Example of a good natural, 7-8 years of training maybe more

[Tito24]

how can small be great?

[Stavios]

how can small be great?

no size, no life

[CalvinH]

no size, no life

To thin to win,to light to fight

[asbrus]

  It is amazing the low expectation of most Getbiggers. I could put on at least 40 lbs of muscle on anyone here naturally. I am an expert on physiology and kinesiology.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

THIS

[Stavios]

THIS

[gh15]

how can small be great?

small can be greatif it is conditioned ...ofcourse it can not win a national show,, but small can be great if it is conditioned size,, it can ,, iworked with many smaller fellas 165lb conditioned,, theylooked real real good ,, ofcourse with shirt on yuo woudlnt think they touched weights lol well this is exaguration ..since you can tell how lean they are and yuo can see muscle moving on theback and elsewhere...but over all conditioned size is good at any weight that is in balance with yuor height,,

ofcourse 140lb 5'11 will not look good no matter what ,, no matter how condition you wil be140lb 5'11 is just too thin too skinny or thin depends on the build of thefella

gh15 approved

[Trev]

small can be greatif it is conditioned ...ofcourse it can not win a national show,, but small can be great if it is conditioned size,, it can ,, iworked with many smaller fellas 165lb conditioned,, theylooked real real good ,, ofcourse with shirt on yuo woudlnt think they touched weights lol well this is exaguration ..since you can tell how lean they are and yuo can see muscle moving on theback and elsewhere...but over all conditioned size is good at any weight that is in balance with yuor height,,

ofcourse 140lb 5'11 will not look good no matter what ,, no matter how condition you wil be140lb 5'11 is just too thin too skinny or thin depends on the build of thefella

gh15 approved

I agree with you 100%  (makes a change doesn't it?!  )

[Jaime]

nope, someone with good genetics for mass will be slightly bigger and also fatter

diet him down with no drugs and he would look pretty much like the guy I posted

He doesnt carry muscle well, lacks seperation, shape and condition.

I have seen far better naturals, true naturals. No you wont be 250 lb, its illusion and this guy doesnt have the genetics to create much of an illusion.

Lol at this guy being the pinnacle of natty training. Just accept that some people are more gifted than others, the same can be said with drug usage.

There is a cutoff with weight though granted. But no two 200lb guys will look exaxtly alike and thats where the individual traits come in.

[asbrus]

H But no two 200lb guys will look exaxtly alike and thats where the individual traits come in.

THIS I AGREE.

[BiGHer]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh where to begin on this one...

Stavios, thanks for displaying a true natural.  This is what most every and all naturals look like who train hard, but aren't necessarily dieting, but keeping their everyday look.

Next, why is it that every natural must post a picture with the best light, at some awkard angle, which usually does not display their entire physique??  I understand you want to show yourself looking at your best, but to then take that and compare it to how you really look on a day to day like the pic Stav posted is ridiculous.

PureNaturalStrength, thank you for your thread.  That is what a good natural looks like without overdisplaying yourself or over emphasizing only your good body parts.

Suckmymuscle... do you realize what 40 lbs of muscle is?  Not water, not fat, but natural lean muscle mass???  I hung around 210 at about 12% bf when I was natural.  I highly doubt you could have added 40 lbs of natural lean muscle mass to that physique.  You claim 40 lbs AT LEAST naturally on ANYONE here though... don't be stupid.

[biff]

a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.

how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso

1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.

2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"

3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.

4- CLEAN, the tough one.

im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.

[asbrus]

a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.

how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso

1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.

2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"

3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.

4- CLEAN, the tough one.

im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.

I STARTED AT 155 LBS 5 11 AND PUT 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE DRUG FREE IN 3 YEARS 0F TRAINING. DURING THIS TIME I WAS ALS0 G0ING THR0UGH A GR0WTH SPURT AS I WAS 17 WHEN I STARTED.  NATURALS MAX 0UT AFTER 2-3 YEARS. THEY D0N'T KEEP MAKING GAINS YEAR AFTER YEAR. PAST THE 3RD YEAR, Y0U CAN GET STR0NGER BUT N0T BIGGER.

[purenaturalstrength]

even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.

it cannot be done, 10lbs tops

[asbrus]

it cannot be done, 10lbs tops

L0L. EDIT THAT. IF Y0U MEAN AFTER THE THE INITIAL 2-3 YEAR STAGE THEN I AGREE.

