Example of a good natural, 7-8 years of training maybe more

[Howard]

only in pictures friend only in pictures,, theshape and all that isall good for pictures,, in reality yuo need the thickness that go hand andhand with condition size! you need it and you wont haveit with out hormones,,

yes some natural look good at 167 lb when they weigh in for competition ...but wil it give them the win? no it wont,, 4rth or 3rd place mr neverland,,thats whatit giv them ,, it give them maybe sense of accomplishment...did they get there naturaly? hell no they didnt,,

they used fat burners,, they used halodrol while bulking lol they use some fake aas that they were burnt with but had some hormone inside underdose.... they played the field ...no one is dumb enough to remain natural in a sea where natural = gettingno where...true natural that is ,,

dont make excuses for liars,,most naturals lie,, the ones who dont at best case scanario will be sittign 170lb 6% 5'10 they in most liklihood wont win any competition butplace somewhere in the middle lets say 3 out of 7 ...or 4 out of 8...

yuo get the idea right? good

this is thetruth fella ,, you need read nothing more..THIS IS THE TRUTH

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Do you even believe your own bullshit?
I actually laughed when I skimmed /read your last few posts.
Your "facts" on the limits of natural BB are about as credible as aliens ready to attack from uranus.
Of course if you are going to be an internet drug guru, ya gotta keep the bullshit flying.
I say, train hard with no gimmicks and eat good. THAT works and doesn't cost much.

[Stavios]

Do you even believe your own bullshit?
I actually laughed when I skimmed /read your last few posts.
Your "facts" on the limits of natural BB are about as credible as aliens ready to attack from uranus.
Of course if you are going to be an internet drug guru, ya gotta keep the bullshit flying.
I say, train hard with no gimmicks and eat good. THAT works and doesn't cost much.

how would you weight onstage as a natural Howard

[DK II]

how would you weight onstage as a natural Howard

Howard would never make it onstage because he would be too busy sucking cock backstage.

[Schmoff]

My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1''  ,195lbs

natural or not, can't tell

but it sure is gay

[Stavios]

natural or not, can't tell

but it sure is gay

[gh15]

Do you even believe your own bullshit?
I actually laughed when I skimmed /read your last few posts.
Your "facts" on the limits of natural BB are about as credible as aliens ready to attack from uranus.
Of course if you are going to be an internet drug guru, ya gotta keep the bullshit flying.
I say, train hard with no gimmicks and eat good. THAT works and doesn't cost much.

you are mentaly not right in the head friend,, this is the sad truth abotu you ,, you have no idea about bodybuild and to put you as judge shed bad light on bodybuild because you either haveno idea or simply lie! i say its a combo of both ,, there are many bodybuild aroudn the world,, no one ever argue me ,, no one of the profesionals who come here in masses,, no one of the true bodybuild ...why? because i am right,, we all been there,, we live off bodybuild,, what do yuo rthink i live off you crazy putz? what do you think i make money of? i know every single bodybuild on the cult,, i know what theybreath ,, i know how they think ,, i know what they want,, i know the secret magic formulas they plan all night long before they go to sleep,, i know thehard on they get when they about to get new product,, i know everything,,

when i say something! it is wrtten in stone,, you confuse my humour with my title god of hormones,, i suggest yuo reread bible ,, if you are slow and you are...then ask for help ,,im sure my pupils and manyof them are on musculr develop...they can help you understand the bible and help you read it ,, just ask help,, for you to come to thunderdome once in a blue moon after suckin the cock of ron harrin on  muscular develop or after prasing some other liar...for you to come here its spit in the faceof true bodybuilders,,
you are A SHAME to this cult ,, S H A M E

failed and dismissed

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[gh15]

Howard would never make it onstage because he would be too busy sucking cock backstage.

and you noticed it very early that he was not right in the coconut,,yuo noticed it first!,, i had to actualy read his balonie for some time to get it ,, i thought he was joking ,, but nono he is not all there,,took me time to get it ,, i had to see the video from olympia and other things,, fella is just abnormal

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[Howard]

how would you weight onstage as a natural Howard

1994 NPC  Louisiana Ironman   Natural 1st place hvy wt at a lean , ripped 196lbs and 5' 9.5"
The contest was drug tested and held Aug 1994 at the Centroplex in Baton Rouge, La.
I believe this was the first, last and only drug tested NPC contest ever held in Louisiana.

