Author Topic: 2011 Sheru Classic - Phil Heath getting dwarfed by Kai Greene and Jay Cutler (Read 28416 times)

the trainer · « **Reply #50 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:43:54 AM »

Quote from: The Wizard on September 27, 2011, 02:06:55 AM

Kai looks the winner there. Politics hold him back. No way they'll allow a gay Mr Olympia

Why are you guys so retarded, if bodybuilding was only about size and not condition then greg kovas would be mr olympia. kai cannot hold his condition end of story.

Secret Stack · « **Reply #51 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:46:56 AM »

never seen this kind of conditioning on phil before. first time i can say he looks HARD.
striations throughout the whole chest from upper to lower pecs.

the trainer · « **Reply #52 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:48:21 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on September 27, 2011, 02:53:50 AM

yes both look bigger,, and also pretty much same condition ,, actualy kaiu is in better condition ,, thats the problem i warned you abotu fellas,, i told you when you have no foundation....even a flight can make it noticable,, this is a big problem ,, fella wont be able to move around unless hormonized to the absolitus maximus,, and wait until body start failing on him due to need of higiher doses to maintain this 240,, you wait and see,, he will not do anything but mr o and to that he will prepare all year and he will try to come alwyas top top for mr o but....again no foundation and mr o need to fly around the world and do his thing,, he also need to alwyas be top top not half way ,, rememebr philsulina sometime off competition mod look like gym rat blown up with big arms...even the arms dont look big ,, when he smoothen up he look horrid,, its a big big problem for ifbb,,he will have to be on the money hormonized to the t ...to get o conditioned size on regular basis

gh15 approved

gh did you hit your head when you where a kid or you are just a dumb meathead bodybuilder sometimes the garbage that come out of your mouth has me in shock, I do not think you typed that with a straight face.

MB · « **Reply #53 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:49:40 AM »

It's hard to dominate with a "pretty" physique. As long as the competition is a little off, it's fine, but if Victor, Kai or Jay were spot on with conditioning, suddenly Phil doesn't look as good.

G_Thang · « **Reply #54 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:50:45 AM »

Quote from: Secret Stack on September 27, 2011, 08:46:56 AM

never seen this kind of conditioning on phil before. first time i can say he looks HARD.
striations throughout the whole chest from upper to lower pecs.

phil always looks like a monster standing alone. put him next to a national level LHW off-season.

Wiggs · « **Reply #55 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:52:41 AM »

And you guys wondered why I melted down in the Shuru thread...

ChristopherA · « **Reply #56 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:55:02 AM »

Quote from: G_Thang on September 27, 2011, 08:35:49 AM

both guys up their game a week later, and phil don't look like "the most complete bber ever". people went overboard, and i think that's why phil is getting some backlash. then, dumbasses like chick and dennis james started saying he was a better mr o than ronnie or yates at their peak. none of this is phil's fault, just keep this shit in perspective. he's a nice change of pace vs the last 3 mr O's excluding jay

Yeah never did I once say Phil was better than Ronnie. Cmon that's just stupid. We have a Mr. O that actually looks good. Jay looks like ass in every pose, every photo except maybe the one leg shot from 2009 that gets everyone hard.

His fucking waist is 50inches people!! He should never place in the top 5 of the Olympia EVER because of that alone. I love how everyone says Phil looks good standing by himself, when he's next to Kai he's tiny. Well Kai's gut looks ok when he's by himself, when Phil stands next to him with a real waistline you sea how fucking huge Kai's waist is. Huge waist/gut=shitty bb. I dont care how big you make your shoulders

G_Thang · « **Reply #57 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:01:53 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 27, 2011, 08:52:41 AM

And you guys wondered why I melted down in the Shuru thread...

you back on the kai train.

next time you're at flamengo, please get fucking pictures of mindi smith when she is with charles glass.

Secret Stack · « **Reply #58 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:02:14 AM »

goomba420 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:02:58 AM »

Quote from: BigBuehl on September 27, 2011, 08:55:02 AM

Yeah never did I once say Phil was better than Ronnie. Cmon that's just stupid. We have a Mr. O that actually looks good. Jay looks like ass in every pose, every photo except maybe the one leg shot from 2009 that gets everyone hard. His fucking waist is 50inches people!! He should never place in the top 5 of the Olympia EVER because of that alone. I love how everyone says Phil looks good standing by himself, when he's next to Kai he's tiny. Well Kai's gut looks ok when he's by himself, when Phil stands next to him with a real waistline you sea how fucking huge Kai's waist is. Huge waist/gut=shitty bb. I dont care how big you make your shoulders

G_Thang · « **Reply #60 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:12:23 AM »

hair bun don't look right, looks like lil tornado on his head.

ChristopherA · « **Reply #61 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:15:28 AM »

Yeah I guess when I think about it, Jay looks good in the locker room shots or training. But just like when he stands next to Phil he "dwarfs" him, then you also see how horrible his waistline is

Disgusted · « **Reply #62 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:17:56 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on September 27, 2011, 08:31:49 AM

Which one, 2004?

