Example of a good natural, 7-8 years of training maybe more

[nosleep]

THANKS MAN.

NOW GET ON HORMONES.

TBOMBZ GET OFF THE DANTA STYLE.
ASSOLE GET ON HORMONES.

[kiwiol]

I admitted I was delusional about that.

Man I do not know what happened to you but you appear to have very gotten bitter and angry recently. I do not know the natural limits for people. Only thing I know is my own limits and capabilities and I know I am not the most gifted natural lifter in the world so why wouldn't there be people bigger/stronger than me.

Lots of people however on this board think that they are the absolute pinnacle of human genetics for lifting weights. The human body is an amazing thing and the natural variances that occur withing the species is insane. There are Giants nearly 9' tall and midgets barely over 2' tall. There are tribes of 4'6 pygmies and tribes of 6'6 males all on the same land mass.

Not everyone is destined to look exactly the same. At similar heights Muhammad Ali and Arnold were about 15lbs apart in weight yet think how different they looked man.

Lots of people take gear and do not turn into teh supermen they think they will and become bitter. Changes are you are either NOT the amazing physical specimen you believe you are and have been told or the stuff you are taking is watered down - A drug dealer sold you it after all remember. Probaly both.

Great post, big G.

[flinstones1]

N0 Y0U'RE WR0NG. ANY0NE CAN BE BIG AND FAT. N0T EVERY0NE CAN BE MUSCULAR AND LEAN. BIG DIFFERENCE. WHAT ARE Y0U G0ING T0 C0MPLIMENT A BIG GUY WITH A HIGH B0DY FAT PERCENTAGE 0N? HEY MAN L00KING G00D. Y0U'RE L00KING PUFFY AND SM00TH. N0 0NE CARES AB0UT BIG AND FAT GUYS.

When did I say "big and fat" you fucking retard. Fat does not mean muscle. And if being "huge and fat" (huge being muscle) then why don't you go do it?

pictures of dave tate who is not even a bodybuilder he is a powerlifter. Afterall it's very easy to build this kind of size right  assbruise?


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[flinstones1]

[asbrus]

When did I say "big and fat" you fucking retard. Fat does not mean muscle. And if being "huge and fat" (huge being muscle) then why don't you go do it?

pictures of dave tate who is not even a bodybuilder he is a powerlifter. Afterall it's very easy to build this kind of size right  assbruise?


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P0UT P0UT. CRY S0ME M0RE N0W. Y0U D0 REALIZE HE'S LIKE 8 PERCENT IN THE BEL0W PIC.

[j3di3]

lol, the t-nation site is full of lies.

i bet he got looking like that taking some quality biotest supplements 

i love their articles but you have to take them with a grain of salt. dave tate obviously didn't get looking like that from eating rice and chicken all day long.

same for CT in his transformational article a few years back. god i cant believe i read that article and actually thought that my fat ass would get looking like that in 10 weeks 

[flinstones1]

lol, the t-nation site is full of lies.

i bet he got looking like that taking some quality biotest supplements 

i love their articles but you have to take them with a grain of salt. dave tate obviously didn't get looking like that from eating rice and chicken all day long.

same for CT in his transformational article a few years back. god i cant believe i read that article and actually thought that my fat ass would get looking like that in 10 weeks 

haha you read that too!? IT was some carb cycling bullshit right?

[flinstones1]

P0UT P0UT. CRY S0ME M0RE N0W. Y0U D0 REALIZE HE'S LIKE 8 PERCENT IN THE BEL0W PIC.

yes, I can see taht wow you are retarted did you not see the other two pics?

[apply85]

why you posting pics of a fat slob is a bette question

[biff]