Unlike GH15 I used actual names , dates and places you can verify should you desire to check it out.
WITHOUT being able to verify, anyone can claim anything they want.
Pics can be photoshopped and stories can sound good, etc.
With me you can check the facts . I use actual names, dates and places.

[Howard]

and you noticed it very early that he was not right in the coconut,,yuo noticed it first!,, i had to actualy read his balonie for some time to get it ,, i thought he was joking ,, but nono he is not all there,,took me time to get it ,, i had to see the video from olympia and other things,, fella is just abnormal

gh15 approved

You never verify any claim you make. Why? because you are full of doggy doo.
You will rant and talk a good game but most of your stuff is bullshit GH15.

[Stavios]

1994 NPC  Louisiana Ironman   Natural 1st place hvy wt at a lean , ripped 196lbs and 5' 9.5"
The contest was drug tested and held Aug 1994 at the Centroplex in Baton Rouge, La.
I believe this was the first, last and only drug tested NPC contest ever held in Louisiana.

Unlike GH15 I used actual names , dates and places you can verify should you desire to check it out.
WITHOUT being able to verify, anyone can claim anything they want.
Pics can be photoshopped and stories can sound good, etc.
With me you can check the facts . I use actual names, dates and places.

picture of the 196 ripped at 5'9.5" ?

also you used drugs before that time if I remember well so that makes you "clean" at that time and not natural

[DK II]

and you noticed it very early that he was not right in the coconut,,yuo noticed it first!,, i had to actualy read his balonie for some time to get it ,, i thought he was joking ,, but nono he is not all there,,took me time to get it ,, i had to see the video from olympia and other things,, fella is just abnormal

gh15 approved

He's gullible as shit, he believes all the lies the government and everyone tells him, he wants to live in Disneyland, not in the real world.

Denying drug use in bodybuilding, denying his own homosexuality, and i won't even start with all the bullshit he wrote about politics. He makes The Coach look like a Nobel Prize winner.

[Howard]

Howard would never make it onstage because I would be too busy sucking HIS cock backstage.

Thanks for the offer but I'll pass sweety.  

[gh15]

you head him pupils! TRANI HARD AND EAT FOOD!! LOTS OF FOOD,, BECOME FATZO LIKE HIM ,, never see seperation ,, never see condition ,, never see nothing just put thewater and fat in there between skin and muscle and imagine it is size...put a nice cotton shirt to look half decnt in or button up shirt since now you have 18 inch fatzo arms so the xl button up shirtwill look tight on yoru arms and the girl you go on single date with will tell you she liek yoru arms before she get disgusted with your gello mooshie flab flab tummy boucning on herbelly button everytime you put yoru 6 inch cock into her  vagina...

if bodybuild was train hard mesomorf would be mr o now...he trsani very hard lift super heavt weights lol,, matt t was runner up mr canada right now if bodybuild was about trainnig heavy and hard,,

if bodybuild was about put as many calories in your tum tum ...you would be mr o forest,, you atleat would be mr no where to be found state you live in ,, or mr physics in yoru highschool but! yuo are none! why? because its nto the food you retard,, its not the food! nutrition is part of it,,

but if you dont shoot the trenbolona and the testsoterona and the equipona and the masterona,,you can kiss your bodybuild GOOD FUCKING BYE,,

stop selling balonieto those kids,, you get no where,, they can see through your balonie,, and been seeing through it for years,, im the one who actualy thought you had some sense...until i had time to go over your balonie ,, you are just not all there


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[DK II]

1994 NPC  Louisiana Ironman   Natural 1st place hvy wt at a lean , ripped 196lbs and 5' 9.5"
The contest was drug tested and held Aug 1994 at the Centroplex in Baton Rouge, La.
I believe this was the first, last and only drug tested NPC contest ever held in Louisiana.

Unlike GH15 I used actual names , dates and places you can verify should you desire to check it out.
WITHOUT being able to verify, anyone can claim anything they want.
Pics can be photoshopped and stories can sound good, etc.
With me you can check the facts . I use actual names, dates and places.

The point is not if it was drug tested, the point is, where you natural, "howard"?

