Against Capitalism

[Mr. Magoo]

Please watch both videos before responding. I know what the most common responses will be and I want them to see what the video has to say first. I want to see what responses people have after watching the video and knowing fully what he is trying to argue.

[Fury]

25 mins of someone rambling just so you can respond with some pseudo-intellectual argument you've probably spent the last six hours preparing? Pass.

[Mr. Magoo]

25 mins of someone rambling just so you can respond with some pseudo-intellectual argument you've probably spent the last six hours preparing? Pass.

lmao

that made me laugh 

[Freeborn126]

Please watch both videos before responding. I know what the most common responses will be and I want them to see what the video has to say first. I want to see what responses people have after watching the video and knowing fully what he is trying to argue.

Is that guy trying to look like a total douchebag?  Just because you have long gray hair and big glasses doesn't mean you are an intelligent person.

[Mr. Magoo]

Is that guy trying to look like a total douchebag?  Just because you have long gray hair and big glasses doesn't mean you are an intelligent person.

really now? It's been a day and that's the only response I get? His looks? You've got to be kidding me. He was a well known political philosopher and author who taught political and social philosophy as well as jurisprudence at Oxford for several years.

[Soul Crusher]

really now? It's been a day and that's the only response I get? His looks? You've got to be kidding me. He was a well known political philosopher and author who taught political and social philosophy as well as jurisprudence at Oxford for several years.

I can honestly say that was one of the most idiotic things I have ever listened to and I feel really bad for kids wasting their money having to be subjected to such nonsense.

Talk about ivory tower bs completely divorced from reality.   

[Mr. Magoo]

I can honestly say that was one of the most idiotic things I have ever listened to and I feel really bad for kids wasting their money having to be subjected to such nonsense.

Talk about ivory tower bs completely divorced from reality.   

you didn't object to anything he said 

He also discusses your what I think is a "it's impractical" objection beginning at 11:11 of the 2nd video until the end of the 2nd video. Keep in mind "it's impractical" says nothing about whether or not it's desireable.

[Soul Crusher]

you didn't object to anything he said 

He also discusses your what I think is a "it's impractical" objection beginning at 11:11 of the 2nd video until the end of the 2nd video. Keep in mind "it's impractical" says nothing about whether or not it's desireable.

I desire a lot of things in my mind that are never going to happen and are not at all practicle.  That's why people in the real world dont waste gobs of time on fantasies like this guy is harboring. 

Road to hell is paved with good intentions.   

[kcballer]

Great post.  Enjoyed it immensely.  You should look up David Harvey's crisis of capitalism.  Fantastically done presentation by a marxist. 

[kcballer]

[Soul Crusher]

Great post.  Enjoyed it immensely.  You should look up David Harvey's crisis of capitalism.  Fantastically done presentation by a marxist. 

LMFAO - at least you admit you are a commie 

[kcballer]

LMFAO - at least you admit you are a commie 

Not a "commie" but i do read and listen to other viewpoints on a topic.  We aren't all pathological lunatics who frequent only the same sources over and over again.

[loco]

Yes yes, Capitalism is evil.

The alternative is so much better.  Just look at Russia, Cuba, and the PIGS(Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain).  They are doing so much better than the USA.

[kcballer]

Yes yes, Capitalism is evil.

The alternative is so much better.  Just look at Russia, Cuba, and the PIGS(Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain).  They are doing so much better than the USA.

or look at Sweden and Denmark.   

[Fury]

or look at Sweden and Denmark.  

Or like I said the last time I responded to this claim of yours (which you unsurprisingly avoided responding to), look at the number of bankrupt socialist states in Europe. Protip: The number of bankrupt socialist failures outweighs the 2 "successful" ones by a ratio of about 10:1.

Hurray, socialism has a 10% success rate!!!!!!!! Huzzah!  

B elarus
I taly (or Ireland)
G ermany

F rance
U nited
K ingdom

U kraine
P ortugal
S pain


The entire EU, the grand socialist experiment that it was, is insolvent and on the verge of total collapse. All that while contributing precisely fuck all to their own defense. Takes a really failed system to blow through money at the rate the Eurotrash socialists have managed to. Now go away, retard.




Bulldoze any African children today, murderer?

[Deicide]

or look at Sweden and Denmark.   

Scandinavia has mixed economies and furthermore they are tiny and because of that one could argue they are an example of how effective local decentralised government can be because of their size, each one being the size of an American state. Countries that are much larger cannot function on that model.

[loco]

Scandinavia has mixed economies and furthermore they are tiny and because of that one could argue they are an example of how effective local decentralised government can be because of their size, each one being the size of an American state. Countries that are much larger cannot function on that model.

Good point!

Ron Paul approved!

[George Whorewell]

Great post.  Enjoyed it immensely.  You should look up David Harvey's crisis of capitalism.  Fantastically done presentation by a marxist. 

Stupid ideas are still stupid, no matter how many times that you and nitwits as ignorant as yourself hold hands in a congratulatory circle jerk of smug leftist unity.

2+2= 4, not 5


Hope this helps.

