The SPEED OF LIGHT may have been broken.

[tbombz]

Even the concept of time which is seen as a rather concrete concept is now is some wierd gray area.

the leading scientists today dont believe time exists at all. 

[Mr. Magoo]

if time travel were to ever exist we would all already know about it.  think about it.  

wrong

see: http://www.amazon.com/Time-Travel-Einsteins-Universe-Possibilities/dp/B003L1ZYKG/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316735896&sr=1-1

[Xerxes]

the leading scientists today dont believe time exists at all.  

Any links?

I know you've done shrooms and shit before, I always felt like time is such a meaningless concept when I was shrooming, did you too?

[Mr. Magoo]

the leading scientists today dont believe time exists at all. 

wrong again

you're trying to oversimplify

time exists, its just what exactly time is, is what's confusing. It's confusing but that doesn't mean they deny it's existence.

[MikMaq]

wrong again

you're trying to oversimplify

time exists, its just what exactly time is, is what's confusing. It's confusing but that doesn't mean they deny it's existence.

Well this is the shit that nobody really knows but it's usually considered whatever time is be it a dimension or whatever, it's fairly consistent in the last 14 billions years.

[xpac2]

Time doesnt exists you morons its a human concept. Do you think time exists to a rock?

Stupid meatheads

[Hulkotron]

I think most physicists consider the universe to be 11-dimensional at the moment

[doison]

I think most physicists consider the universe to be 11-dimensional at the moment

Very few consider this true.  
Those that do only care that additional "dimensions" lead to a lot of very interesting things when they're used to model the world of high energy physics.


The word "dimension" means something very different to the average person than what it does to physicists and mathematicians when viewing it in regards to things like manifolds, compactification, Calabi Yau, AdS, CFT, gauge/connection, degrees of freedom, etc.  

If you make the discovery that the exterior derivative of a uniquely defined two-form vanishes, the exterior derivative of its Hodge dual vanishes, and the initial two form is described as the exterior derivative of a very important "potential," you piss your pants and open your LaTeX file to start typing....whatever number "n" ends up being the orientation of your volume element.  

[gcb]

possibly this means that the limit is not the speed of light but the speed of neutrinos, or will we find particles that go even faster - interesting never the less.

[basil]

So, will this have an impact on the anti-gravity suit you've been working on?  How's that going btw?

[Nirvana]

they sent us ronnie coleman

[suckmymuscle]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/22/science-light-idUSL5E7KM4CW20110922

UPDATE 1-Particles found to break speed of light



Wed, Sep 21 2011

By Robert Evans

GENEVA, Sept 22 (Reuters) - An international team of scientists said on Thursday they had recorded sub-atomic particles travelling faster than light -- a finding that could overturn one of Einstein's long-accepted fundamental laws of the universe.

Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the researchers, told Reuters that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light would have done.

"We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing," he said. "We now want colleagues to check them independently."

If confirmed, the discovery would undermine Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity, which says that the speed of light is a "cosmic constant" and that nothing in the universe can travel faster.

That assertion, which has withstood over a century of testing, is one of the key elements of the so-called Standard Model of physics, which attempts to describe the way the universe and everything in it works.

The totally unexpected finding emerged from research by a physicists working on an experiment dubbed OPERA run jointly by the CERN particle research centre near Geneva and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in central Italy.

A total of 15,000 beams of neutrinos -- tiny particles that pervade the cosmos -- were fired over a period of 3 years from CERN towards Gran Sasso 730 (500 miles) km away, where they were picked up by giant detectors.

Light would have covered the distance in around 2.4 thousandths of a second, but the neutrinos took 60 nanoseconds -- or 60 billionths of a second -- less than light beams would have taken.

"It is a tiny difference," said Ereditato, who also works at Berne University in Switzerland, "but conceptually it is incredibly important. The finding is so startling that, for the moment, everybody should be very prudent."

Ereditato declined to speculate on what it might mean if other physicists, who will be officially informed of the discovery at a meeting in CERN on Friday, found that OPERA's measurements were correct.

"I just don't want to think of the implications," he told Reuters. "We are scientists and work with what we know."

Much science-fiction literature is based on the idea that, if the light-speed barrier can be overcome, time travel might theoretically become possible.

The existence of the neutrino, an elementary sub-atomic particle with a tiny amount of mass created in radioactive decay or in nuclear reactions such as those in the Sun, was first confirmed in 1934, but it still mystifies researchers.

It can pass through most matter undetected, even over long distances, and without being affected. Millions pass through the human body every day, scientists say.

To reach Gran Sasso, the neutrinos pushed out from a special installation at CERN -- also home to the Large Hadron Collider probing the origins of the universe -- have to pass through water, air and rock.

The underground Italian laboratory, some 120 km (75 miles) to the south of Rome, is the largest of its type in the world for particle physics and cosmic research.

