Example of a good natural, 7-8 years of training maybe more

[Trev]

excellent, thats about 15 pounds gained? were you relatively the same leaness? also, had you been working out consistently before the age of 24?

24 pounds matey in 16 years. Started at 15 when a very skinny 10 and half stone. I am now experimenting to see how lean I can get and hold this condition ala Clarence bass!

[purenaturalstrength]

L0L. EDIT THAT. IF Y0U MEAN AFTER THE THE INITIAL 2-3 YEAR STAGE THEN I AGREE.

I mean after that stage yes

[apply85]

why do people give adonis credit for being natural in those pics ;[

[Stavios]

why do people give adonis credit for being natural in those pics ;[

don't like arguing 

[biff]

24 pounds matey in 16 years. Started at 15 when a very skinny 10 and half stone. I am now experimenting to see how lean I can get and hold this condition ala Clarence bass!

heh thats the worst part, you work so hard to build every ounce natural, but to lean out you have to sacrifice so much it seems not worth it almost.

good luck.

[asbrus]

don't like arguing 

HE SAID HE STARTED 0UT AT 5 8 110 LBS. HE THINKS EVERY0NE IS 0N R0IDS.

[Trev]

heh thats the worst part, you work so hard to build every ounce natural, but to lean out you have to sacrifice so much it seems not worth it almost.

good luck.

Yeh but you can take lay offs for weeks if you need too and not lose any muscle when natural.
Thanks. I am losing slowly, just like with the building of it, I am in no hurry, I am lean enough to start with that any lost is just progress. Aiming to lose just 1 to 1.5 pounds of fat a week.

[BiGHer]

haha I like this question

this is me in 2005 on the left

2008 on the right

that is a 15 lbs gain, in 3 years !

now in 2001 I would be about 15 lbs bigger than the picture on the right

so ON DRUGS, I gain about 5 lbs a year

Stav, the photo on the right is 3 years old... is this the last time you competed?  You look awesome bro.  When are you going to step on stage again, I gotta assume you look leaps and bounds better now 3 years later!

[Stavios]

Stav, the photo on the right is 3 years old... is this the last time you competed?  You look awesome bro.  When are you going to step on stage again, I gotta assume you look leaps and bounds better now 3 years later!

yeah it was from 2008 !

I am not much better but I am bigger for sure

I was 193 at my last show

here are 2 pictures from this year


one is at 223 lbs and the fatter one I was a bit over 240

I am around 240 at the moment

[njflex]

yeah it was from 2008 !

I am not much better but I am bigger for sure

I was 193 at my last show

here are 2 pictures from this year


one is at 223 lbs and the fatter one I was a bit over 240

I am around 240 at the moment

big dude,look good both pics,diet that look on stage 10lbs heavier than few yrs ago look out.

[Stavios]

Keep the hair stav, balds no good.

everybody guy tell me that and every woman tell me I look hotter without hair  

I look better without the goatee thought, I shaved it and I keep a 2 days beard instead

[Overload]

Bald head + Goatee = Typical thug douchebag look

Full head of hair + clean face = Sophisticated bro-scientist look

You know what to do brother. 

[Stavios]

Bald head + Goatee = Typical thug douchebag look

Full head of hair + clean face = Sophisticated bro-scientist look

You know what to do brother. 

full head of hair plus clean face looks very bad on me I look like a kid (see pictures from my show  )

[david94]

I didn't read the 3 last pages but the guy in the first page looks like a poo for 7 years of training, even though he is natural.

[RC Money]

Thats the problem you see, the line becomes blurred when talking about gifted naturals who have put time in.

Of course drug users and guys wih bad genetics dont want to admit what can be achieved because its a closed door to them.

QFT

[RC Money]

I STARTED AT 155 LBS 5 11 AND PUT 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE DRUG FREE IN 3 YEARS 0F TRAINING. DURING THIS TIME I WAS ALS0 G0ING THR0UGH A GR0WTH SPURT AS I WAS 17 WHEN I STARTED.  NATURALS MAX 0UT AFTER 2-3 YEARS. THEY D0N'T KEEP MAKING GAINS YEAR AFTER YEAR. PAST THE 3RD YEAR, Y0U CAN GET STR0NGER BUT N0T BIGGER.

Exact science huh?

[mesmorph78]

I have a pretty good conception of what can be attained naturally because the naturals who have been training for a few years all come to me at the gym to ask me: BRO ! What am I doing wrong, why have I looked the same for a while

and they are all the same approximative size.

all of them

and I tell to all of them: if you want to be bigger than that just take roids

because that's the truth

and your concept of what can be achieved applies to 5+ billion people??
 

[asbrus]

Exact science huh?

IF IT WASN'T THE CASE WE'D SEE NATURALS WALKING AR0UND AT 300 LBS 0F MUSCLE MASS 0FF SEAS0N. R0ID USERS PUT 0N 5 LBS 0F MUSCLE EVERY YEAR N0T NATURALS.

