Getbig, I took a couple of pictures today of my physique(natural twink mode)

[purenaturalstrength]

some things I wonder about, how come deltoids don't get stronger or bigger at all?

Why don't I grow bigger just slightly stronger every year?

Why does it feel like I have a roid gut when I'm not using roid?

[greeneyes]

you have phil heath potential...




















 for clavicule narrowness 

[purenaturalstrength]

you have phil heath potential...




















 for clavicule narrowness  

yes, that is not helping in the "does he even lift" look  




just look at dennis james, he's three times as wide lol

[noeasywayout]

you have good quads for natural!!

[affeman]

some things I wonder about, how come deltoids don't get stronger or bigger at all?

Cause you're not on roids. Delts only grow on juicers, there's no natural with good delts.

[purenaturalstrength]

Cause you're not on roids. Delts only grow on juicers, there's no natural with good delts.

I read that before, but is it really true? My workout partner's delts are twice the size and he's not as strong as me (except military press) and he's natural

I was thinking maybe I should do military press twice a week instead of once

[StanZoLOL]

I read that before, but is it really true? My workout partner's delts are twice the size and he's not as strong as me (except military press) and he's natural

Maybe he's sneaking some superdrol behind your back. lol I could seated press 220 for 4-5 to chin as a natural, delts were still abysmal.

[Meso_z]

Cause you're not on roids. Delts only grow on juicers, there's no natural with good delts.

[purenaturalstrength]

Maybe he's sneaking some superdrol behind your back. lol I could seated press 220 for 4-5 to chin as a natural, delts were still abysmal.

no if he were taking something he wouldn't be struggling with 5x5 90kg bench

[MP]

Good legs.

The piss spot on your shorts not so good (no homo for noticing).

[purenaturalstrength]

The piss spot on your shorts not so good (no homo for noticing).

lol

[StanZoLOL]

no if he were taking something he wouldn't be struggling with 5x5 90kg bench

You'd be surprised.......

[purenaturalstrength]

You'd be surprised.......

so far he's been very honest, told me when he took some prohormones and keeps asking me if he should start steroids


i say steroids are bad.... but.... i read that you need to best be on it before 23 if you want to get huge (lol)

he watches md videos and thinks "foundation" means "natural foundation"

[mesmorph78]

Good build foot muscle shape and genetics
Do not listen to all the usual idiots who talk about drugs this forum thanks to gh15 and a couple of of othe morons has become one big steroid board.
No you love working out right?
And you plan to keep going till your old or otherwise?
Keep going at it natural just like I have
After a period of time you will get the physique you want and your goals will change
I started out with 13 inch arms but back then no one wats watching people only see and start to envy you after you have achieved something.
Good physique .. Muscle insertions and shape.

[StanZoLOL]

so far he's been very honest, told me when he took some prohormones...

Aww, man. Those guys who only took ph's for one cycle "and they didn't do anything" are the worst liars. haha

[BiGHer]

You are lean and Ýou have a nice natural base.  This would be a great time for you to go on AAS because you could blow up lean especially if hgh is used as well.

Deltoids are either a genetic gift or developed from AAS, as are most muscles actually, but deltoids especially.  You just are not gonna have 3 dimensional, capped, wide delts without some AAS.  Some products like EQ are even known for their ability to cup your delts.

For your next round of photos, Ill tell you like I told t-bombz, shave!  You will be surprised at how much better you will look with a shave and a tan.

Also, good natural legs.  You have no "gut" btw, that's in your head, prob from the amount of food you are trying to ea in order to grow, but sadly growth will be limited for you as long as yòu remain natural.

[purenaturalstrength]

Good build foot muscle shape and genetics
Do not listen to all the usual idiots who talk about drugs this forum thanks to gh15 and a couple of of othe morons has become one big steroid board.
No you love working out right?
And you plan to keep going till your old or otherwise?
Keep going at it natural just like I have
After a period of time you will get the physique you want and your goals will change
I started out with 13 inch arms but back then no one wats watching people only see and start to envy you after you have achieved something.
Good physique .. Muscle insertions and shape.

What I like about these steroid talkers is that they are not lying like a lot of bodybuilding writers on bb.com or t-nation with their fake natural stories attributed to supplements and "chinese training" methods as I call it (weird awkward training approaches, just for the sake of misleading the attention away from the drugs)


Since you seem to be a long time natural, you must be aware of "Stuart McRobert" and his writings "Beyond Brawn", do you think I can learn everything about bodybuilding I need to know in this book, or do you recommend some other thing? Or basically stick to simple 5x5 type routines (glenn pendley bill star) like I'm doing currently and eat lots?

