the GOP are too pussy to do it and the dems are worthless
So 437 threads about Fast and Furious and you achieved what exactly?

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2014, 02:38:58 PM »
So 437 threads about Fast and Furious and you achieved what exactly?

The info is out there - whether you still want to support this corrupt scumbag admn - that's on you.  Cops covering for other corrupt worthless cops like Holder and the ATF?  no surprise to the rest of us 

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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2014, 02:42:05 PM »
The info is out there - whether you still want to support this corrupt scumbag admn - that's on you.  Cops covering for other corrupt worthless cops like Holder and the ATF?  no surprise to the rest of us 

probably as surprising as a civilian jumping to a false conclusion without caring about the facts...

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2014, 02:45:38 PM »
probably as surprising as a civilian jumping to a false conclusion without caring about the facts...

 ::) 

300 dead Mexicans, a dead agent, 1500 lost guns, lies from the ATF, etc - yeah lets talk about facts in this case.    ::)

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2014, 02:47:54 PM »
::) 

300 dead Mexicans, a dead agent, 1500 lost guns, lies from the ATF, etc - yeah lets talk about facts in this case.    ::)

yeah..it's messed up. Heads shoulda rolled

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2014, 05:56:14 AM »
So 437 threads about Fast and Furious and you achieved what exactly?

Whining and predictions of impeachment, treason, deportation of Obama have petered out into what everyone else knew all along.  Not a damn thing was going to happen to Obama because Republicans are a bunch of pussy whipped sissies.

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2014, 06:00:04 AM »
Whining and predictions of impeachment, treason, deportation of Obama have petered out into what everyone else knew all along.  Not a damn thing was going to happen to Obama because Republicans are a bunch of pussy whipped sissies.

True that the GOP are worthless

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2014, 06:14:15 AM »
what's the status on the impeachment and what's Holder doing since he was fired from his position?

1/3 of Americans support it... But Rush, Reince, and their idiot followers believe it's better to give Obama 28 more months of destruction, than to actually hold him accountable for his crimes... because they haev an unfounded belief it'll help with midterm eleections.

Those who will trade justice for political gain... deserve neither. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2014, 02:08:36 PM »
Posted on September 25, 2014 at 4:14:42 PM EDT by Enlightened1

A federal judge earlier this week ruled that the Justice Department will have to begin submitting documents next month related to the botched Fast and Furious gun operation in a case brought by Judicial Watch.

“I don’t think it’s any coincidence he’s resigning as the courts are ruling the Fast and Furious information has to be released,”

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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2014, 01:46:34 PM »
BREAKING: Judicial Watch Obtains List of Fast and Furious Documents
Townhall.com ^  | October 23, 2014 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on ‎10‎/‎23‎/‎2014‎ ‎4‎:‎37‎:‎56‎ ‎PM by Kaslin



Late last night the Department of Justice complied with a court order and turned over a list to government watchdog Judicial Watch , known as a Vaughn Index, of Fast and Furious documents being held from Congress and the American people under President Obama's assertion of executive privilege. Not surprisingly, DOJ failed to fully comply with the requirements of providing a Vaughn Index.

The Vaughn index explains 15,662 documents. Typically, a Vaughn index must: (1) identify each record withheld; (2) state the statutory exemption claimed; and (3) explain how disclosure would damage the interests protected by the claimed exemption. The Vaughn index arguably fails to provide all of this required information but does provide plenty of interesting information for a public kept in the dark for years about the Fast and Furious scandal.


Regardless, the list of documents shows Obama asserted executive privilege to protect Attorney General Eric Holder's wife and to protect information showing Holder helped to craft talking points during the fallout of the scandal. What a preliminary review of Vaughn Index by Judicial Watch shows:

Numerous emails that detail Attorney General Holder’s direct involvement in crafting talking points, the timing of public disclosures, and handling Congressional inquiries in the Fast and Furious matter.