Believe so.

apply85 · « **Reply #63 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:21:40 AM »

I don't understand how people don't give kai credit... look at him, in terms of the amount of quality muscle, there's only ronnie above him. I understand he has a weird face, a weird style, a weird body type too, but come on, look at his arms even. He has the same rare combination of peak and mass in his bicep. Dude will be runner up to heath for a long time, but I think Kai has way more heart, hope he makes it in movies or something.

blackpele · « **Reply #64 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:34:09 AM »

Cutler looks amazing on those comparison shoots.

delta9mda · « **Reply #65 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:48:34 AM »

Quote from: The Grim Lifter on September 27, 2011, 02:04:43 AM

Kai hits Phil's conditioning or close = he has the better physique. He won't win though look at 2007.

ive said it before and ill say it again. . . . not hating on Phil he is damn good but he beat a way sub-par Jay and if Kai can really put it all together he wins.

apply85 · « **Reply #66 on:** September 27, 2011, 09:53:39 AM »

Not only is kai better, he is an actual bber at heart, he lives and breathes and paints it, phil thought he was gonna be the next Jordan, but his gift didn't include height lol, so now he has to be a bber to get people to worship him, kai is only about bodybuilding, he's more devoted to it than even jay, except kai is kind ofa manchild and needs a guru to tell him what to do at all times. I hope that wont be his downfall.

njflex · « **Reply #67 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:20:04 AM »

jay look's much approved,kai too,heath still has the slight edge ,what happened to jays leg mass even from the side ,kai and phil's hams sweep longer and fuller.jay's leg seperation is still crazy but he mass used to offset his waiste more.

Secret Stack · « **Reply #68 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:26:47 AM »

you guys dont seem to get that it is also a "personality" contest.
compare physiques and who is better "on the day" all you like...the ifbb need to appoint a "leader".

someone who can push their "brand" in all interviews that a mr. O does. the image, the whole lot.

there is the exception of dexter, but this is a physique that needed to be rewarded. one for the guys who were crying about flex not winning it all those years. it was to cover their own asses. but only for ONE year! and they knew it! never was going to be a "permanent mr. O".

but they have chosen phil for permanent mr. O. you can bet on that. he'll push the "brand".
just like appoointing a companies CEO / manager / leader. "the image"...and phil is it.

not kai.

MB · « **Reply #69 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:34:31 AM »

Everyone talks about Kai's past holding him back. The truth is that Kai has never been robbed. The judges have always placed him fairly and if he showed up freaky at the O, he'd get the title.

Meso_z · « **Reply #70 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:38:40 AM »

Quote from: G_Thang on September 27, 2011, 09:12:23 AM

hair bun don't look right, looks like lil tornado on his head.

looks like a big-ass turd on top of his head.

gh15 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 27, 2011, 11:25:51 AM »

Quote from: the trainer on September 27, 2011, 08:48:21 AM

gh did you hit your head when you where a kid or you are just a dumb meathead bodybuilder sometimes the garbage that come out of your mouth has me in shock, I do not think you typed that with a straight face.

he doesnt have enough foundation to hold mr o title ,, nothing to do with fallin on head eventhough i did when i was baby in swimming pool lol someoen took me from my mama and threw me to the pool at 1 year old said babys can swim lol ,, anyway the point is he just doesnt carry enough muscle as in LEGIT MUSCLE,, it is BLOW UP ,, it can not hold unless 100% on all chemicals needed at any given time,, he will shrink during flights!,, he just doesnt have the size,, he is 235lb and closing on 5'10,,, its good for fellas like you becuase it get you closer to be mr o one day ,, 235lb 5'10 is something many of you can get if knwo what you do and work at it from early 20s

gh15 approved

gh15 approved

Tom · « **Reply #72 on:** September 27, 2011, 11:28:24 AM »

don't know if with the "current fad phase" going on since the olympia less than 2 weeks ago on what is NOW IN as far as the ultimate pro bb physique, if i'm in the majority or the minority around the world.. i still think that mr.olympia should be the biggest most massive guy on stage.. and that is cutler.. then kai...

mr.olympia SHOULD NOT look almost "normal" in clothes or a suit i.e. heath....

someone mentioned well if the biggest most massive guy should always win that why didn't kovacs (and i'll include ruhl) ever win the mr.olympia? well, because that is truly for the most part ALL THEY HAD.... size... cutler DOES have more than these 2 ever did... that's why he won the mr.o 4 times now...everyone needs to take a step back and realize that HEATH is NOT the ultimate.. i mean no one can be the ULTIMATE in 1 year! from last year to now... laugh..

i mean heath DOES have weaknesses too... he has a "pretty physique" alone but up against cutler he looks more like a awesome great npc competitor... still more of a case of cutler being "off" than heath now being given as the gold standard and new wave of what pro bb and mr.o is about....

che · « **Reply #73 on:** September 27, 2011, 11:38:22 AM »

Yeah ,he's getting dwarfed

G_Thang · « **Reply #74 on:** September 27, 2011, 11:39:42 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on September 27, 2011, 11:25:51 AM

he doesnt have enough foundation to hold mr o title ,, nothing to do with fallin on head eventhough i did when i was baby in swimming pool lol someoen took me from my mama and threw me to the pool at 1 year old said babys can swim lol ,, anyway the point is he just doesnt carry enough muscle as in LEGIT MUSCLE,, it is BLOW UP ,, it can not hold unless 100% on all chemicals needed at any given time,, he will shrink during flights!,, he just doesnt have the size,, he is 235lb and closing on 5'10,,, its good for fellas like you becuase it get you closer to be mr o one day ,, 235lb 5'10 is something many of you can get if knwo what you do and work at it from early 20s

gh15 approved

gh15 approved

it was his O to win and he did. the problem is the crazy statements about him 24 hours after the O such as him structurally being better than flex, the best and most complete physique ever on the O stage, and he could take down a prime ronnie or yates. that's some insane shit or BS! one week later, you can see if kai is slightly on he can beat phil, and why he beat phil twice at the arnold? jay is still horrible, but is a mess monster compared to phil. phil is what dexter could be if he could fit an additional 15lbs on is frame. phil has the height to do it. that's about it. how long does he last? 4-5 yrs because alot of guys wont up their stuff and kai wont pull away from the table because he can afford to eat now.