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Obama’s Jobs Plan Prevents Election-Year Recession in Survey of Economists
By Timothy R. Homan - Sep 28, 2011

President Barack Obama’s $447 billion jobs plan would help avoid a return to recession by maintaining growth and pushing down the unemployment rate next year, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

The legislation, submitted to Congress this month, would increase gross domestic product by 0.6 percent next year and add or keep 275,000 workers on payrolls, the median estimates in the survey of 34 economists showed. The program would also lower the jobless rate by 0.2 percentage point in 2012, economists said.

Economists in the survey are less optimistic than Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, who has cited estimates for a 1.5 percent boost to gross domestic product. Even so, the program may bolster Obama’s re-election prospects by lowering a jobless rate that has stayed near 9 percent or more since April 2009.

The plan “prevents a contraction of the economy in the first quarter” of next year, said John Herrmann, a senior fixed-income strategist at State Street Global Markets LLC in Boston, who participated in the survey. “It leads to more retention of workers than net new hires.”

Some 13,000 jobs would be created in 2013, bringing the total to 288,000 over two years, according to the survey. Employers in the U.S. added 1.26 million workers in the past 12 months, Labor Department data show.

Obama’s plan, announced on Sept. 8, calls for cutting the payroll taxes paid by workers and small businesses while extending unemployment insurance. It also includes an increase in infrastructure spending and more aid for cash-strapped state governments.

‘What Happens?’

“The important thing to consider is: What happens if we don’t do anything?” said Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James & Associates Inc. in St. Petersburg, Florida. He said the program “very well could” forestall a recession in early 2012.

“Most of all, it prevents a serious drag on the economy next year” from current programs expiring, said Brown, who estimates the Obama plan would add 0.5 percent to GDP in 2012.


A reduction in government spending, the end of the payroll- tax holiday and an expiration of extended unemployment benefits would cut GDP by 1.7 percent in 2012, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. chief U.S. economist Michael Feroli in New York. Instead, the Obama proposal makes up for that potential loss and may add a net 0.1 percent to the economy, he estimates.
State Aid

Tax cuts account for more than half the dollar value of the Obama plan, which also includes $105 billion in spending for school modernization, transportation projects and rehabilitation of vacant properties, according to a White House fact sheet. The proposal includes $35 billion in direct aid to state and local governments to stem dismissals of educators and emergency personnel.

“Some of this is just extending support that was already in place,” said Julia Coronado, chief economist for North America at BNP Paribas in New York. “The actual jobs programs themselves, I don’t think that they’re a game-changer.”

She estimates the proposal will add 200,000 new workers, while retaining about 300,000 jobs that might otherwise be lost.

Republican lawmakers in Congress have expressed opposition to parts of the White House legislation. House leaders object to Obama’s plan to cut payroll taxes, saying it would lead to an overly large boost in taxes when the temporary break ended.
Tax Burden

In a memo to House Republicans on Sept. 16, House Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor and other leaders detailed several criticisms of the payroll-tax idea. The lawmakers said an added tax burden would result when, under the president’s plan, an extension and expansion of a “holiday” on such taxes for employees and employers would expire in 2013.

Herrmann agreed. “We’re setting ourselves up for a big end to the sugar high in the first half of 2013,” he said.

A majority of Americans don’t believe Obama’s jobs proposal will help lower the unemployment rate, according to a Bloomberg National Poll conducted Sept. 9-12 by Selzer & Co. of Des Moines, Iowa.

“It’s not really going to have anything more than a marginal impact,” said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Pierpont Securities LLC in Stamford, Connecticut. “It’s just maintaining the status quo: extending the payroll-tax cuts and unemployment benefits. The bulk of the money is going to go to firms that would’ve hired anyway.”

Stanley estimated the program would increase payrolls by 50,000 and add 0.25 percent to GDP next year.
Fiscal Policy

While the White House hasn’t given an estimate of how the proposal would affect GDP, Geithner cited the plan Sept. 24 in an address at the annual meeting of the International Monetary Fund. Without additional near-term support, “fiscal policy in the U.S. will be overly contractionary and the U.S. economy will likely grow below its potential in 2012,” Geithner said.

