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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2011, 03:57:26 PM »
What if i do 1500ui for 10 days?  8) Sounds too much eh?  :-\  ???

Might help out a little but it might be a little overkill...hard to say. But I doubt it would hurt anything.

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2011, 01:36:56 PM »
yep, was 1000 iu ed...... as far as im concerned it did help, after the initial weight loss, i maintained my size easily, im sure youl be the same

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2011, 03:36:10 PM »
Might help out a little but it might be a little overkill...hard to say. But I doubt it would hurt anything.

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2011, 11:19:05 PM »
Thank you guys, im going to try this protocol. in about 4 days im starting.  8)

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2011, 08:46:33 AM »
I feel like my brother died. Or told us he was gay. Say it ain't so, Meso  :'(

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2011, 09:32:15 AM »
I feel like my brother died. Or told us he was gay. Say it ain't so, Meso  :'(
;D ;D

Man, im broke as hell right now...cant afford it.

Sorry for letting you down big guy.. :'(  ;D  :'(  :-\

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2011, 09:59:41 AM »
Dude I told you I'd send you some bottles LOL.

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2011, 11:55:04 AM »
What would you guys use after hcg, clomid or nolva?  ??? :-\ what are the differences between those two and your personal experiences..  :)

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2011, 11:57:06 AM »
i prefer nolva.......... ive used both and ust think nolva does the job better, just my personal preference

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2011, 03:20:08 PM »
i prefer nolva.......... ive used both and ust think nolva does the job better, just my personal preference

What about both? Best results I ever had was 100mg clomid for the first week and then 50mg ed for 3-5 weeks. I was using some tribulus and a some creatine. I actually kept a lot of my gains. I was using 50mcg of igf-1 bilaterrly. That really helped me keep a pump. Before workout I had a carbo force with a scoop of protien blended in very delicious!

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2011, 01:45:12 AM »
Guys I missed a day of pregnyl did 3 days 1500 ui but missed yesterday I was out of syringes and it was midnight too sleepy to go out and find. lol. I hope it wont hurt that i missed a day right?  :-\ :-X

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2011, 09:45:54 AM »
If you come off and nothing works, make sure you have an AI and a DA on hand to deal with any estrogen/prolactin issues that might be keeping you shutdown.

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2011, 09:46:56 AM »
Guys I missed a day of pregnyl did 3 days 1500 ui but missed yesterday I was out of syringes and it was midnight too sleepy to go out and find. lol. I hope it wont hurt that i missed a day right?  :-\ :-X

1500 iu is too much bro... so no, it won't hurt you. 250iu to 350iu twice weekly is a good protocol that's less likely to overstimulate your Leydigs

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2011, 09:51:22 AM »
Guys I missed a day of pregnyl did 3 days 1500 ui but missed yesterday I was out of syringes and it was midnight too sleepy to go out and find. lol. I hope it wont hurt that i missed a day right?  :-\ :-X

You'll be fine. Just pick up where you left off.

1500 iu is too much bro... so no, it won't hurt you. 250iu to 350iu twice weekly is a good protocol that's less likely to overstimulate your Leydigs

He's in his PCT period, he's not on-cycle. 250-350 isn't going to do anything for him at this stage and 10-12 days at 1,500 (although 1,000iu is all that's necessary IMO) won't do any damage.

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2011, 01:06:06 PM »
You'll be fine. Just pick up where you left off.

He's in his PCT period, he's not on-cycle. 250-350 isn't going to do anything for him at this stage and 10-12 days at 1,500 (although 1,000iu is all that's necessary IMO) won't do any damage.
At what dosages are we talking about real damage?

Thank you guys.  :)

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2011, 09:00:35 PM »
At what dosages are we talking about real damage?

Thank you guys.  :)

You start getting into the 20+ day use with high doses during PCT you could start doing some damage.

A lot of guys, more than realize actually do more damage to the HPTA during the actual cycle HCG than they realize when they rely on it for month and months on end year after year.

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2011, 11:37:14 PM »
You start getting into the 20+ day use with high doses during PCT you could start doing some damage.