[gh15]

You never verify any claim you make. Why? because you are full of doggy doo.
You will rant and talk a good game but most of your stuff is bullshit GH15.

says who you scambag? bring me the fella who say it,,stand him before god of hormones,, i will let him have his say before i let my hayenas tare his head off,, bring him before me i will debate him or her anytime

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[Bam-bam]

me natural after only roughly one year of gym trainin

yes I used angles and lighting in my favor

[che]

Fucking hard to say

first of all, he is not that thick, he just has a fucking AWESOME structure kinda like yourself.

second, he is a black dude

a 6'1 black dude could MAYBE look like this, I'd say he might have used some orals or prohormones

195 lbs in that condition is still heavy but he looks like he has a big frame

Congrats Stavios ,way better assessment than GH15, the picture really doesn't do him justice ,he had a huge frame .
After 3 years of working (stripping ), working out  and partying together, I found out he was using  stanozolol, he told me he was natural he even competed in natural shows , I believed him because he always looked the same and we were hanging out together everyday, I don't know why he lied to me I didn't care either way.

[Howard]

picture of the 196 ripped at 5'9.5" ?

also you used drugs before that time if I remember well so that makes you "clean" at that time and not natural

I posted the official result and passed the drug test. I had not used any drugs for 7 yrs when I took 1st at that contest.
It is waste of my time to even try to convice some of you. Your minds are made up and you need "drugs" to be reason for BB gains for whatever reason.
Sure, drugs work and no top pro can get there without 'em.
But you can make pretty good gains and enjoy the sport without drugs.
The 99% of us who workout for personal reasons never need drugs to make decent gains and be happy and healthy.

If you don't believe that, then good luck.

[Howard]

says who you scambag? bring me the fella who say it,,stand him before god of hormones,, i will let him have his say before i let my hayenas tare his head off,, bring him before me i will debate him or her anytime

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How could I ever debate a GOD? 

[Stavios]

I posted the official result and passed the drug test. I had not used any drugs for 7 yrs when I took 1st at that contest. that still matters IMO, using drugs before still changes your physique a bit and you always retain "some" size of it that you didn't have before

It is waste of my time to even try to convice some of you. Your minds are made up and you need "drugs" to be reason for BB gains for whatever reason.
You do need drugs for BB gains

Sure, drugs work and no top pro can get there without 'em.
But you can make pretty good gains and enjoy the sport without drugs.
"pretty good gains" is relative
The 99% of us who workout for personal reasons never need drugs to make decent gains and be happy and healthy.
I agree, dependind of what "decent gains" mean to you

If you don't believe that, then good luck.

[gh15]

Congrats Stavios ,way better assessment than GH15, the picture really doesn't do him justice ,he had a huge frame .
After 3 years of working (stripping ), working out  and partying together, I found out he was using  stanozolol, he told me he was natural he even competed in natural shows , I believed him because he always looked the same and we were hanging out together everyday, I don't know why he lied to me I didn't care either way.

how did i asses him? i didnt,, i just pointed to pictures you put on ,, i didnt say my opinion of him ,, ofcourse he is hormonized liek 99% of bodybuild,, 1 out of 100 is not hormonized 1 out of 100!!

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[gh15]

I posted the official result and passed the drug test. I had not used any drugs for 7 yrs when I took 1st at that contest.
It is waste of my time to even try to convice some of you. Your minds are made up and you need "drugs" to be reason for BB gains for whatever reason.
Sure, drugs work and no top pro can get there without 'em.
But you can make pretty good gains and enjoy the sport without drugs.
The 99% of us who workout for personal reasons never need drugs to make decent gains and be happy and healthy.

If you don't believe that, then good luck.

retard,, HOW DO YOU THINK PROFESIONALS GET PRO CARDS? HOW DID I GET MY PRO CARD FOREST? i got it by buildign my body via hormones,, i enhanced it for long time before hand,, it is not only top profesionals,, you need to start somewhere to get to be top profesionals,, theall damn npc is on hormones ,, theall damn npc,,with the occasional truenatural that come every once in a while to a lower level show and place 3rd..becauseh worked  his ass off and didnt have no life and ate 10 meal a day and did everything liek clock,, and he is 170lb 6% 5'10 or so ...no where near the numbes yuo spit out of yoru lieing mouth

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[Howard]

Stavios , you and the others are free to take drugs or do whatever you want.
I know what I did and that is all that matters to me.
There is no point in saying anything else. Thanks and good luck to you in your training.

[RC Money]

for example, here is another of my friend, who has GREAT genetics.

been training for about the same time as me, stay around 175-180

he bench presses more than myself who weights much more than him.

BUT, he is smaller.

Much better natty than the first one, in pictures atleast.

[che]

you and the others are free to take drugs .

You are taking drugs  right now .