Do you guys think 2011 Phil could beat this?

[Nasty Nate]

The last year Ronnie won the Mr.O in 2005, no injuries yet.

[TrapsMcLats]

god no... phil would've looked tiny next to coleman.  When you're dealing with ronnie, even not at his best, you're still competing against:


a top 10 chest of all time
the best back of all time
arguably best arms of all time
top 5 thighs of all time
awesome shoulders


phil has:

 great arms
quality back
small chest
smallish legs (compared to ronnie or jay)
good shoulders.

now, once you put these attributes on their relative frames... it becomes a joke.

[20inch calves]

god no... phil would've looked tiny next to coleman.  When you're dealing with ronnie, even not at his best, you're still competing against:


a top 10 chest of all time
the best back of all time
arguably best arms of all time
top 5 thighs of all time
awesome shoulders


phil has:

 great arms
quality back
small chest
smallish legs (compared to ronnie or jay)
good shoulders.

now, once you put these attributes on their relative frames... it becomes a joke.

i agree except the legs phils legs looked good even against jay. but yes there we be NO contest between a 100% ronnie vs phil. IMO 100% jay beats phil

[Diesel495]

No 1 can beat Coleman. He has the most elite genetic codes when comes tissue building. His muscles are real fibers from yrs of hardcore training, not ballon blow up look alike from high doses of slin and gh plus mega Anabolics like philsulina. Compare philsulina to 8x mr o are not only insulting to Coleman, it's an extremely retarded question

[Meso_z]

The last year Ronnie won the Mr.O in 2005, no injuries yet.

Hell no, are you kidding.

[local hero]

how old is heath tho, compared to the prime coleman?.... ronny looked absolute shite untill dorian retired, id love to see where heath goes, as winning usually puts them into a higher gear

[Emmortal]

how old is heath tho, compared to the prime coleman?.... ronny looked absolute shite untill dorian retired, id love to see where heath goes, as winning usually puts them into a higher gear

Ronnie didn't really hit his peak either until he was fairly old (38 first O win) while Heath is still young, 32.  Phil's frame doesn't have what it takes to ever look like Coleman, if he was 2" taller and 4" wider, maybe.

[Tito24]

heath is a little tit compared to coleman

[JasonH]

Pointless argument comparing Heath to Ronnie - like comparing apples and oranges.

[david94]

The last year Ronnie won the Mr.O in 2005, no injuries yet.

LoL

By the way, no.

[OTHstrong]

The last year Ronnie won the Mr.O in 2005, no injuries yet.

No joke Phil would have placed 4th at the 05, jay looked good too and Gustavo looked amazing at this show and then just down hill from there, but Phil wouldn't have beat any of the 3

[HUGEPECS]

Hell no, are you kidding.

shit, it's gonna be a while before we see a true mass monster like Ronnie Coleman on the olympia stage again

[G_Thang]

 wtf is up with these phil vs ronnie threads?

phil vs flex, shawn, dex and kev are more realistic.

also, ronnie bbing time-line is fucked, spent about 8-10 yrs focusing on a career job, thought bbing was a side hobby until he hooked up with chad.

phil went straight out of college into a gym front desk position and jay culter 1 yr after that.  jay as your mentor and kerry handling the prescriptions, how long would it take anyone to move through the ranks?

can phil stay mr o til 40 yrs old? he shouldn't because he is a glorified dexter jackson.  in this day and time, it's an abomination for guys that small to hold the crown.  no way he should be up there with ronnie and haney with his frame. 

as i said, there are a couple of guys pushing 6 ft with structure like kulco and evan.  how bad do they want it, because either one could beat phil 3-4 yrs down the road by just out sizing him?  kai's fat ass is still in the picture also.

lastly, ronnie should have won 9.  even with the injuries, he was still more structurally sound than jay,.