A lot of guys, more than realize actually do more damage to the HPTA during the actual cycle HCG than they realize when they rely on it for month and months on end year after year.
What would you prefer afterwards? clomid or nolva?  :)

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2011, 12:36:44 AM »
Why are you going off for broham ? Money etc ? or just want a break ?

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2011, 01:06:16 AM »
Why are you going off for broham ? Money etc ? or just want a break ?
Money man... money, school, gf, some legal issues I have. Cant even eat as I would like to.

Its just doent worth it...and If I did continue cycling cant do anything else besides test..cant afford anything else right now..so with only test its pointless.

Im gonna take a break and hope to be financial better in the future to do a 1 yr blast...sometime..

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2011, 02:10:02 AM »
What would you prefer afterwards? clomid or nolva?  :)

Either will work just as well if you dose them right. Most guys don't run enough Clomid when they use it that. For example, 40mg of Nolva, to equal that in Clomid you'd need around 150mg. Again, for PCT purposes one is just as good as the other.


Money man... money, school, gf, some legal issues I have. Cant even eat as I would like to.

Its just doent worth it...and If I did continue cycling cant do anything else besides test..cant afford anything else right now..so with only test its pointless.

Im gonna take a break and hope to be financial better in the future to do a 1 yr blast...sometime..

If you're going to come off of everything for awhile you're doing the right thing running a PCT. It won't recover you outright, but it will improve the total recovery time and hopefully help you avoid a major crash. Once PCT has is complete and a few wks pass your test levels will more than likely dip down a little, but with a good PCT plan in your rear view mirror they shouldn't dip nearly as low as they would have without and you should have enough natural testosterone production for your body to function properly. Granted, it will still be lower than what's optimal but it should be high enough for proper function and should continue to increase.

As far as nothing but test...you might be surprised what a difference a low dose of test makes compared to nothing at all. If you were to stay off completely for a long time and then started running a TRT level of test, say 200mg every 7-10 days, you'd be pretty surprised in the difference.

People often make light of TRT doses when they become used to full blown cycles....I used to be one of them. But 18months of nothing and then a TRT script, that script is one of the most valuable things I own.

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2011, 02:29:32 AM »
Either will work just as well if you dose them right. Most guys don't run enough Clomid when they use it that. For example, 40mg of Nolva, to equal that in Clomid you'd need around 150mg. Again, for PCT purposes one is just as good as the other.


If you're going to come off of everything for awhile you're doing the right thing running a PCT. It won't recover you outright, but it will improve the total recovery time and hopefully help you avoid a major crash. Once PCT has is complete and a few wks pass your test levels will more than likely dip down a little, but with a good PCT plan in your rear view mirror they shouldn't dip nearly as low as they would have without and you should have enough natural testosterone production for your body to function properly. Granted, it will still be lower than what's optimal but it should be high enough for proper function and should continue to increase.

As far as nothing but test...you might be surprised what a difference a low dose of test makes compared to nothing at all. If you were to stay off completely for a long time and then started running a TRT level of test, say 200mg every 7-10 days, you'd be pretty surprised in the difference.

People often make light of TRT doses when they become used to full blown cycles....I used to be one of them. But 18months of nothing and then a TRT script, that script is one of the most valuable things I own.
What are the differences between nolva and clomid? Ive always used them "just because" I had read a pct plan or something, never ever did I researched them by myself.

Also, what would you recommend as a test booster? some guys above mentioned d-aspartic acid.

As far as TRT goes, im like 23-24 cant stand the thought I would be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life, at least not that early..

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2011, 08:51:12 AM »
I have not heard anybody mention DHEA. I think DHEA is one of the most overlooked pct items. you really only need 5 shots of 1,500 IU's of HCG maybe 10shots for you since you have been on for so long. I personally use HCG 1,500 HCG 4 -5  shots one EOD then I use both novla and clomid. nolva fucks with my vision for some reason makes me a tad dizzy at times. my eyes get a little blurry but that was mainly on some crappy IBE liquid nolva.

