So who here ACTUALLY believes that

[MikMaq]

Another  guy with 200+ posts that has obviously been here for years.

Fuck whether I was natural or not....what is with you assholes you switch from account, to account, to account and never actually post as a real live person.  what are you afraid of

You take this far more seriously than I ...I don't care how much of my bullshit people can "take" betore they get sick of it...you don't like me...fuck you...really...plain and simple.

I'm not going anywhere, and I'll post whatever I feel like....and I'm not "melting"....I'm laughing actually..That some of you people think that I'm worried about what you think...nothing personal whatsoever, but I'm not.

When I say "i don't care"...it's not an act....I really don't care if some guy who probably doesn't even train, and spends his life on the interenet.."believes" me or not....the self -importance a few of you guys give to yourself is laughable...the best was when one idiot said "the pressure got to him, so he made up this story thaT now he isn't natural"....

I almost fell out of my chair laughing on that one

if anybody here feels "pressure" to to answer to the other posters......seek therapy immediately

I'll take that as I've struck a nerve. We all know what I said is fact. You've just validated it. Does the truth really piss you off that much?   If you feel cornered I'm sorry, but you really need to come to terms how you think you are perceived and how you are seen by again people that only know you for a period of ten minutes.

[d0nny2600]

Does it matter?

Groink looks great in both before and after. If he is on juice in both - so what (he still looks good). If he isn't using in the "before" - so what....he looks good.

[epic_alien]

hey man dont fuck with gronkie,

he is a superior being, thats just a fact. he is insanely huge and lean, and only takes   test and tren to go to the gym and hit arms. he is above and beyond all others, never question that, he is a man with muscles, he was born a champion of iron. and yes has been natural just up until a few months ago.

cause he says so.

and he doesnt care to impress you tiny tits, cause he is large and on another level. he takes the bathroom pictures of himself, just for him. just for him!! you should be lucky he shares them with all of us.  just like drago in rocky 4 said, i fight for me! for meeeeee!!

is that hard to grasp?

[asbrus]

Disagree. You can tell when someone is using, even if their paper stats are achievable naturally, by muscle distribution, skin tone, etc. Obviously many on relatively low doses (say sub 500mg /week) can pass for natural, but someone on a decent amount will usually stand out unless the genetic response is abysmal. Not saying this applies to any of those guys, but you usually can tell.

L0L BULLSHIT. IF S0ME0NE HAS ACHEIVABLE STATS, Y0U CANN0T TELL IF THEY USE 0R N0T. SKIN T0NE, ACNE, ARE ALL BASED 0N GENETICS. IT'S N0T 0NLY AN INDICAT0R 0F R0ID USE.

[StanZoLOL]

L0L BULLSHIT. IF S0ME0NE HAS ACHEIVABLE STATS, Y0U CANN0T TELL IF THEY USE 0R N0T. SKIN T0NE, ACNE, ARE ALL BASED 0N GENETICS. IT'S N0T 0NLY AN INDICAT0R 0F R0ID USE.

Wrongo dongo. To relate it to someone at your level: Stallone in Rambo 3 has achievable stats, yet "looks" juiced.

[Palpatine Q]

I'll take that as I've struck a nerve. We all know what I said is fact. You've just validated it. Does the truth really piss you off that much?   If you feel cornered I'm sorry, but you really need to come to terms how you think you are perceived and how you are seen by again people that only know you for a period of ten minutes.

Take it any way you want...that's another silly thing you people do....tell me  how I'M feeling. 

I'm perfectly calm...maybe you have to get all riled up to voice yuor opinion...I don't.

on that note I'm out of this thread....you all can tell each other how you "know" what i do without me 

[MikMaq]

Does it matter?

Groink looks great in both before and after. If he is on juice in both - so what (he still looks good). If he isn't using in the "before" - so what....he looks good.

Who said he didn't look good, that's not the question. It's about a guy having a persistent pattern of having to manipulate people in order to feel ok about himself.
The guy is clearly narcissistic, the fact that he has to "own" his detractors at the age of 40+ is all you need. I don't even care he admits to it, but it's important for it to be understood, just as it's important for people to understand what realistic expectations are for naturals.

