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BILL ANVIL

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2011, 10:10:56 AM »
Im sure Poundstone could bench more if he trained for it, but bench press is pretty pointless in his line of work. Guy trains for pulling heavy shit, not pushing it

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2011, 10:11:04 AM »
I saw "The Unbelievable" when it first came out, and up to this point you're the only one I've ever heard make a claim for Ronnie using fake weights. That's including message boards, people I've talked to and what I see/hear in the video.

I never once thought those were fake weights. The sound of them hitting the ground, or him struggling with them at the end of the set is enough for me and apparently everyone else that has seen the video to say they are not fake.

they are not fake

i wonder how anyone can belive this

i mean 200 isn t impossible, look at cormier, he did 5 reps to and he was not 70percent of ronnie s muscle diameters

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2011, 10:21:24 AM »

i think he could move 300 for a couple reps maybe


Absolutely not.

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2011, 10:24:06 AM »
Poundstone took those DB's himself, while Ronnie had a humptie dumptie man for that. His ROM is almost 100%, while Ronnie's were about 50-60%

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2011, 10:24:09 AM »
they are not fake

i wonder how anyone can belive this

i mean 200 isn t impossible, look at cormier, he did 5 reps to and he was not 70percent of ronnie s muscle diameters

I don't think they're fake. Never have. ??? ??? ???

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2011, 10:25:11 AM »
who knows... stan inclined 250's for reps...
mmmm maybe wishful thhinking
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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2011, 10:29:47 AM »

so for me ronnie is the strongest man ever, if you talk about real muscular strenght for 3+ reps

lower than 3 reps is all technique, big bones, and strong tendons ;D

Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)


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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2011, 11:04:16 AM »
Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)



i know you like fatter guys like the strongmans or powerlifters

maybe you are fat also

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2011, 11:07:24 AM »
Would have loved to know the stack Ronnie was on when he did those numbers. Crazy lifting all the way.

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2011, 11:16:27 AM »
Can someone explain to me how these guys get the db up on their knee without their shoulder popping loose? I use the heaviest dbs in my gym (140s) and i have to have help putting them on my knees. Everytime i swing it forward i feel like my shoulder is going to rip loose. Maybe its because of my bird joints and it will be a problem ill always have. Anything past 120 i need help with.

140 is some heavy weight

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2011, 11:19:09 AM »
Yes, Ronnie was/(still is) a very, VERY strong individual.

Him and Poundstone, at Coleman's biggest, are roughly the same size.

Everyone has his favored lifts. Poundstone is a pulling MACHINE. Deadlifts way more than Ronnie ever could. Derek is a freak on most every lift, although he doesn't put too, too much emphasis on benching crazy amounts of weight.

Ronnie's dumbell pressing strength doesn't fully equate to flat barbell bench, as well. He presses, at his best, what, five or so reps with five plates? I mean, this is still fantastic, but not what one would think when he smashes up 200s in dumbell exercises.


we don't know how much Ronnie could deadlift, because all we saw was Ronnie deadlifting 5 weeks out from the Mr. Olympia...look at Ronnie there. Poundstone in his life has never been in that condition nor that depleted. And that is a 5 week out Ronnie, and we are not talking about for any old contest. This was Mr. O, if Ronnie had hurt himself, he would have been out of the contest, and it would have like 98 all over again.

That is what amazes me. Ronnie did all these lifts 5 weeks out, when othes would have done moderate weights...as they would be generally weaker as they progressively diet.

But, as Shawn Ray said of Dorian, what made Ronnie, broke Ronnie.

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2011, 11:22:01 AM »

But, as Shawn Ray said of Dorian, what made Ronnie, broke Ronnie.

Agreed!  If he had went "light weight, baby!" in 06, he had #9 in the bank. 

anyway, the phil heath era is upon us.  Wow!  ::)

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2011, 11:23:56 AM »
They're not fake.

And to the jackass who claims 200s aren't heavy for a man Ronnie's size, please, just shut your mouth. Strength isn't linear. Greater and greater poundage requires greater and greater size and horsepower, if you will. Smaller increments, in other words, require proportionately greater strength capacities.

Fools need to shut their mouths when a subject is out of their depth if knowledge.

Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude. 