President Obama has asserted executive privilege over nearly 20 email communications between Holder and his spouse Sharon Malone. The administration also claims that the records are also subject to withholding under the “deliberative process” exemption. This exemption ordinarily exempts from public disclosure records that could chill internal government deliberations.

Numerous entries detail DOJ’s communications (including those of Eric Holder) concerning the White House about Fast and Furious.

The scandal required the attention of virtually every top official of the DOJ and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Communications to and from the United States Ambassador to Mexico about the Fast and Furious matter are also described.

Many of the records are already publicly available such as letters from Congress, press clips, and typical agency communications. Ordinarily, these records would, in whole or part, be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. Few of the records seem to even implicate presidential decision-making and advice that might be subject to President Obama’s broad and unprecedented executive privilege claim.





Keep in mind the White House has denied any involvement with Operation Fast and Furious when it was active between 2009 and 2010. The documents described in this list indicate otherwise. Further, former White House National Security Advisor Kevin O'Reilly was in contact with former ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division William Newell about the details of the operation. Previous reporting shows at least three White House officials were aware of or involved in the operation despite denials after Congressional inquiries about the scandal.

The emails Judicial Watch describes as showing Holder being directly involved "in crafting talking points, the timing of public disclosures, and handling Congressional inquiries in the Fast and Furious matter" only further solidify his role in the cover-up of the operation. As for Holder's wife Sharon Malone being involved, this is the first time her name has come up throughout the course of the Fast and Furious scandal. His mother hasn't been mentioned before, either.

Notably, the document discloses that emails between Attorney General Holder and his wife Sharon Malone – as well as his mother – are being withheld under an extraordinary claim of executive privilege as well as a dubious claim of deliberative process privilege under the Freedom of Information Act. The “First Lady of the Justice Department” is a physician and not a government employee.


“This document provides key information about the cover-up of Fast and Furious by Attorney General Eric Holder and other high-level officials of the Obama administration. Obama’s executive privilege claims over these records are a fraud and an abuse of his office. There is no precedent for President Obama’s Nixonian assertion of executive privilege over these ordinary government agency records. Americans will be astonished that Obama asserted executive privilege over Eric Holder’s emails to his wife about Fast and Furious," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement. “Once again, Judicial Watch has proven itself more effective than Congress and the establishment media in providing basic oversight of this out-of-control Administration. This Fast and Furious document provides dozens of leads for further congressional, media, and even criminal investigations.”


This is the list of Fast and Furious documents Obama is hiding from you. pic.twitter.com/R3XClIESDk— Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) October 23, 2014

After more than a year of stonewalling and a lawsuit from Judicial Watch, DOJ attorneys asked for an extension until November 3, the day before the midterm elections, to turn of the list explaining more than 15,000 documents. That request was denied.

President Obama asserted executive privilege over thousands of Fast and Furious documents just moments before Holder was held in contempt of Congress by the House Oversight Committee in June 2012. That same month, Republicans and Democrats in the House voted Holder in civil and criminal contempt of Congress. Holder is the first sitting cabinet member in U.S. history to be held in contempt of Congress. After six years at the Department of Justice, Holder submitted his resignation to President Obama in September, but will stay in his position until a new Attorney General is confirmed after the midterm elections.



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Re: 200 Murders so far linked to Obama/Holders' Fast n Furious scandal.
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2014, 09:09:40 PM »
fucking impeach.   what the fck.


people are NOT going to pity obama/dems when they see pics of 200 dead bodies that these guns sponsored.  Can't yall see that?  Nobody is going to look at obama/holder handing off these guns to kill innocenents and say "let's vote for this dude, seems like repubs are just picking on him!"

if anything, his anti-gun base is going to be all whiny about him handing out guns,and "what about the children", etc.   I'd think that handing out guns would hurt a dem a lot more than repubs, with the base.... cause repubs actually like guns.


But hey, reince priebus has done such an amazing job getting romney elected, let's take his word on impeachment, that undecided voters look at pics of 200 dead people and feel sorry for the guy that supplied the guns that led to their death.  Sheesh.