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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2011, 06:11:43 PM »
some hobby psychiatrists in here should stop giving tips.

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2011, 06:22:31 PM »
some hobby psychiatrists in here should stop giving tips.
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2011, 07:30:15 PM »
Must suck to realize that all your muscle were fake and a product of drugs once you get off the juice!
Must suck even more that you are impotent and your balls have the size of peanuts!
Must suck that you'll never be the same you were before you took steroid because you screw-up your endocrine sistem for life!
Must suck to be like your friend!
Again, not about muscle size or strength or ball size and he was on medications before he ever touched steroids.

He says he felt better on them and the doc tells him he has to wait 2 months to test his levels to make sure the results aren't skewed. If his levels are screwed to super low levels, will they prescribe his some test? Would be kinda ironic wouldn't it?
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #78 on: September 25, 2011, 07:47:53 PM »
I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.

Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?




this could be a serious problem. i have seen blood test come back with free test being in the 50's. when test is low and estrogen is high it will def mess with you mentally. you become like an unstable female :D but no really he needs to get on an anti depressant if he is that bad along with pct ASAP
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2011, 07:50:36 PM »
Again, not about muscle size or strength or ball size and he was on medications before he ever touched steroids.

He says he felt better on them and the doc tells him he has to wait 2 months to test his levels to make sure the results aren't skewed. If his levels are screwed to super low levels, will they prescribe his some test? Would be kinda ironic wouldn't it?

more than likely yes they will prescribe HRT. alot of bbers go to the doc after a cycle to get there blood test. they will be LOW the doc will prescribe some test :)
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #80 on: September 25, 2011, 08:04:39 PM »
I was on for awhile decided to off not sure why, maybe liked the idea of losing muscle and putting on bodyfat...

Anyway this is what I did

HCG
2500iu EOD for 12injects
100mg of clomid ED for 4-6weeks
40mg Nolva ED 4-6weeks

Got bloods done before coming off, after coming off and during HCG protocol. After fewmonths everything back to normal.

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2011, 08:22:09 PM »
some hobby psychiatrists in here should stop giving tips.

x10000.

Together with my thread about hypochondria, i can see 70% of getbiggers will suffer from depression now.

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #82 on: September 25, 2011, 08:34:46 PM »
I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.

Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?



Chaos bhai, you should NEVER start any advise seeking question with "a friend/buddy of mine has problem X/Y/Z" bhai, bad call.
This is G&O man, they are going to rip that shit, yeah a buddy of yours, yeah sure...

This is serious enough not to fool around with. He should find a MD who knows  psychiatry

Or he could just go & lay in a ditch full of pit-Vipers.
That is no doubt how he got on the SSRI meds in the 1'st place  ::)

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #83 on: September 25, 2011, 08:44:17 PM »
Chaos bhai, you should NEVER start any advise seeking question with "a friend/buddy of mine has problem X/Y/Z" bhai, bad call.
This is G&O man, they are going to rip that shit, yeah a buddy of yours, yeah sure...

Or he could just go & lay in a ditch full of pit-Vipers.
That is no doubt how he got on the SSRI meds in the 1'st place  ::)

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Yeah, I knew before I posted, but he came to me for advice and I figure if anyone knows about steroids and the interaction of antidepression meds it's getbiggers. ;D
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #84 on: September 25, 2011, 08:47:53 PM »
Yeah, I knew before I posted, but he came to me for advice and I figure if anyone knows about steroids and the interaction of antidepression meds it's getbiggers. ;D

Steroids should be a substitution for anti meds

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2011, 09:01:13 PM »
Again, not about muscle size or strength or ball size and he was on medications before he ever touched steroids.

He says he felt better on them and the doc tells him he has to wait 2 months to test his levels to make sure the results aren't skewed. If his levels are screwed to super low levels, will they prescribe his some test? Would be kinda ironic wouldn't it?

2 months? He needs to see another doctor, this is ridiculous IMO.

And no, it's not all that ironic. I should say though there's not enough info here to make a sound judgment, we don't know exactly what this guy was doing, what he was taking, how much, etc. Even so, if his test levels are suppressed significantly than that could very easily be causing major depression issues.

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2011, 09:09:19 PM »
Just simply seek professional help. That's all there is to it.

Asking the question here gives you a million differing opinions, some of which are good and some very bad.

Nobody can get inside your (whomever's) head without some time and effort. Trial and Error.

It takes time.

So far the only really positive thing is the fact that someone is at the very least *admitting* that they are depressed. Not saying anything makes things worse.

"Manning up" is not the solution. If it were, we wouldn't need professionals.

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #87 on: September 25, 2011, 09:19:03 PM »
Just simply seek professional help. That's all there is to it.

Asking the question here gives you a million differing opinions, some of which are good and some very bad.

Nobody can get inside your (whomever's) head without some time and effort. Trial and Error.

It takes time.

So far the only really positive thing is the fact that someone is at the very least *admitting* that they are depressed. Not saying anything makes things worse.