He said private economists estimate the proposal could increase real economic growth next year by around “one and a half percentage points and create more than 1 million jobs at a critical moment in the recovery.”

In the Bloomberg survey, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. estimated the plan would add 1.5 percent to the economy, while Macroeconomic Advisers LLC said 1.3 percent and UniCredit Research, up to 2 percent.

The U.S. economy faces “significant downside risks,” the Federal Reserve said in a statement on Sept. 21 as it announced a plan to shift $400 billion of its Treasury securities holdings into longer-term debt to bring down borrowing costs.

The world’s largest economy grew 3 percent last year before slowing to a 0.4 percent annual pace in the first three months of 2011, followed by 1 percent in the second quarter, according to Commerce Department figures.

The economy will expand 2.2 percent next year, according to a separate Bloomberg survey of economists conducted Sept. 2 to Sept. 7. The same survey said the unemployment rate would average 8.8 percent in 2012.

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                2012    2013    2012    2013    2012    2013
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Median           0.6     0.2     275      13    -0.2    -0.1
Count             34      30      28      28      28      26
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Action Eco       0.0     0.0       0       0     0.0     0.0
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Aletti           0.4     0.0     n/a     n/a     n/a     n/a
Anderson Eco     0.5     0.5     500     500    -0.5    n/a
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BNP Paribas      0.5    -0.3     500    -300     n/a     n/a
Clearview Eco    0.8     0.8     750     750    -0.5    -0.5
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MacroFin         1.5     1.5   1,000   1,000    -1.0    -1.0
Manulife         1.5     0.5   2,000     700    -1.0    -0.3
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Parsanec         0.5     0.5   1,100     700    -1.0    -0.5
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Raymond James    0.3     0.2     350      25    -0.5    -0.1
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The bill's being held up IN THE SENATE. Reid is dragging his feet (and who can blame him). It won't pass there or in the House.

But, why let facts stand in the way of your Obama worshipping?


Reid in no rush to pass Obama jobs bill






Despite President Barack Obama’s urgency to “pass this bill now,” the American Jobs Act may have to wait until next month, or later, before Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid even brings it to the floor for a vote.

In his speech to a joint session of Congress last week, Obama implored lawmakers to pass the bill and its $477 billion price tag immediately. And this week, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) launched a campaign of web and television ads touting the bill and rallying support for its passage.

None of that may matter, since Reid’s response has been more of a careless shrug. It’s not surprising, though, considering the discontent surrounding the bill from Senate Democrats.

Democratic Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia called the president’s ideas for paying for the billy “terrible.”

“We shouldn’t increase taxes on ordinary income. … There are other ways to get there,” he added. (RELATED: Obama’s jobs bill has charitable givers reeling)

Even Sen. John Kerry, the liberal lion from Massachusetts, doubts the bill will pass in full: “I don’t think anybody expects it to pass en bloc. So, the issue is going to be what, if any, parts of it might be cherry-picked.”

Other Democrats are upset over the bill’s offsets. The Alaska delegation opposes singling out the oil industry’s tax loopholes. In short, Obama’s plan to solve the nation’s jobs crisis is proving to be a difficult sell even to his own party.

“Senator Reid has a problem in his own caucus,” Brian Phillips, Communications Director for Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, told The Daily Caller. “Nearly a dozen Democrats have said the president’s plan is ‘terrible’, ‘unfair’, that it ‘won’t fly’, or that it couldn’t pass as is.”

“If the president’s own party can’t agree, I would be surprised to see any action before the end of the month,” Phillips added. “Republicans are exposing the president’s plan as ‘Stimulus 2,’ a predictable rehash of the president’s failed 2009 stimulus that throws borrowed money down the black hole of government spending.  We’ll respond with measures that create jobs by lessening the burden of the federal government on families and businesses, such as the Regulation Moratorium and Jobs Preservation Act and the REINS Act.”

On Tuesday, Reid told reporters that when it comes to specific pieces of legislation, he has other priorities before he gets to the jobs bill. They include the FEMA bill, several trade bills, and a bill on the Chinese currency.

“So we have an infrastructure bill,” said Reid. “We’ll likely do that next work period. … I don’t know exactly what I need to do yet with the — with the president’s jobs bill.”