[MuscleMcMannus]

You don't need capitalism to have a free market.  Capitalism at it's very core is  anticompetitive, anti-free market, and concentrates wealth into the hands of the few.  Americans are some of the biggest brainwshed idiots on the planet.  Even if capitalism worked and was a fair and equal system where opportunity existed for all..............America hasn't had capitalism........right now we have corporate socialism or fascism

[Emmortal]

You don't need capitalism to have a free market.  Capitalism at it's very core is  anticompetitive, anti-free market, and concentrates wealth into the hands of the few.  Americans are some of the biggest brainwshed idiots on the planet.  Even if capitalism worked and was a fair and equal system where opportunity existed for all..............America hasn't had capitalism........right now we have corporate socialism or fascism

America isn't the best example to use when talking about capitalism but when it was in full swing (1930's-1970's) America experienced it's lrgest boom in growth in every field.  Yes I'm aware of the wars having a large effect on the economy, but capitalism played its role very clearly even in those events.

The problem is, there isn't any single answer to the issue of which economics model is "best" that statement is quite ludicrous to make as one single system does not trump the other.  When comparing the US to other countries, it's pretty much imposisble to do so as a true parallel as America is unlike any other country in the world in just about every single regard.

The person in this video is pretty much an idiot.  He's painting capitalism as what really is just human nature.  Humans are never satisfied or content with our current states, if we were, we would be no more than dogs.  Give a dog a home, food, and people to play with and it will be the happiest animal on the face of the earth.  No human has ever been content with just that.  It's part of our nature to desire more and that's not something that an economic model will ever change. If we were content with that, we'd all still be living in caves and running around in animal skins.  Capitalism is essentially an extension of true human nature.  It allows for innovation and development, it frees the people from the chains of poverty and allows for prosperity for all of those willing to partake in it.  There's always going to be people who don't amount to much of anything, that's just the facts of life and no economic model will ever allow for a janitor to aquire the same wealth as an investment banker.

While his ideas are nice and fluffy and painted in a pretty package wrapped up in a bow of hope, it's complete bullshit and will never happen because it goes against the very core of what makes us human.

[Mr. Magoo]

Yes yes, Capitalism is evil.

The alternative is so much better.  Just look at Russia, Cuba, and the PIGS(Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain).  They are doing so much better than the USA.

He does discuss the practicality of developing an economic democracy beginning at 11:11 in the 2nd video (as I posted to 3333). He says it needs a lot of planning and it would be very difficult to develop, but the key to his argument is that we SHOULD work towards that development. I personally think it is a fault of his that he doesn't develop his idea further to come up with possible economic models. I haven't yet read all that he has written so perhaps he does more in his other works.

By the way, you need to define the word "better". What should be the goal? Highest GDP per capita? Happiness? Etc. He argues in the video (as I'm sure you noticed while watching the clips) that capitalism brings not only GDP but also a lot of misery and unhappiness and this negates any notion of capitalism making a country "better". You need to define what makes one country "better" than another.

[George Whorewell]

He does discuss the practicality of developing an economic democracy beginning at 11:11 in the 2nd video (as I posted to 3333). He says it needs a lot of planning and it would be very difficult to develop, but the key to his argument is that we SHOULD work towards that development. I personally think it is a fault of his that he doesn't develop his idea further to come up with possible economic models. I haven't yet read all that he has written so perhaps he does more in his other works.

By the way, you need to define the word "better". What should be the goal? Highest GDP per capita? Happiness? Etc. He argues in the video (as I'm sure you noticed while watching the clips) that capitalism brings not only GDP but also a lot of misery and unhappiness and this negates any notion of capitalism making a country "better". You need to define what makes one country "better" than another.

Hey shit for brains--- central planning has never worked anywhere ever. The problem with liberals and self proclaimed online intellectuals, is that none of you can point to any empirical evidence that your pie in the sky vision has ever worked. Want to talk about misery? Do you really want to compare capitalism with the other economic models? At the risk of embarrassing yourself, I strongly suggest that you persist in posting videos rather than commenting on them. 

[loco]

By the way, you need to define the word "better". What should be the goal? Highest GDP per capita? Happiness? Etc. He argues in the video (as I'm sure you noticed while watching the clips) that capitalism brings not only GDP but also a lot of misery and unhappiness and this negates any notion of capitalism making a country "better". You need to define what makes one country "better" than another.

You are kidding, right?  Are you telling me that it is debatable that the quality of life of the average US resident is better than that of a resident of Cuba, Russia, Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain?   

[Not Sure]

Starts of interesting, but quickly evolves to diahreha mouth.  Takes wayyyy too long to get to some point, whatever it was...blah blah blah.  

Any financial SYSTEM is an invitation of opression.  " then the unions came about and the capatalists didn't like it, but they couldn't stop it so the unions and public assistance stayed....." or something like that.  DUH!  The dependance on the union/public assistance/govt. is all the same, the capatalists ( money creators,) still win.  Blame banks, govt, who or whatever, the end result is a chosen opression.

Let us all call the video and each other names....marxist, socialist, capatalist, these square wheels shall never roll.  All we have ever been given are square peg answers for a round hole problem, then we argue which square peg should fit the best.  

Countries that are much larger cannot function on that model

none of you can point to any empirical evidence that your pie in the sky vision has ever worked

Why not?

WE only kid ourselves that our SYSTEM is better.


  

[headhuntersix]

You are kidding, right?  Are you telling me that it is debatable that the quality of life of the average US resident is better than that of a resident of Cuba, Russia, Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain?   

This guy is a retard that thinks he's smart.  Things in Ireland are about the same as here..parts of Spain or Portugal..there rest are varying degree's of shithole.