"Manning up" is not the solution. If it were, we wouldn't need professionals.
He understand that, like I said his doctor said 2 months before tests to determine his levels, he wanted to know if that sounds normal or common, I don't know. The depression issues and medication were there before the juice, the juice did not cause the depression, but his highs and lows have been uncontrollable coming off.

BTW, it's not me buttholes! >:( ;D
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2011, 09:34:20 PM »
He understand that, like I said his doctor said 2 months before tests to determine his levels, he wanted to know if that sounds normal or common, I don't know. The depression issues and medication were there before the juice, the juice did not cause the depression, but his highs and lows have been uncontrollable coming off.

BTW, it's not me buttholes! >:( ;D

Messing with one of your neurotransmitters (serotonin)& one of t=your main hormones (testosterone), is a recipe for disaster IMO.
Are the meds SSRI??

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #89 on: September 25, 2011, 09:42:22 PM »
I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.

Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?



TELL HIM TO GTFO THOSE PRESCRIPTION MEDS. EVERYBODY OFF. THATS WHATS GETTING AMERICA FUCKED UP--PRESCRIPTION MEDS. THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF THIS ERA.

GET HIM OFF OF THEM!!!! I MEAN THIS WITH EXTREME SINCERITY.
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2011, 09:46:47 PM »
:o

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2011, 10:03:02 PM »
I actually agree with you 1000%. those things do more damage than they supposedly "cure".

tough it out....sometimes life isn't all rosy...but you will get through it
On my job once, I encountered this one lady who was on antidepressants...she was laughing at the situation...and she was in some real deep ish...but, her meds didn't allow her to comprehend the severity of her situation...it was like she was watching Rainbow Bright while high...


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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2011, 10:28:41 PM »
On my job once, I encountered this one lady who was on antidepressants...she was laughing at the situation...and she was in some real deep ish...but, her meds didn't allow her to comprehend the severity of her situation...it was like she was watching Rainbow Bright while high...




its according what you are on. i know several people that function very well with anti depressants. if you have done alot of rec drugs often later in life you will need them. just the sad truth
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2011, 10:36:06 PM »
I read a study on depression many years ago and they found that there is very little if any depression in third world countries. Depression seems to be reserve for the more prosperous cultures and societies. After interviewing and observing people of various cultures they saw that those who were struggling just to survive didn't really have the "time" or the "luxury" to contemplate the meaning of life and what they expect from it. Just as in prosperous societies no one ask themselves "Why me?" when things are going great -- which is most of the time. In less fortunate cultures they don't ask themselves "Why me?" when tragedy befalls them. They have long learned to accept hardship as just a normal part of life. They are far more accepting of the ebb and flow, the ups and downs of life.

They found an almost inverse relationship between expectations and gratitude. Happiness is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to have in life without gratitude. And with expectations you cannot have gratitude. When you "expect" something and get it you are not grateful because you "expected" it. You were entitled to it and deserve it -- whatever that "it" is. But if you don't get "it." You don't get what you FEEL you are rightfully entitled to and deserve you feel a sense of injustice, unfairness, cheated. In prosperous cultures you tend to have a relatively unrealistic expectations of what real life is like. This tends to effect woman more than men as they are practically brought up with the notion that they will be living happy everlastingly with Mr. Right. It is not a coincidence that women go through their own mid life crisis at around their late 20s early 30s when their youth is fading and they look at their life and say, "Is this it?"  

Not surprisingly if you were born and raised in the Congo, Somalia, Calcutta, chances are your expectations are quite low and you are eternally grateful to get whatever you can. One doesn't have the luxury to feel sorry for themselves as everyone is in the same boat.

And also the idea that the purpose in life is to be happy is a relatively new one. Look at pictures of people during the Civil War era and the days of the pioneer. Noticed nobody ever smile. It's not because they were miserable or unhappy. These were notions hardly, if ever, even considered. They were preoccupied with building better lives for themselves and their children. They were building a new country. They were preoccupied with a deep sense of purpose. Survival, food on the table, bettering themselves.  

You can talk a lot about chemical imbalances and all that. A relatively new phenomenons as well in modern Western culture. Sometimes I wonder if it's the chemical imbalances that is causing the depression or is it the depression causing the chemical imbalances. And why now? And why don't they have it Communist China or Belarus?

I was lucky in that I had a parent from a third world country who suffered real hardship and real hunger and poverty. Always taught us to be grateful and never tolerated whining and feeling sorry for yourself. That just being born in America put his head over heels above the rest of the world. That though things can get bad, very bad, chances are they can always be worse. I remember when my mom got hit by a car and had to be in a wheel chair. She was a very active person and this was really a blow. But she didn't seemed bothered by it. Or at least she didn't show it -- which in itself is also important. I remember she just said with a smile, "Well, at least I have a wheel chair to ride around in."

Not everyone can smile being in a wheel chair. I'm not sure if I could. But, I guess things could be worse -- so maybe I'll try anyway. Maybe at least for the ones who do have it worse but can still smile.
  