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)


LMFAO!!! I like this guy. ;D
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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2011, 11:47:22 AM »
Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)



With regard to your question about this board as quoted above.  It's due to the fact that bodybuilding is all about looking strong.  Strongman and powerlifting are about being strong.  Of course I am neither of these, but that doesn't negate the truth of my words. ;D

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2011, 11:49:58 AM »
Agreed!  If he had went "light weight, baby!" in 06, he had #9 in the bank. 

anyway, the phil heath era is upon us.  Wow!  ::)

Def, if he had listened to his body...with all that shit with is back...he'd be okay. He couldn't do like Levrone and tear a tri and lag and come up big at the O, Ronnie had to WIN the O.

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2011, 12:08:20 PM »
most strong men dont even bench its not really needed for the events

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2011, 12:45:30 PM »
Can someone explain to me how these guys get the db up on their knee without their shoulder popping loose? I use the heaviest dbs in my gym (140s) and i have to have help putting them on my knees. Everytime i swing it forward i feel like my shoulder is going to rip loose. Maybe its because of my bird joints and it will be a problem ill always have. Anything past 120 i need help with.

Wimp, I'd always do them by myself until 3 years ago when I had a small tare on my bi from kicking the 130s up but my left arm went out to the side and put all the weight on my bicep, ouch

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2011, 01:40:56 PM »
Poundstone took those DB's himself, while Ronnie had a humptie dumptie man for that. His ROM is almost 100%, while Ronnie's were about 50-60%

This is incorrect. Watch the two videos. No way is Ronnie's movement 50-60% of Poundstones. Pretty comparible in fact. Except Ronnie does more than twice as much.

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2011, 02:01:14 PM »
This is incorrect. Watch the two videos. No way is Ronnie's movement 50-60% of Poundstones a max ROM. Pretty comparible in fact. Except Ronnie does more than twice as much.

More like this. Poundstone's ROM is about 90%.

Apart from this, when I see his other vids, it seems that Poundstone is more into barbell work. On a regular BP Derek is prob stronger than Ronnie, so it's all relative. 

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2011, 02:34:45 PM »
Ronnie faked nothing with the weights...all legit.  Accept it and move on.

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2011, 03:49:56 PM »
Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)


Seriously bro, his statement is not that far off, although I agree with you he certainly isn't the strongest, but I think he could have been if he trained for powerlifting instead of bodybuilding.
800 lb Deads for 2 reps when the world record at the time was only 925 and with very low bodyfat. Put thirty pounds of water and fat and have him focus on deads for 6 months religiously, he could have easily smashed the 925 world record.

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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2011, 03:50:55 PM »
Wimp, I'd always do them by myself until 3 years ago when I had a small tare on my bi from kicking the 130s up but my left arm went out to the side and put all the weight on my bicep, ouch
Hahahahah EXACTLY my friend. That is what im trying to avoid. Everytime i sling those things on my knees i feel the strain and i think how do those guys fucking do that without hurting themselves.

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2011, 03:53:04 PM »
Hahahahah EXACTLY my friend. That is what im trying to avoid. Everytime i sling those things on my knees i feel the strain and i think how do those guys fucking do that without hurting themselves.
Keep the DB as close to your body as possible. And I like to rock a little bit to gain extra momentum when I fling them up off the knee.
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« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2011, 04:15:15 PM »
Keep the DB as close to your body as possible. And I like to rock a little bit to gain extra momentum when I fling them up off the knee.
It isn't the flinging from the knee that hurts. I am fine with that. It is actually getting them on the knee that hurts because the dumbells are so long that you have to swing them out. I'll bend over and pick them up and be standing with them and then i have about half a foot length of DB to swing onto my knee before i can sit down with it. Maybe if i actually kick my leg backwards as i swing the db forward?

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Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2011, 04:20:15 PM »
It isn't the flinging from the knee that hurts. I am fine with that. It is actually getting them on the knee that hurts because the dumbells are so long that you have to swing them out. I'll bend over and pick them up and be standing with them and then i have about half a foot length of DB to swing onto my knee before i can sit down with it. Maybe if i actually kick my leg backwards as i swing the db forward?
I just lean far enough to one side to keep the db off my body and swing it until it has enough momentum and swing them onto the front of my leg, usually 2-3 swings.

The other option is to rerack after each set and place the bench directly in front of the db's you are using so you can put them on your quads as you unrack them.
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