I use pharmacy tabs now both with the nolva and clomid. clomid is real important-IMO. they made my testes come back to life. I hate to say it but my testes did shrink! but the clomid brought them back to full size. clomid is a great PCT drug. I would run it over nolva anyday but it is good to use some nolva some guys use it for a month. 1st week- 20mg, 2nd week-30mg 3rd week 40mg 4th week 40mg. now the tabs I get are 20mg so taking 30mg I have to split them . most of these guys who suggest using it in that fashion use the liquid stuff sold by IBE or other reserach companys I don't think IBE is even around anymore. Now of days I just stick to 20mg nolva for just a few weeks.and take 100mg clomid for a few weeks. then I start using DHEA and tribex

 some people dont believe in herbal supplements and some do. I think they work and it stacks good with DHEA. I think a good natural stack is trib and DHEA. both are super cheap. DHEA changes some peoples lives. usually older people but it is a great PCT choice-IMO. I dont know why you guys stay on so long? I get my gains in the first month always pick-up about 20 pounds within the first 4 weeks then just continue the cycle for another 4 weeks to get strength gains and gives me time to introduce my cutting drugs before I come off.. A 8 week blitz cycle can work great if you know how to run them right.

 Author L.Rea wrote a book called building the perfect beast and he preaches alot about blitz cycles. this way you can recover quickly not fuck up your HPTA to bad and can cycle again within a few months if you want. Now if you are shooting to be a Pro it is diffrent you have to run gear at least 10 months out of the year. HGH all year. but when  a pro comes off for a few months they always continue HGH and usually the HCG,novla and clomid,DHEA. I got my PCT from a powerlifter who is a olympic power-lifter and I can list his exact PCT. but he was the one who turned me on to DHEA. when you buy DHEA or a good trib product buy it at whole foods somewhere that buy very high quality  products. they do not sell crap. and DHEA is cheap! so is a good trbulus. but I would definatey use these two compounds after your HCG and clomid and nolva.Like I already said I just don't get it? why go on for so long? unless you are doing shows or are a pro.


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blitz cycle theory is to megadose for 8 weeks and you will get the same gains as you would from a &guy cycle and you can recover without doing to much damage to the HPTA
and can go back on fairly quickly if you want to. this theory I think is more for gymrats but this is what I do. even my next cycle where I was planning on running for alot longer I might just change it to a blitz cycle I will bulk for 4 weeks then use my cutting drugs for 4 weeks, I like this approach because I get all my gains after 4-5 weeks and then just use the gear for strength after 8 weeks I then get into PCT. after the HCG,Nolva and clomid. I can keep some size just using DHEA,Trib and usually I use Vitargo CGL. It is a good creatine blend with vitargo(waixy starch maize) it really does give you some strength. I can tell. this creatine you have to load for 5 days meaning 2 drinks a day and then after that 1 drink a day. But I am not bullshitting it is not a garbage product. It will help you keep your gains. also HGH is the best choice to use for your PCT if you want to keep your gains. sounds like cash is an issue. Since I do not compete I only run 1 cycle a year near spring/summer time I do run a small amount of HGh all year but just 4Iu's and my natural test always comes back up in the high 700's after a few months.this is without the DHEA as well. I think your doing the right thing by coming off mezo-repair your body so you dont have to use Test shots every week. Bodybuilding can become a addiction and so can the drugs involved. You have to be careful.good luck. hope everything works out. and remeber there is nothing wrong with running HGH year long.It is just spendy

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2011, 09:13:02 AM »
mistake ;)

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2011, 05:00:46 AM »
Soon im starting clomid fellas..

Its a fertility drug im im not mistaken right?

Should I be carefull when I f*** my gf without any rubber during the time i take this stuff?  :-\

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Re: Thinking about comming off completely again..
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2011, 09:05:50 AM »
What are the differences between nolva and clomid? Ive always used them "just because" I had read a pct plan or something, never ever did I researched them by myself.

Also, what would you recommend as a test booster? some guys above mentioned d-aspartic acid.

As far as TRT goes, im like 23-24 cant stand the thought I would be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life,

When it comes to PCT there's not any difference of any note. Both stimulate the release of LH and FSH...primarily LH which is the most important.

Test boosters .....most things in the store are crap. You can do more for your test levels by eating red meat, whole eggs and nuts and sleeping 8-9hrs a night than any OTC booster

As for your other question, clomid is used for ovarian stimulation, that has nothing to do with you.