[Bobby]

http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ross,+Clarence

picture from 40s or early 50s

This being a good example of a what natural can achieve at best, if genetics, diet, training is optimal
5'9" 185 lean probably 175 contest shape

Fits well according to gh15 guidelines too

[StanZoLOL]

Do humble dudes flex shirtless in the gym?

Only when it's a photoshoot in an empty gym...

[mesmorph78]

its been a misconception that natural guys hate on juicers.. its actually the other way around....
it seems that in a juicers mind ... whatever level he started taking drugs at is the benchmark for all natural..
and no natural can look good or better than them WRONG..... !
what does a peron who has trained let for argument sake say 2 yrs natural then took drugs.. know about every natural on Earth... guys who have been training10 20 yrs natural....    
these bards have become totally ridiculous..
anyway.... my 2 cents
...
mes out

[RC Money]

IF IT WASN'T THE CASE WE'D SEE NATURALS WALKING AR0UND AT 300 LBS 0F MUSCLE MASS 0FF SEAS0N. R0ID USERS PUT 0N 5 LBS 0F MUSCLE EVERY YEAR N0T NATURALS.

Not everyone has the same potential and you are suggesting that everyone maxes out at that 3 year figure.. not saying gains are huge, might even be barely noticible, but they add up over the years. Sure the main bulk of your size gains will come in the first 3 to 5 years but after that with consistancy one can continue to slowly gain size, strength, lose fat/while keeping muscle over the years, an generaly have a tighter more complete and impressive phsysique in the long run. After the 5 year mark I'd say the improvements are small and more fine tuning but they will be there with some work.

[RC Money]

http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ross,+Clarence

picture from 40s or early 50s

This being a good example of a what natural can achieve at best, if genetics, diet, training is optimal
5'9" 185 lean probably 175 contest shape

Fits well according to gh15 guidelines too

Why is it asumed that a rich nancy boy with nothing but time to sculpt his physique has the right genetics to be the natural epitome? Also training and nutrition were not optimal at the time imo.

[gh15]

Not everyone has the same potential and you are suggesting that everyone maxes out at that 3 year figure.. not saying gains are huge, might even be barely noticible, but they add up over the years. Sure the main bulk of your size gains will come in the first 3 to 5 years but after that with consistancy one can continue to slowly gain size, strength, lose fat/while keeping muscle over the years, an generaly have a tighter more complete and impressive phsysique in the long run. After the 5 year mark I'd say the improvements are small and more fine tuning but they will be there with some work.

it is like this ,, ill tell you how the natural mind work lol

2 year natural ,, on some protien pwoder the infamous weight gainer lol and creatine diahreeas....

then another 6 months on diff creatinethat doesnt cause diarea lol and then bcaa and what other balonieisthere ? lol ummmm bcaa and GLUTAMIN lol yes glutamine...

 and then at the 3 year mark! the true natural go to .... pro hormones! ,, he go to  pro hormones or designer steroids ...now this.... is steroids my friends,, but we forgivehim for that lol so he uses halodrol or superdrol or whatever designer REAL steroids out there....and gain his 10lb and this dont go away anywhere...he keep them so sudenly the so call true natural isno more 178lb but he is 188!  lol and he is hormonized but he is forgiven and remain natural since he did it only ....for ....7 weeks or 5 weeks so it doesnt count,,so that 8-10 lb dont count ...he is forgiven lol

thennnn in the 4 year mark the peptides come in ... lol and the esterless compounds lol ,, the peptides ofcourse are for research so it is natural ,, everyone sell them ,, look online lol every boarding has them free for everyone to use lol 40 dolaros and you got peptides who put water into muscle lol  so it is used by naturals ,,

and ofcourse on top of that ANTI ESTROGENS AND AROMATZE INHIBITOR...FOR RESEARCH USED ALL OVER BY TRUE NTURALS..

so sadly this is true natural for you today ,, some fellasdo it with out all this ...and only use some halodrol at one time and creatine,, those are the only one who are close to true naturals....

this is the truth my friends,, this si the truth!

gh15 approved

[BiGHer]

Not everyone has the same potential and you are suggesting that everyone maxes out at that 3 year figure.. not saying gains are huge, might even be barely noticible, but they add up over the years. Sure the main bulk of your size gains will come in the first 3 to 5 years but after that with consistancy one can continue to slowly gain size, strength, lose fat/while keeping muscle over the years, an generaly have a tighter more complete and impressive phsysique in the long run. After the 5 year mark I'd say the improvements are small and more fine tuning but they will be there with some work.

I agree with this, but all that work and all those years and those hours in the gym, cooking meals, making sure you do everything right, and spending money on all those pre-workouts and creatine and all that, for just minimal (barely noticeable) gains each year that if your lucky and have the genetics may compound to look decent after several years while some guy on juice for 6 months can blow your physique out of the water??  Doesn't sound worth it to me and I've been on both sides of the spectrum... 8 years natural training, 2 years sauced.