From his thread over on Pro Muscle..
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/51757-im-going-kick-myself-doing.htmlQuote:
"I've been really busy lately with so many things but after looking over this board and a few others that I frequent I have to ask why so many guys stay on for the better part of the year? Why do so many guys believe that the key to getting big comes in the form of drugs? This is not a rant but a serious question. Why is it that in most of the threads where I read about a guy that has been on for a very long time or is taking very high dosages is TYPICALLYwritten by a guy who isn't that big? This website easily has some of the best athletes in the world on it and I feel safe in assuming that MOST of these guys spend a good amount of time growing naturally or at the very least on Dr prescribed dosages of HRT. Why can't some guys understand that success in this sport is about a hell of a lot more than the amount of gear you use or how long you are using. I don't like to bring up names but i know for a fact that a guy who has placed in the top five at the USA's as a SHW who used to be a member of this board would spend his entire offseason clean. He used food, rest, and smart training to grow while also giving his body a break from any anabolics.
Am I the only one who believes that you can continue to grow while being clean for the better part of the year? I really want to hear some peoples opinions on the matter so please explain why you feel that I am either correct or a complete idiot."
"I may have been a bit poor at explaining my thoughts throughout the thread but I am going to take my time and do so now. My point is that I believe that the best way to put on muscle year in and year out while also taking care of your health and making sure that you can still have children at some point in life is to be on for no more than half of a year. I know for a fact that I could take a guy with good genes to over 300 lbs while only being on for half of the year or less and never having him take more than 800-1000mg of test per week while on and a combined total of all anabolics never going above 1500mg per. I also know that I could get this guy to these marks without EVER letting him run GH, Insulin, or IGF-1. Now, during his off time I would have him cycle down with HCG, Clomid, and an anti e if needed. He would run 200mg of Dr Prescribed test for about a month before taking him down to no super supplements. Yes, the HCG would still play a roll while off.
Now that he is completely off he would drop some weight (10-15lbs if he was eating clean enough while on) and then stabilize. At this point he would rely completely on nutrition, training, and rest to start taking his muscle mass back up the ladder. As he would continue to train naturally he would begin to gain that 10-15lbs back but this time it would be more solid tissue and less water. His diet would need to be perfect and he would need to pay very close attention to his recovery knowing full well that he is back to being human. The attention to detail would need to be nearly perfect with weakly pictures, measurements, bodyfat testing, and watching his log book climb back to where it was while on. Now, he may never gain all of that weight back but he will be climbing back up in weight/muscle mass while off. Once he goes back on for a very short blast he will be doing so well with nutrition, training, rest, etc.. he will once again gain at a more rapid rate while combining these attributes with his base anabolics. After going back off this guy would stay clear of all anabolics until ramping up for his show.
I want to once again point out that this is an example of what I would do to get a guy with good genes as big as possible without making his wife who wants to be a Mommy kill me assuming I had an entire year before he would be competing. After a few years this guy with good genes would go from about 215 lbs natural to over 300 lbs all while never touching the more advanced supplements that so many of you think he must have used. I would tell this guy if you are still advancing without the use of GH, Slin, IGF, etc.. why not leave some tricks in the bag for when you need them. You see, the way I see it if you are using crazy doses and every drug out there to win a regional show what are you going to change to win a national show? Or if you had to use all of these crazy doses to win a National show what are you going to do to make the giant leap needed to compete at the pro level? Leave some tricks in the bag for when you need them.
Bottom line this is how I know I could get a guy to over 300 lbs with a good physique and lots of tricks still in the bag to keep that physique getting better. My guy would be following a very similiar plan and would shock some people once he did bring in a little higher doses, GH, and slin."
Dusty