[HUGEPECS]

wtf is up with these phil vs ronnie threads?

phil vs flex, shawn, dex and kev are more realistic.

also, ronnie bbing time-line is fucked, spent about 8-10 yrs focusing on a career job, thought bbing was a side hobby until he hooked up with chad.

phil went straight out of college into a gym front desk position and jay culter 1 yr after that.  jay as your mentor and kerry handling the prescriptions, how long would it take anyone to move through the ranks?

can phil stay mr o til 40 yrs old? he shouldn't because he is a glorified dexter jackson.  in this day and time, it's an abomination for guys that small to hold the crown.  no way he should be up there with ronnie and haney with his frame. 

as i said, there are a couple of guys pushing 6 ft with structure like kulco and evan.  how bad do they want it, because either one could beat phil 3-4 yrs down the road by just out sizing him?  kai's fat ass is still in the picture also.

lastly, ronnie should have won 9.  even with the injuries, he was still more structurally sound than jay,.

they should stop comparing Phil to Ronnie. these people who started these non-sense threads need to have a clue about bodybuilding to begin with.....

[Parker]

shit, it's gonna be a while before we see a true mass monster like Ronnie Coleman on the olympia stage again

Im thinking Cedric, Shaun Rhoden, Kuclo, and Juan Morel are ones to watch...possibly Delarosa...
I think Cedric may put on some quality pounds and get with the right "guru"...he may do some damage...and with the new rules changes, if you want to be in the O, you have to win a show...

[MORTALCOIL]

Coleman's proprotions and contioning were getting worse and worse and this 2005 showing was really far off his best. But he would have crushed Heath, even in his 2006 shape. They're not in the same league.

[G_Thang]

I thinking Cedric, Shaun Rhoden, Kuclo, and Juan Morel are ones to watch...possibly Delarosa...
I think Cedric may put on some quality pounds and get with the right "guru"...he may do some damage...and with the new rules changes, if you want to be in the O, you have to win a show...

you're right.  there are a bunch of guys in the 5'9" - 6'0" range who can give phil a run, esp the bigger cats.  forget gift receiving structurally unsound jay cutler for a moment, phil is by no means on the level of a prime yate, haney or coleman, is no doubt the tightest (well conditioned) smaller O ever i think, but in prime comparisons against the big 3, he'd get train wrecked like flex wheeler and place 4th to them.

i'm cool with phil, and don't think the others in his generation have the heart (evan) or will power (kai, since he cant stay away from the table with some money in his pockets now) to take him out. given that, i think he will win 5 or 6, and his frame will give out at some pt, just start looking bad and someone will step in ..

[BiGHer]

Disgusting... another thread comparing Coleman to Heath... just disgusting and embarassing for Ron Coleman.

[affeman]

Coleman has toothpick arms. Phil would've blown him away.

[Nasty Nate]

Disgusting... another thread comparing Coleman to Heath... just disgusting and embarassing for Ron Coleman.

lol i think phil is nowhere near big ron... there's just been so much talk about him this past week i wanted to see how many would say "yes phil could beat this".

[Hulkotron]

Ronnie 2003-2005 was so fucking big and conditioned I don't think any physique athlete past or present would even be close unless the judging criteria were fundamentally changed.

Ronnie didn't really hit his peak either until he was fairly old (38 first O win)

He was actually 33 I think but that's still pretty old (especially considering he went on to win the next 7 too).

[Nasty Nate]

Ronnie 2003-2005 was so fucking big and conditioned I don't think any physique athlete past or present would even be close unless the judging criteria were fundamentally changed.

He was actually 33 I think but that's still pretty old (especially considering he went on to win the next 7 too).

Yes i didn't like ronnie in 2001 or 2002 that much, but in 2003, 2004, 2005 he was the freakiest bb ever

[OTHstrong]

Ronnie 2003-2005 was so fucking big and conditioned I don't think any physique athlete past or present would even be close unless the judging criteria were fundamentally changed.

He was actually 33 I think but that's still pretty old (especially considering he went on to win the next 7 too).

38? Emmortal is way off, Hulk is a little closer, but Ron was 34

[no one]

No joke Phil would have placed 4th at the 05, jay looked good too and Gustavo looked amazing at this show and then just down hill from there, but Phil wouldn't have beat any of the 3

whatever happened to that guy?

[Schmoff]

whatever happened to that guy?

probably too natural to be banned to compete