Reid will be meeting with the full Democratic caucus on Thursday, however, to discuss the party’s plan moving forward.

Republicans are expecting to take up the bill in pieces, rather than on an all-or-nothing basis.




Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/14/reid-in-no-rush-to-pass-obama-jobs-bill/#ixzz1ZMCkR1Y6

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/14/reid-in-no-rush-to-pass-obama-jobs-bill/

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Wrong......try again dumbass. The left wants things bad so society depends more on the government. This creates more of a socialist society like Europe. Why do you think Democrats don't want to seriously attack the deficit. It's a George Soros wet dream.

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I stopped reading at the "maintaining growth" part.

What a joke.


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Fail......



t’s as if Solyndra never happened. The Obama Administration is giving $737 million to a Tonopah Solar, a subsidiary of California-based SolarReserve. PCG is an investment partner with SolarReserve. Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law happens to be the number two man at PCG.


Obama admires solar panels during a trip to Florida. (Yahoor)

Team Obama is spending $737 million to create 45 permanent jobs.
The Hill reported, via Free Republic:

    The Energy Department announced Wednesday that is has finalized a $737 million loan guarantee for a Nevada solar project.

    The decision comes several weeks after a California-based solar manufacturer that received a $535 million loan guarantee from the Obama administration in 2009 filed for bankruptcy and laid off 1,100 workers, setting off a firestorm in Washington.

    The $737 million loan guarantee will help finance construction of the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project, a 110-megawatt solar-power-generating facility in Nye County, Nev. The project is sponsored by Tonopah Solar, a subsidiary of California-based SolarReserve.

    Crescent Dunes is the latest solar project to receive a loan guarantee from the Energy Department in recent weeks. The department announced a $1.2 billion loan guarantee to Abengoa Solar for a solar generation project in California and a $150 million loan guarantee to 1366 Technologies for a Massachusetts solar manufacturing project earlier this month.

    The Energy Department says the project will result in 600 construction jobs and 45 permanent jobs.

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Somebody MIGHT want to change the name of this thread.

Dick Durbin: We Can’t Pass This Unfunded Jobs Bill



Note well: It’s not due to Republican opposition. Durbin says he can’t even get every member of his own caucus on board.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said that, at the moment, Democrats don’t have the votes to pass President Obama’s jobs bill, but Durbin added that that would change.

“Not at the moment, I don’t think we do but, uh, we can work on it,” Durbin said according to Chicago radio station WLS…

“The oil-producing state senators don’t like eliminating or reducing the subsidy for oil companies, “Durbin said. “There are some senators who are up for election who say I’m never gonna vote for a tax increase while I’m up for election, even on the wealthiest people. So, we’re not gonna have 100% Democratic senators. That’s why it needs to be bi-partisan and I hope we can find some Republicans who will join us to make it happen.”
Bad news for Obama? Hardly.

He always knew the bill would never pass. He loaded it up with all sorts of crap he knew neither Republicans nor moderate Democrats could accept. He didn’t want to pass a jobs bill. He wanted it known that he introduced one.

Why? So he can blame this crappy economy and jobs market on Congress — including his fellow Democrats — next year. He wants the credit for “trying” without actually having to do anything. So he’ll introduce an awful “jobs” bill, it’ll die in Congress as planned, and he’ll blame them for the high unemployment.

But wait, you say. That means he’ll end up having to blame Democrats, too. Shove the blame off on his own party? Sure. Barack Obama is about Barack Obama. He has already demonstrated his willingness to throw anyone and anyone under the bus if politics demands as much. He even vilified his own grandmother for votes.


http://amerpundit.com/2011/09/29/dick-durbin-we-cant-pass-this-unfunded-jobs-bill/


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Somebody MIGHT want to change the name of this thread.

Dick Durbin: We Can’t Pass This Unfunded Jobs Bill


HAPPY FRIDAY, Tobey!  ::)

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HAPPY FRIDAY, Tobey::)


How can you misspell a 4-letter word!? Cripes.  ::)

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How can you misspell a 4-letter word!? Cripes.  ::)
"Tobey" is a name, and therefore does not have a proper spelling.