I really don't undertand what it is with getbig's obsession with being lean.  Anyone can go on a diet for 8 weeks and get shredded, that doesn't get my respect. Growing your muscles huge, that is an impressive feat and anyone who lifts weights knows how hard 1 pound of muscle is to come by and the work it involves. I can only imagine how hard it gets once you reach "freak" size fuck that must take an insane amount of drugs.   I remember when Groink was bulking and got to  270 and pretty smooth... everyone was giving him shit years ago...well who's laughing now?  you guys remember Dave Tate? people on here called him a "Fat fuck" behind his back all the time lol.  Did you see him after working with Trop for 10 weeks ?   Same with gh15 whats his deal with wanting to be lean all the time. I remember years ago he told us to eat some soup and gain some bf so we could work heavy on lots of deca and dbol and not worry about bf too much just grow grow grow and live by the scale.     not no more now its all gh tren eq grow lean and stay at 6% year round.  "Getbig" lol this place has turned into "getpretty"

we talk about 'leanness' or more accurately, 'lean weight' because it helps measure what kind of gains you really made. i could eat pizza and mcdonalds all day, gain 20 pounds and talk about my 'gains' - but it would not be all muscle, not by a long shot. bulking up then leaning out to the same bodyfat, but being heavier than previous is what real gains are. its the basis of this natural limits discussion. example: 5'8"-165-6% "lol thats bullshit, im 5'8"-190" "whats your bodyfat" "15%" etc. etc.

[asbrus]

yes, I can see taht wow you are retarted did you not see the other two pics?

Y0U'RE SAYING WHY IS EVERY0NE 0N GETBIG 0BSESSED AB0UT BEING LEAN AND THAT BEING BIG AND SM00TH IS 0KAY.S0 THEN Y0U P0ST A PIC 0F DAVE TATE AT 8 PERCENT T0 PR0VE Y0UR P0INT. Y0U D0N'T KN0W EVEN KN0W WHAT THE FUCK Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT. Y0U'RE C0NFUSED.

[flinstones1]

Y0U'RE SAYING WHY IS EVERY0NE 0N GETBIG 0BSESSED AB0UT BEING LEAN AND THAT BEING BIG AND SM00TH IS 0KAY.S0 THEN Y0U P0ST A PIC 0F DAVE TATE AT 8 PERCENT T0 PR0VE Y0UR P0INT. Y0U D0N'T KN0W EVEN KN0W WHAT THE FUCK Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT. Y0U'RE C0NFUSED.

dude are you still arguing with me on this? YES I SEE DAVE IS AT LEAST 8% in that picture with the drink in his hand, I meant to upload the other two pics (where he is fat as fuck) but the order of the pics came out wrong.  Figured most would be able to catch on to that , apparently not,   idiot

[flinstones1]

these are the ones I meant to post "first". kapeesh?

[Jaime]

Nice posts Ursus, i completely agree.

[Stavios]

Nice posts Ursus, i completely agree.

Ok no offense to Ursus, but he is the guy that said that his goal was to look like this picture below naturally, and that it was perfectly possible for a natural who has good genetics 

I hope that makes you reconsider Ursus's opinions on what a natural can or cannot do ( no offence, ursus)

[Overload]

He's obviously natural Stavios, he told me so.

[Ursus]

Ok no offense to Ursus, but he is the guy that said that his goal was to look like this picture below naturally, and that it was perfectly possible for a natural who has good genetics 

I hope that makes you reconsider Ursus's opinions on what a natural can or cannot do ( no offence, ursus)

Yes it was my goal back when I was young and delusional - I said I would 'strive' for that physique and I foolishly said "I'll come pretty damn close naturally" WRONG

However

I am a lean (ish) 260lbs with reasonable strength and decent shape naturally. There is no reason why someone my height and bodyfat could not be 270lbs naturally. I am NOT the most gifted natural at all.

If I recall you take steroids and GH therefore YOU are not in a position to advise what a natural can or cannot do either. (No offence Stavios)

[Jaime]

Ok no offense to Ursus, but he is the guy that said that his goal was to look like this picture below naturally, and that it was perfectly possible for a natural who has good genetics 

I hope that makes you reconsider Ursus's opinions on what a natural can or cannot do ( no offence, ursus)

Honest mistake by Ursus. i dont know what the limits are but i would prefer to approach it from a perspective of there being a pretty high ceiling.

From personal experience i have seen huge variables in regards to most things in life and i dont think bodybuilding is greatly different to that. As i said before there are weight ceilings but as to the visual appearance of that weight, it going to vary hugely. Think of how different a pro looks when waterlogged compared to when dried out. Something so small makes a huge difference visually.

[asbrus]

WHILE THERE ARE STATS THAT CANN0T BE ACHEIVED NATURALLY. I'VE CAME T0 THE C0NCLUSI0N THAT M0ST GETBIGGERS HAVE NEVER REACHED THEIR NATURAL MAX AND HAVE N0 IDEA H0W T0 TRAIN PR0PERLY.