[Trev]

a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.

how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso

1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.

2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"

3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.

4- CLEAN, the tough one.

im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.

When I got married at 24 I was 13st 2. I was 14st 12 at the same bodyfat (12-15%) 16 years later last year.

[Stavios]

a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.

how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso

1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.

2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"

3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.

4- CLEAN, the tough one.

im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.

haha I like this question

this is me in 2005 on the left

2008 on the right

that is a 15 lbs gain, in 3 years !

now in 2001 I would be about 15 lbs bigger than the picture on the right

so ON DRUGS, I gain about 5 lbs a year

[AlphaMaleDawg]

5'10, about 180 lbs

lean but not that lean

impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women  

nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal

most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine


that = natural physique

put that in your blunt and smoke it

this exactly describes me to a T before I started juicing. same stats and everything. Couldn't be any more accurate

[biff]

I STARTED AT 155 LBS 5 11 AND PUT 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE DRUG FREE IN 3 YEARS 0F TRAINING. DURING THIS TIME I WAS ALS0 G0ING THR0UGH A GR0WTH SPURT AS I WAS 17 WHEN I STARTED.  NATURALS MAX 0UT AFTER 2-3 YEARS. THEY D0N'T KEEP MAKING GAINS YEAR AFTER YEAR. PAST THE 3RD YEAR, Y0U CAN GET STR0NGER BUT N0T BIGGER.

yes thats why i said "not during puberty" or "not newbie gains", i personally went from 150 to 175 over 3-4 years, but it was newb growth and in my late teens to around 21 - a time when anyone with testicles can grow. im asking about REAL gains.

[asbrus]

yes thats why i said "not during puberty" or "not newbie gains", i personally went from 150 to 175 over 3-4 years, but it was newb growth and in my late teens to around 21 - a time when anyone with testicles can grow. im asking about REAL gains.

WELL THEY'RE STILL REAL GAINS BECAUSE THE WEIGHT TRAINING PUT M0ST 0F THE WEIGHT 0N. IF I NEVER LIFTED I'D BE AR0UND 160 LBS. 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE LESS THAN WHAT I AM N0W.

[biff]

When I got married at 24 I was 13st 2. I was 14st 12 at the same bodyfat (12-15%) 16 years later last year.

excellent, thats about 15 pounds gained? were you relatively the same leaness? also, had you been working out consistently before the age of 24?

[Trev]

yes thats why i said "not during puberty" or "not newbie gains", i personally went from 150 to 175 over 3-4 years, but it was newb growth and in my late teens to around 21 - a time when anyone with testicles can grow. im asking about REAL gains.

Exactly. I started training as an 10 and a half stone skinny teenager but used my example from age 24.

[Trev]

haha I like this question

this is me in 2005 on the left

2008 on the right

that is a 15 lbs gain, in 3 years !

now in 2001 I would be about 15 lbs bigger than the picture on the right

so ON DRUGS, I gain about 5 lbs a year

Sounds about right. 5 pounds a year on drugs and 1-2 pounds a year natural (of pure muscle)

[biff]

WELL THEY'RE STILL REAL GAINS BECAUSE THE WEIGHT TRAINING PUT M0ST 0F THE WEIGHT 0N. IF I NEVER LIFTED I'D BE AR0UND 160 LBS. 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE LESS THAN WHAT I AM N0W.

how much have you gained since this initial spurt? (no homo)

[Overload]

He doesnt carry muscle well, lacks seperation, shape and condition.

I have seen far better naturals, true naturals. No you wont be 250 lb, its illusion and this guy doesnt have the genetics to create much of an illusion.

Post a picture of what you believe the natural limit is.

It's hard to know who a "true" natural is because the only person who really knows is the person in question. It is possible to use certain steroids and not look like it. 90% of the "natural" pictures i see on the internet are not of natural lifters, but again the only person who knows the truth is the person in question.

It better not be Layne Norton.

Also, it's impossible to gain more than 5 pounds of solid muscle a year for a lifter who has been training for more than a year.

[asbrus]

how much have you gained since this initial spurt? (no homo)

I'M CURRENTLY 5 11 180. I'D PR0BABLY BE 160 LBS RIGHT N0W IF I NEVER LIFTED.