"Cripes", indeed.  ::)
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There is no such thing as a jobs bill, the government cannot create jobs. 

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How can you misspell a 4-letter word!? Cripes.  ::)
D'oh!  :P

Tobey Maguire


This is what happens when you try too hard...you make an idiotic post like "dr. chimps".
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There is no such thing as a jobs bill, the government cannot create jobs. 
dunderhead

MYTH: The federal government cannot create jobs.

The next time you ride through the intersection of State Road 85 and SR 123, notice the workers and imagine all the people providing materials and transportation to the site.

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D'oh!  :P

Tobey Maguire


This is what happens when you try to hard...you make an idiotic post like "dr. chimps".
Awesome. You misspelled a 3-letter word.  ::)

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Should the debt and trade deficit not be a concern or do you agree with Cheny when he said that deficits don't matter?
I hate the State.

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Awesome. You misspelled a 3-letter word.  ::)
Awesome that I corrected the typo before I even saw your post.  ;)

Get a life bud, and stop derailing this thread with your drivel.
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"Tobey" is a name, and therefore does not have a proper spelling.

"Cripes", indeed.  ::)
::)   You're a total idiot.

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How can you misspell a 4-letter word!? Cripes.  ::)

Obama's scrotum is blocking his view.

Of course, our resident "Hope and Change" cheerleader just had the gist of his thread ripped apart. When confronted with the facts, he melts like butter on a blowtorch.


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Should the debt and trade deficit not be a concern or do you agree with Cheny when he said that deficits don't matter?
Who is this question for, given that it does not contain a quote?  ???

And please elaborate on the issue of who it is that believes a debt and trade deficit should "not be a concern."
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It's easy, when you leave your brain at the door, and pledge yourself to Obama sack-swallowing.

Of course, our resident "Hope and Change" cheerleader just had the gist of his thread ripped apart. When confronted with the facts, he melts like butter on a blowtorch.
Well, I'll allow Noah's Ark if we can drop Benny and 3.14 to bottom of a Biblical abyss.

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Obama's scrotum is blocking his view.
I can only imagine how much time you spend thinking about Obama's "scrotum", Tobey.  :-X

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Of course, our resident "Hope and Change" cheerleader just had the gist of his thread ripped apart. When confronted with the facts, he melts like butter on a blowtorch.
Those voices inside your head must be speaking pretty loudly today.  :-\
I must say, your Mantan McMoron act never ceases to amaze. Tomming and "coonery and buffoonery" abound.

 
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Well, I'll allow Noah's Ark if we can drop Benny and 3.14 to bottom of a Biblical abyss.
Your sentence structure is grammatically incorrect, "dr. chimps."  :P

I'm not going anywhere...thanks, fuck off.

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::)   You're a total idiot.


You're an imbecile.
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Your sentence structure is grammatically incorrect, "dr. chimps."  :P

I'm not going anywhere...thanks, fuck off.
Aside from a (possible) comma, show me.  :)


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LMFAO! !  !  ! ! ! ! !

The Democrats are ther ones who refuse to pass this mess. 

Yeah, lets give Obamadoff more money to piss away on more Solyndras.  Brilliant idea.   ::)  ::)  ::)

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I can only imagine how much time you spend thinking about Obama's "scrotum", Tobey.  :-X
Those voices inside your head must be speaking pretty loudly today.  :-\
I must say, your Mantan McMoron act never ceases to amaze. Tomming and "coonery and buffoonery" abound.




You're an imbecile.

And one can only imagine how much time you spend, thinking about hurting another guy's butt.
 

The buffoonery is on your end, O boneheaded one. The title of your thread has been shot to pieces. Reid has YET to bring up the bill and is in no hurry to do so. Durbin has stated that the Dems DO NOT have the vote to pass it in the Senate.

But, why let the facts stop you from your quest to replace Amber Lee Ettinger as the new Obama Girl?

Your sentence structure is grammatically incorrect, "dr. chimps."  :P

I'm not going anywhere...thanks, fuck off.



Of course, he's not going anywhere. He'd rather hide here and wait until the mods move his thread, rather than go to the Political Forum and get beat down, as usual.