On top of what do you think is the proper diet for natural? I read a book on sports nutrition by Benedict Bernadott or something and the segment on bodybuilding nutrition was radically against all you read and hear in "the culture" but maybe that means they're actually right like Stuart McRobert who also says the opposite of the mainstream


I have a hard time reading mcrobert tho because he is so repetitive and while i agree with pretty much everything he says i cant put together what exactly he suggests to do, so i just do the 5x5 type routines for their simplicity and lift heavy idea

a lot of questions lol^^^^


thanks

[SF1900]

Solid build 

[mesmorph78]

What I like about these steroid talkers is that they are not lying like a lot of bodybuilding writers on bb.com or t-nation with their fake natural stories attributed to supplements and "chinese training" methods as I call it (weird awkward training approaches, just for the sake of misleading the attention away from the drugs)


Since you seem to be a long time natural, you must be aware of "Stuart McRobert" and his writings "Beyond Brawn", do you think I can learn everything about bodybuilding I need to know in this book, or do you recommend some other thing? Or basically stick to simple 5x5 type routines (glenn pendley bill star) like I'm doing currently and eat lots?

On top of what do you think is the proper diet for natural? I read a book on sports nutrition by Benedict Bernadott or something and the segment on bodybuilding nutrition was radically against all you read and hear in "the culture" but maybe that means they're actually right like Stuart McRobert who also says the opposite of the mainstream


I have a hard time reading mcrobert tho because he is so repetitive and while i agree with pretty much everything he says i cant put together what exactly he suggests to do, so i just do the 5x5 type routines for their simplicity and lift heavy idea

a lot of questions lol^^^^


thanks

I'm not familiar whith Stuart
In regards to diet I'm the wring guy to ask I've never dieted ever
I just eat as normal people do
Eg yesterday my. Breakfast was 2 eggs bacon beans fried dumplings
A shake after gym
My dinner was pepper steak (Jamaican style) and rice

I don't diet a lot of people have a hard time believing that but it's the truth
I'm blessed with a fast metabolism that runs I'm my family and my body puts on muscle easily
To me lifes to short to diet at the same time I don't crave unhealthy food I love balanced meals MEAT always yams or rice and I love salad and I'm good.

[purenaturalstrength]

Aww, man. Those guys who only took ph's for one cycle "and they didn't do anything" are the worst liars. haha

haha, no he took them a bunch of times, got some liver pains and then quit he said

i guess it was true because his strength and size dropped

[mass243]

"Thank god for pure natural strength"

 -Ronnie Coleman after 2000 lbs leg presses (after 800 lbs squat for two)  

[StanZoLOL]

haha, no he took them a bunch of times, got some liver pains and then quit he said

i guess it was true because his strength and size dropped

lol

I'm actually familar with McRoberts stuff btw. I like the original Brawn more than Beyond Brawn...he went a bit too crazy (like Mentzer) in avoiding overtraining in the later stuff. The original Brawn is excellent.

[purenaturalstrength]

lol

I'm actually familar with McRoberts stuff btw. I like the original Brawn more than Beyond Brawn...he went a bit too crazy (like Mentzer) in avoiding overtraining in the later stuff. The original Brawn is excellent.

I bought it when I was younger but lost it somewhere, can't really remember what he said except for aim for poundage increase in the big lifts at all costs (well except the cost of obesity or health damage)

But I can't remember what sort of routines he laid out

General ideas are good but I need some template routine to start from right

funny you mention mentzer, I watched his entire "underground seminar" on youtube and I was baffled how such a great bodybuilder could say such bizarre things like "training once every 7 days is like magic...some can tolerate even less training"

I like 5x5 type routines because they do believe in less exercise and less volume, but pretty high frequency in the big lifts and that seems to work for strength (i've totally given up on size specific routine ideas)


that's why I said ok ok I will just do this 5x5 type stuff, it looks pretty legit

[purenaturalstrength]

"Thank god for pure natural strength"

 -Ronnie Coleman after 2000 lbs leg presses (after 800 lbs squat for two)  

Yeah Ronnie Coleman is amazing. Too bad he claims to be natural and get his size from the fact he was put on the earth by God to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived. That has got to be offensive to true believers, but I am only on the fence about religion soo....

Ronnie Coleman is very funny, very strong, and without a doubt the most amazingly developed bodybuilder ever.

sooo...

[oldtimer1]

You look in great shape. Don't compare yourself to the temporary bloated drug muscle look.  Most of the guys that would criticize  wouldn't post a picture unless it was during a drug cycle.  They also wouldn't post a picture three months off the juice cause it would look like they never touched a weight in their life.

Everyone who juices thinks they are a training guru.  I wonder why they are not a guru off drugs?