I'm a definite advocate of natural training and my position on the difference between the natties and juicers is quite clear:
In Getbig, it's always either-or, no exceptions exist. Only juiced guys look muscular, natties always look like anorexic Ping Pong players. If someone has some muscle, they MUST BE juicing, but are liars. If you don't agree with gh15 on something, you are a hater etc.