Again guys I'm not a gimmick it might surprise you to notice that 80 percent of the people reading this forum at any one time are guests. I've had accounts in the past but usually stop using them once I become occupied with work/school etc, as I've said in other threads I've only starting posting again as I'm recovering from an operation.

[asbrus]

Wrongo dongo. To relate it to someone at your level: Stallone in Rambo 3 has achievable stats, yet "looks" juiced.

ACTUALLY HE D0SEN'T. STALL0NE was 170 LBS IN RAMB0 3 AT 5 9 AND AT 4 PERCENT B0DY FAT. THAT ISN'T ACHEIVABLE NATURALLY.

[Palpatine Q]

Geezus Christ go change you fucking tampon already ....and get a fucking job

[oliolioli]

Any natural who really looked great and on par with juicers and was accused of steroid use would be fucking overjoyed with the accusations and accolades.  He wouldn't have to defend himself, pretend to laugh it off, and act so defensive.  Even if you never saw pictures, just reading a person's posts can tell you a lot.

The fact that Groink posts his pictures and vids up alone tells you he is a narcissist.  The other stuff is just icing.   

[Rearden Metal]

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN 0F CULT SP0RTS. I WRESTLED IN HIGH SCH00L 4 YEARS AND 2 YEARS IN JUNI0R C0LLEGE. I L0VE 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING AND P0WERLIFTING AND F0LL0W IT T0 THE MAX, BUT NEVER D0 IT MYSELF. T0 ME, IT'S AB0UT BEING AS STR0NG AND BIG AS I P0SSIBLY CAN AND HAVE PE0PLE ACCUSE ME 0F TAKING DRUGS. THE WAY I SEE IT, IS IF I CAN TURN HEADS AND GET ATTENTI0N FR0M FEMALES NATURALLY AT MY HEIGHT, B/F, AND WEIGHT, THEN I SEE N0 REAS0N T0 R0ID. THE MAIN REAS0N IS BECAUSE I CH00SE N0T C0MPETE S0 I REMAIN DRUG FREE.

Nobody asked about you assbruise.

[J-MAC]

Take it any way you want...that's another silly thing you people do....tell me  how I'M feeling. 

I'm perfectly calm...maybe you have to get all riled up to voice yuor opinion...I don't.

on that note I'm out of this thread....you all can tell each other how you "know" what i do without me 

Geezus Christ go change you fucking tampon already ....and get a fucking job

We should call this 'doing a groink'

[Rearden Metal]

We should call this 'doing a groink'

LOL. 14000+ posts of self defense, semi- melting whilst attacking and retreating simultaneously. I can't believe I read 65 pages of that stuff on that one thread.

[MikMaq]

We should call this 'doing a groink'

Lol Seriously though. He fails to realize that by comparing himself to people like Arnold, he's also gonna face the same kind of criticism. The sadder part is that everyone around here just goes with it because he puts so much effort in his so called "ownings".

Take it any way you want...that's another silly thing you people everyone do....tell me  how I'M feeling.  

I'm perfectly calm...maybe you have to get all riled up to voice yuor opinion...I don't.

It's pretty easy to tell how other people feel by how they react to something especially after they've done the same thing 14000 times. He's clearly puts himself above everyone else, if he thinks he's kidding anyone he seriously needs help.

[Palpatine Q]

Lol Seriously though. He fails to realize that by comparing himself to people like Arnold, he's also gonna face the same kind of criticism. The sadder part is that everyone around here just goes with it because he puts so much effort in his so called "ownings". It's pretty easy to tell how other people feel by how they react to something especially after they've done the same thing 14000 times. He's clearly puts himself above everyone else, if he thinks he's kidding anyone he seriously needs help.

actually it's effortless.