Around 750 scientists from 22 different countries work there, attracted by the possibility of staging experiments in its three massive halls, protected from cosmic rays by some 1,400 metres (4,200 feet) of rock overhead.

(Reporting by Robert Evans; Editing by Tom Miles and Kevin Liffey)

  Completely irrelevant in practical terms. Unless the speed of light can be surpassed by a billion fold, it means nothing as far as interstellar travel is concerned and that is all that matters to me when it comes to the issue "speed of light".

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Parker]

earth might have been TERRAFORMED by our creators, thus making life possible. Dates are misunderstandings. We know very very few about our past, that's a fact.




The three only real "hard" sciences are maths, chemy, and physics. Everything else, paleontology, anthropology etc are just theories. And without faith, a soul, namely our capacity to anticipate future and learn from our past we would still be animals, all these "human" capabilities are generated by our prefrontal lobes and neo cortex no other animal specie on earth has.

It's been said that Man has risen and fallen many times...Atlantis and it's sister city, etc. The Sphynx being older than 5,000 yrs.

[mossel]

[pellius]

What does this mean for time travel?

Means I can go back in time and kill Apenis' mom before she was impregnated with his father's demon seed.

Hmm, maybe my disturbing online pursuit of the lovely Jeezebelle isn't such a loss cause after all. 

[Natural Man]

It's been said that Man has risen and fallen many times...Atlantis and it's sister city, etc. The Sphynx being older than 5,000 yrs.

and in all of these civilizations that have been "resetted" or anihilated completely in a way or another, you find traces of extra terrestrial "fathers" and "mothers".

[jr]

[El Diablo Blanco]

Tesla never believed Einstein's theory about the speed of light.  I don't blame him. Most of what humans measure today is not fact but theories, ideas that they can't really prove but most of all can't disprove.

As for time.  What is time?  Time is a man made concept.  Time is not a measure in nature, it is a measure we as humans used as a measure.

Why Einstein was so hung up on the speed of light being the fastest is beyond me.

As for time travel.   lol.  Lots of fantasy thinking. What has happened is done and what hasn't happened won't happen until it does.  The day humans can time travel which will never happen, but the day they do, the entire fabric of society will unravel and everything we know will cease to exist.


Gh15 does have a point about Pharma, but also should group Banks into the fold of those that truly run the world.

[Swede!]

Tesla never believed Einstein's theory about the speed of light.

Tesla never got any credit.

Should have died a wealthy happy man but didn't.

[lovemonkey]

Tesla never believed Einstein's theory about the speed of light.  I don't blame him. Most of what humans measure today is not fact but theories, ideas that they can't really prove but most of all can't disprove.

As for time.  What is time?  Time is a man made concept.  Time is not a measure in nature, it is a measure we as humans used as a measure.

Why Einstein was so hung up on the speed of light being the fastest is beyond me.

As for time travel.   lol.  Lots of fantasy thinking. What has happened is done and what hasn't happened won't happen until it does.  The day humans can time travel which will never happen, but the day they do, the entire fabric of society will unravel and everything we know will cease to exist.


Gh15 does have a point about Pharma, but also should group Banks into the fold of those that truly run the world.

Tesla was never really well educated when it came to theoretical physics. He was extremely good at what he was doing, which was electrical engineering. Two different things.

Einstein's theory has held up extremely well and is still true to pretty much anything that is relevant to us today. This discovery have yet to undergo scientific scrutiny.

You're very quick to jump on to the conspiracy bandwagon... people are fucking lunatics these days.

[lovemonkey]

Tesla never got any credit.

Should have died a wealthy happy man but didn't.

He wouldn't know what to do with wealth even if he had it. The man was a social outcast whose prime joy in life was to work in his laboratory.

[Swede!]

He wouldn't know what to do with wealth even if he had it. The man was a social outcast whose prime joy in life was to work in his laboratory.

Maybe go to the clubs and burn it like mayweather.

So why couldn't he have spent his money on lets say   .......His prime joy in life? How/why do you come to the conclusion that because of being a "social outcast" he wouldn't know what to do with money?

[bradistani]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/22/science-light-idUSL5E7KM4CW20110922

UPDATE 1-Particles found to break speed of light



Wed, Sep 21 2011

what are the implications here for mankind?/

[Swede!]

what are the implications here for mankind?/

Phil winning Mr O?

[lovemonkey]

Maybe go to the clubs and burn it like mayweather.

So why couldn't he have spent his money on lets say   .......His prime joy in life? How/why do you come to the conclusion that because of being a "social outcast" he wouldn't know what to do with money?

He had plenty opportunities to make a disgusting amount of money but turned them down/didn't care. He was never good with money to begin with and really didn't plan ahead when it came to financing his own experiments. Luckily for him he had sponsors most of the time. But towards the later part of his "career" he was flat out broke and no one gave a shit.

Have you ever read any books or do you only watch documentaries that only tell 1/5 of the story?