[Stavios]

Yes it was my goal back when I was young and delusional - I said I would 'strive' for that physique and I foolishly said "I'll come pretty damn close naturally" WRONG

However

I am a lean (ish) 260lbs with reasonable strength and decent shape naturally. There is no reason why someone my height and bodyfat could not be 270lbs naturally. I am NOT the most gifted natural at all.

If I recall you take steroids and GH therefore YOU are not in a position to advise what a natural can or cannot do either. (No offence Stavios)

i won't argue your natural status because it doesn't matter. When in real life ( and i have been training for a few years now) i will see someone who is bigger than me at the same bodyfat while being natural, then i'll believe it. It won't happen by the way
i not bitter i just think you guys are delusional. You are all claiming top amateurs stats on this board. I am honest about what i use and you seem to have a problem with that but it's funny you think i have shit genetic and in real life people who actually know something about bodybuilding tell me.otherwise (and they know what i take)

[asbrus]

Yes it was my goal back when I was young and delusional - I said I would 'strive' for that physique and I foolishly said "I'll come pretty damn close naturally" WRONG

However

I am a lean (ish) 260lbs with reasonable strength and decent shape naturally.There is no reason why someone my height and bodyfat could not be 270lbs naturally.

If I recall you take steroids and GH therefore YOU are not in a position to advise what a natural can or cannot do either. (No offence Stavios)

[Stavios]

Everyone makes mistakes man.  Don't let them get to you. 

I would rather believe anything is possible than to set such narrow minded limits like most of the people here do.  The first step of achieving anything in this life is believing it is achievable.  Those who don't believe will never even try.  Most of the people on here think that a natural can't achieve anything, therefore they give up and turn to drugs as the answer.  When drugs don't work, its genetics, and so on. 

Yes, but come one now no one in his right mine would believe this guy is natural.

not me.
not you.
not a 13 years old kid who knows nothing about training.
not a 60 years old ironager

everybody would say it's impossible to look like this without drug.

[gh15]

shwo em a damn pic of the goudy fella iwill tell you if he is natural ,, make sure you show 2 diff pictures ,, please no special lights do me a favoru,, actualy doesnt matter yuo canput xmass lights wotn mater,, just put 2 pictures so i can see

gh15 approved

[Jaime]

i won't argue your natural status because it doesn't matter. When in real life ( and i have been training for a few years now) i will see someone who is bigger than me at the same bodyfat while being natural, then i'll believe it. It won't happen by the way
i not bitter i just think you guys are delusional. You are all claiming top amateurs stats on this board. I am honest about what i use and you seem to have a problem with that but it's funny you think i have shit genetic and in real life people who actually know something about bodybuilding tell me.otherwise (and they know what i take)

Yo have a good structure but given your time on hormones you do seem to have trouble holding lean muscle. I have seen natty's who carry a lot of muscle, not 260lb no lol but a lot of muscle with stand out bodyparts. I sit between you and Ursus with my view points tbh. There are definate limits size wise as a natty. But overall look and build is dictated by genetics of which there is a wide variance. That guy you posted would carry about a stone extra muscle upperbody if he were gifted, or at least look like he did.

[Ursus]

i won't argue your natural status because it doesn't matter. When in real life ( and i have been training for a few years now) i will see someone who is bigger than me at the same bodyfat while being natural, then i'll believe it. It won't happen by the way
i not bitter i just think you guys are delusional. You are all claiming top amateurs stats on this board. I am honest about what i use and you seem to have a problem with that but it's funny you think i have shit genetic and in real life people who actually know something about bodybuilding tell me.otherwise (and they know what i take)

I have never said you have shit genetics. I think you have a very good physique.

Was I silly to make a claim like I did back in 08? Indeed.

Am I silly to think that I will not add another 10lbs to my frame at the same bodyfat in the next 15 years? Nope. You forget I am over 6'3 and not overly lean.

I am not anti-steroids but rather pro-natural. I have not and will not take steroids or pro-hormones. Am I claiming top natural status? Nope. Far from it honestly I have no idea what I would look like at 5% and the amount of weight I would lose etc

Being delusional is only kidding yourself. Being bitter is only hurting yourself.