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2011, 11:58:03 PM »
I read a study on depression many years ago and they found that there is very little if any depression in third world countries. Depression seems to be reserve for the more prosperous cultures and societies. After interviewing and observing people of various cultures they saw that those who were struggling just to survive didn't really have the "time" or the "luxury" to contemplate the meaning of life and what they expect from it. Just as in prosperous societies no one ask themselves "Why me?" when things are going great -- which is most of the time. In less fortunate cultures they don't ask themselves "Why me?" when tragedy befalls them. They have long learned to accept hardship as just a normal part of life. They are far more accepting of the ebb and flow, the ups and downs of life.

They found an almost inverse relationship between expectations and gratitude. Happiness is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to have in life without gratitude. And with expectations you cannot have gratitude. When you "expect" something and get it you are not grateful because you "expected" it. You were entitled to it and deserve it -- whatever that "it" is. But if you don't get "it." You don't get what you FEEL you are rightfully entitled to and deserve you feel a sense of injustice, unfairness, cheated. In prosperous cultures you tend to have a relatively unrealistic expectations of what real life is like. This tends to effect woman more than men as they are practically brought up with the notion that they will be living happy everlastingly with Mr. Right. It is not a coincidence that women go through their own mid life crisis at around their late 20s early 30s when their youth is fading and they look at their life and say, "Is this it?"  

Not surprisingly if you were born and raised in the Congo, Somalia, Calcutta, chances are your expectations are quite low and you are eternally grateful to get whatever you can. One doesn't have the luxury to feel sorry for themselves as everyone is in the same boat.

And also the idea that the purpose in life is to be happy is a relatively new one. Look at pictures of people during the Civil War era and the days of the pioneer. Noticed nobody ever smile. It's not because they were miserable or unhappy. These were notions hardly, if ever, even considered. They were preoccupied with building better lives for themselves and their children. They were building a new country. They were preoccupied with a deep sense of purpose. Survival, food on the table, bettering themselves.  

You can talk a lot about chemical imbalances and all that. A relatively new phenomenons as well in modern Western culture. Sometimes I wonder if it's the chemical imbalances that is causing the depression or is it the depression causing the chemical imbalances. And why now? And why don't they have it Communist China or Belarus?

I was lucky in that I had a parent from a third world country who suffered real hardship and real hunger and poverty. Always taught us to be grateful and never tolerated whining and feeling sorry for yourself. That just being born in America put his head over heels above the rest of the world. That though things can get bad, very bad, chances are they can always be worse. I remember when my mom got hit by a car and had to be in a wheel chair. She was a very active person and this was really a blow. But she didn't seemed bothered by it. Or at least she didn't show it -- which in itself is also important. I remember she just said with a smile, "Well, at least I have a wheel chair to ride around in."

Not everyone can smile being in a wheel chair. I'm not sure if I could. But, I guess things could be worse -- so maybe I'll try anyway. Maybe at least for the ones who do have it worse but can still smile.
  


you make alot of valid points. i really enjoyed your post. i do agree with it alot. sometimes people are just unhappy just because. but there are also people that do have chemical imbalances and are legit. you have people in the societies that are depressed as well but have no option but to move on and keep going. there is no doctor to go to. i wonder what the suicide rate is in the countries. psychology is relatively new but it doesn't mean that there is not real science behind it. there is such a taboo about using anti depressants or going to talk to someone about your problems...to me seeking help is the right thing to do. so yes we are a society that is spoiled but why not take advantage of some of the advances in medicine that have been made IF you need it.
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #95 on: September 26, 2011, 12:01:38 AM »
Great post, pellius.

Actually there are several studies that suggest that the wealthier a country, the more likely the people living there will suffer from depression.

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #96 on: September 26, 2011, 02:12:35 AM »
It's funny, when you are a kid you have no testosterone yet you are happy and energetic. But when you are an adult and develop low testosterone levels, such as after a steroid cycle, you can feel like shit mentally and physically. It is like you become dependent on testosterone, like a junkie is dependent on heroin. I think testosterone can cause permanent changes to the wiring of the brain, I remember reading that in some studies.



it could cause an imbalance..i take that back it does cause an imbalance when it is low. you have indolence when are hormones are raging(look at the suicide rates in teens) then it goes down as we age(look at the suicide rate or depression studies in middle aged men) so yes it does have an effect. IMO tren is the worst for this. it can make an unstable person not very fun to be around to say the least
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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #97 on: September 26, 2011, 02:16:01 AM »
who is going to diagnose depression in the third world  ::)

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #98 on: September 26, 2011, 04:10:45 AM »
who is going to diagnose depression in the third world  ::)

By the five year study I mentioned.  ::)

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Re: OK juiceheads........
« Reply #99 on: September 26, 2011, 04:22:58 AM »


Everything about our modern, developed world is about creating a dissatisfaction with your position and place. Doing ok? should do better - look at Richie from across the road he has a much better car and hotter wife. Haven't made anything of yourself? Well, you're a fucking failure. Maybe mommy didn't show you enough love and daddy left you when you needed him most? This ultimately leads to an unhappiness with oneself. In the third world there often isn't the opportunity for such introspection. 

They also have A LOT of sex. Not uncommon for the poorest families to boast well over ten kids.

In amongst the skyscrapers, the cell phones, the free wifi, the gyms, the restaurants there are a lot of isolated and alienated people.
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