Example of a good natural, 7-8 years of training maybe more

[Max B]

training natural all the time=gay

 if you're in the gym and know what you're doing and you look semi decent, go down the PED route.... theres no reason not too.. even gayer to lie about it 

[IrishMuscle84]

If that dude has been training Naturally for 7 or more years, getting on the juice would be a good idea. Sure as hell aint " cheating ". 7/8 years of training naturally is MORE than enough time.

[Max B]

by the way to the guy who posted pics of some old timers, they are not all natural some of those guys are on test or dbol (low dose)

[Stavios]

Much better natty than the first one, in pictures atleast.

agreed

but they are the same size in a t-shirt

[RC Money]

training natural all the time=gay

 if you're in the gym and know what you're doing and you look semi decent, go down the PED route.... theres no reason not too.. even gayer to lie about it  

How bout not risking any possible legal trouble or the fact that being 20 to 30 pounds heavier with less bodyfat isnt the most important thing in the world when things are put into perspective.

[Max B]

How bout not risking any possible legal trouble or the fact that being 20 to 30 pounds heavier with less bodyfat isnt the most important thing in the world when things are put into perspective.

yeah i def agree... i mean honestly I lie in person also, but i meant on here. esp if you post anonymously like the majority here... btw nice avi, hope you dont claim natty 

[RC Money]

yeah i def agree... i mean honestly I lie in person also, but i meant on here. esp if you post anonymously like the majority here... btw nice avi, hope you dont claim natty 

I do because I am 

[Max B]

me too 

[RC Money]

me too 

Cool bro, not sure what you look like so I got no referance here LoL. Keep it up bud, lets hear it for our 7 ounce a year muscle progression as nattys.

[Stavios]

How bout not risking any possible legal trouble or the fact that being 20 to 30 pounds heavier with less bodyfat isnt the most important thing in the world when things are put into perspective.

Canada for the win, no legal trouble 

[RC Money]

Canada for the win, no legal trouble 

Well here in the states we have to fear the repercussions, which then manifests itself into having higher moral levels that prevent us from stooping that low 

[Van_Bilderass]

Any pics of Howard competing? I would be very surprised if he ever was below 12% bodyfat.

Never saw any physique shots of him but I'm pretty sure his "ripped and lean" was about as ripped
as Goodrum at his shows.

He could prove me wrong but he wont. 

[gh15]

Any pics of Howard competing? I would be very surprised if he ever was below 12% bodyfat.

Never saw any physique shots of him but I'm pretty sure his "ripped and lean" was about as ripped
as Goodrum at his shows.

He could prove me wrong but he wont. 

much better than vince ffb riw ttr,, thdn again everyone is better than him ,, forest was abotu 7% if i remember corectly from the picture i saw back in the past ,,cqnt remember exactly but it was twards the mid signles maybe 8 or 7 maybe even wet 6 ...but ofcourse he was hormonized all through and just could never achieve anything because respond to hormones was average and his knowledge was balonie ,,  he was smoewherebetween 6 and 8 % from he picture saw long time ago,,ON HORMONES LIKE ANY BODYBUILD OUT THERE,,

gh15 approved

[Stavios]

much better than vince ffb riw ttr,, thdn again everyone is better than him ,, forest was abotu 7% if i remember corectly from the picture i saw back in the past ,,cqnt remember exactly but it was twards the mid signles maybe 8 or 7 maybe even wet 6 ...but ofcourse he was hormonized all through and just could never achieve anything because respond to hormones was average and his knowledge was balonie ,,  he was smoewherebetween 6 and 8 % from he picture saw long time ago,,ON HORMONES LIKE ANY BODYBUILD OUT THERE,,

gh15 approved

Yes but those pictures you saw are from shows in 1975 in the "Mr.John Travolta Grease Lightning" contest where he said he was hormonized.

but he has not posted pictures of that show in 1996 where he claims to be natural at 195 lbs

[hazbin]

i would show pics of me as a drugfree teen, but gh15 has already stated i was on prohormones even tho it was 1981.

[Stavios]

i would show pics of me as a drugfree teen, but gh15 has already stated i was on prohormones even tho it was 1981.

hey I tought you guys made peace !

[hazbin]

hey I tought you guys made peace !

ya, he hasn't been a dick to me lately, but i havent posted many pics.  i have been completely honest about everything on here, but he wouldn't believe what i used at various stages.

[gh15]

Yes but those pictures you saw are from shows in 1975 in the "Mr.John Travolta Grease Lightning" contest where he said he was hormonized.

but he has not posted pictures of that show in 1996 where he claims to be natural at 195 lbs

ohhhhhh,,ok i never payed atention to thetime of picture he just put smoe pics i remember back few years ago,, now i get it,, ok

gh15 approved

[The Grim Lifter]

After 2 years clean @18YO i got to 185 5'8' at 12% BF (tested), had my abs out even then but not the definition on the other bodyparts by a mile, the third year training i got good strength and a bit more size but that was pretty much it. Actually the size in the third year probably came off the diet i did after 2 years and after that i could not really go anywhere significant in size, only some more strength.

Once i juiced and dieted the definition was far greater all over, it would have taken years and years to get that definition so deep with good size, if the definition came ever, size or not, and i can still hold all this today with much better quality years after cleaning out. Without juice i would never have looked huge in clothes while lean, now clean i do even with low BF, i am sure people like gh15 might disagree but i never had a problem dropping actual muscle size after cleaning out, only the excess water the hormones made me hold.

Maybe if i was 220 lean at 5'8' i would have lost a lot of size, but 200 5'8' no problems with definition all over.

[Krankenstein]

ya, he hasn't been a dick to me lately, but i havent posted many pics.  i have been completely honest about everything on here, but he wouldn't believe what i used at various stages.

Yeah, that doesnt mean anything...I mean look...G4P15 can look a a pic and tell what that person had for breakfast a week prior to the pic being taken....surely he can tell when you took something or not.

[Howard]

Any pics of Howard competing? I would be very surprised if he ever was below 12% bodyfat.

Never saw any physique shots of him but I'm pretty sure his "ripped and lean" was about as ripped
as Goodrum at his shows.

He could prove me wrong but he wont. 

I had some pics up of my glory days a few years ago.
I was ok, nothing special, but at least I had good abs when on stage in shape.
It was along time ago and I was pretty average so it really doesn't matter.

[Howard]

You are taking drugs  right now .

I must be...I'm still  posting on getbig 

[apply85]

I was going to say, i think howard has a drug problem. Or alcohol

[Howard]

retard,, HOW DO YOU THINK PROFESIONALS GET PRO CARDS? HOW DID I GET MY PRO CARD FOREST? i got it by buildign my body via hormones,, i enhanced it for long time before hand,, it is not only top profesionals,, you need to start somewhere to get to be top profesionals,, theall damn npc is on hormones ,, theall damn npc,,with the occasional truenatural that come every once in a while to a lower level show and place 3rd..becauseh worked  his ass off and didnt have no life and ate 10 meal a day and did everything liek clock,, and he is 170lb 6% 5'10 or so ...no where near the numbes yuo spit out of yoru lieing mouth

gh15 approved

Yup it is all drugs, no question. Thanks for taking the time to bestow your scientific wisdom unto us who are retarded Jr HS drop outs.
I would say God bless you, but it would be like blessing YOURSELF.
If only I had heard from YOU and gotten a new BowFlex 20 yrs ago, I could have been a contender!

[dyslexic]

I must be...I'm still  posting on getbig 

You're doing "burns" with your fingers right now...