[johnnynoname]

Adrian is a black hence his physique

BGG> the gas

[cephissus]

i don't know but i think adrain is a legitimate challenger to groinks "greatest natural arms of all time title"

[gh15]

L0L BULLSHIT. IF S0ME0NE HAS ACHEIVABLE STATS, Y0U CANN0T TELL IF THEY USE 0R N0T. SKIN T0NE, ACNE, ARE ALL BASED 0N GENETICS. IT'S N0T 0NLY AN INDICAT0R 0F R0ID USE.

i can tell you in a second ,, 1 single second who is on and what they are on! and be 100% acurwate,, thats why no one ever lok into my eye when im in gymnasium ,, they knwo when i talk no balonie can fly aroudn,, including all the 17.5 inch lean arms with minature body attached to it that are on hormones! ,, lay nortom is good exampel of a homonized bodybuild that decive the cult

gh15 approved

[gh15]

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN 0F CULT SP0RTS. I WRESTLED IN HIGH SCH00L 4 YEARS AND 2 YEARS IN JUNI0R C0LLEGE. I L0VE 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING AND P0WERLIFTING AND F0LL0W IT T0 THE MAX, BUT NEVER D0 IT MYSELF. T0 ME, IT'S AB0UT BEING AS STR0NG AND BIG AS I P0SSIBLY CAN AND HAVE PE0PLE ACCUSE ME 0F TAKING DRUGS. THE WAY I SEE IT, IS IF I CAN TURN HEADS AND GET ATTENTI0N FR0M FEMALES NATURALLY AT MY HEIGHT, B/F, AND WEIGHT, THEN I SEE N0 REAS0N T0 R0ID. THE MAIN REAS0N IS BECAUSE I CH00SE N0T C0MPETE S0 I REMAIN DRUG FREE.

the problem for fewllas like you happen when they want to get in superb condition from the back,, notice rare doubel bi you wont see very detailed dry back ,, especialy mid back and lower back it jsut wotn be detailed enough or dry enough ,, for this you will have to be 174-175lb in your case which is very great for natural but its not 180 something,, and 174-175 only get attention with shirt off ,, but yes when shirt go off they get lots of atention and girls love it you are right

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[gh15]

isn't this Adrain guy another famous Natty on here?

adrian is the defitiion of a WET juicer,, wet juicer is a bodyhbuild that sit all year round 10-15lb from competition weight,, mean his back is muscualr and thick with some detail and only little fat and mostly water hide great detail there,, those 10-15lb would make him dry and competition ready,, ofcourse he is hormonized but you all knwo that and he doesnt talk about it much

gh15 approved

[gh15]

Goudy maybe, he just looks like a big corn-fed farm boy.  Groink unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility.  Mesmorph only trains chest and arms so who knows with him.

"adrain" is completely full of shit though.  "Natural" 520-lb bencher with 6% bf, lol.

NO ONE is 250lb of solid and groink was solid ,, he was 12% 12-14% ,, you dotn walk around 250lb anythign 12-14 % lol 5'11 lol what are you nuts fella? the most famous drug dealers of the cult who have similar builts to groink ,, walking around 6'1 240-245lb 10% ...you do the math,,  7lb per inch

a natural groink would be 200lb 12-14% which is like any other natural competitor ending on stage 175-185lb 5'11 6' 6% dry,,he would have about 1/2 inch to an inch bigger arms than most fellas in his clas on stage as natural ,, that yes

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[gh15]

Anyone over 150 lb is on drugs, esp. if they post here, in which case they're also abusing GH and Insulin.

nonono,, up to 170lb 6% dry ...5'10! possibel truely naturaly ,, btu its 170 ...no where remotely close to 185 or 190 for a 5'10 fella

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[gh15]

ACTUALLY HE D0SEN'T. STALL0NE was 170 LBS IN RAMB0 3 AT 5 9 AND AT 4 PERCENT B0DY FAT. THAT ISN'T ACHEIVABLE NATURALLY.

correct ,, was juiced in all ramobo movies and all rocky moveis

gh15 approved

[Hulkotron]

correct ,, was juiced in all ramobo movies and all rocky moveis

gh15 approved

Even the first couple Rocky's?  In Rocky 3 and 4 for sure he was eating out three times a day at the all-you-can-eat Franco Columbu "vitamins" buffet, but if this is not naturally achievable then I don't know what the point to working out is haha:

[gh15]

Even the first couple Rocky's?  In Rocky 3 and 4 for sure he was eating out three times a day at the all-you-can-eat Franco Columbu "vitamins" buffet, but if this is not naturally achievable then I don't know what the point to working out is haha:

i cant remember the rocky 1 physqie of his it ws smooth i think  ,, this is one picture,, he ws hormonized is most rocky movies and in ALL rambo

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