Author Topic: Latest "Blame Bush" attempt by the Far Left falls flat - Fast n Furious Scandal  (Read 1997 times)

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SF Chronicle Story Repeats AP 'Fast & Furious' Misinformation
By P.J. Gladnick | October 05, 2011 | 10:07

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Bush also did it!

Bush also did it!

That is the current talking point desperately being promoted by the Associated Press, and now picked up by the San Francisco Chronicle, to try to explain away the selling of guns to members of the Mexican drug cartel by the Obama administration. The only problem is that the Associated Press left out a key detail as pointed out by Katie Pavlich of Townhall. First the misleading claim by AP:

The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers — the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama's administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

When Bush, a Republican, was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Tucson, Ariz., used a similar enforcement tactic in a program it called Operation Wide Receiver. The fact that there were two such ATF investigations years apart in separate administrations raises the possibility that agents in still other cases may have allowed guns to "walk."

 

And now Pavlich explains how incredibly misleading that AP claim about Bush allowing guns to walk is:

The problem is, the "same tactic" under heavy criticism by the House Oversight Committee was not used under President Bush. Operation Fast and Furious started in Fall 2009 and was an offshoot of the Project Gunrunner program implemented under the Bush Administration. Project Gunrunner started as a pilot program in Laredo, Texas and went national in 2006. Project Gunrunner involved the surveillance of straw purchasers buying weapons, but those purchasers were immediately apprehended before crossing back into Mexico or tranferring arms to dangerous criminals. Shortly after Obama took office, Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw purchasers working for Mexican drug cartels to purchase mass amount of weapons in the United States and then take them back to Mexico in addition to allowing them to be lost at stash houses and tranferred to dangerous cartel members. ATF agents who have testified before Congress about the program said the idea was to "trace" those weapons, but the tracing ended up being a total failure as GPS batteries ran out and thousands of guns were lost in Mexico and only found at final violent crime scenes. Did both operations allow for straw purchasers to buy guns under ATF/DOJ surveillance? Yes, however, the key difference between Operation Fast and Furious under Obama and Project Gunrunner under Bush is that under Obama guns were allowed to go back into Mexico without interdiction or arrests. According to Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, straw purchaser arrests and prosecutions have been way down under this administration, so much so it's almost as if the Obama Justice Department has no interest in prosecuting illegal straw purchasers at all. (A straw purchaser is someone who buys guns illegally for those who cannot buy them. In this case, cartels members can't buy guns, so they hired "straw purchasers" to buy weapons for them).

So what the AP conveniently neglects to mention is that under the Bush administration, the guns were quickly apprehended BEFORE crossing the border. And now that the AP has set up a Fast & Furious excuse to pathetically explain away the Obama administration allowing guns to cross the border, the San Francisco Chronicle has latched onto the same excuse by citing this misinformation promoted by AP as you can see in this article by the Hearst Washington Bureau correspondent, Puneet Kollipara:

Texas GOP Rep. Lamar Smith, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, on Tuesday demanded an independent investigation of whether Attorney General Eric Holder misled Congress on what he knew about the botched gun-tracking operation known as "Fast and Furious" - and when he found out about it.

Also on Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that the George W. Bush administration conducted a program similar to Fast and Furious, in which Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents were instructed to let Mexican drug cartel straw purchasers buy guns in the Phoenix area to follow the trail to higher-ups.

Known as Operation Wide Receiver, the Bush-era operation also let guns be transferred to suspected arms traffickers. Justice Department prosecutors have brought charges against nine people involved in the operation, according to AP; two have pleaded guilty.

And now we await a correction of this misinformation making it seem that the Bush administration also allowed guns to cross the border  from both the Associated Press and copycat misinformer Kollipara in 5...4...3...2...



Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2011/10/05/sf-chronicle-story-repeats-ap-fast-furious-misinformation#ixzz1ZvfWhfgD



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Another pathetic attempt by this disgusting admn to blame someone else for their crimes.

Funny too how the Deputy AG in 2009 did not mention this.  LMFAO! 



 

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interesting video.  shows Obama knew of it but oddly also suggests the Mexican government knew about it too which they have denied.  Am I missing something with that?

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interesting video.  shows Obama knew of it but oddly also suggests the Mexican government knew about it too which they have denied.  Am I missing something with that?

This is the testimony of the ATF agent and liason in Mexico.  What do you think? 


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Mexico was never warned 




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I wonder what they did tell them?  In your first video the deputy attorney general mentions tracking guns in Mexico.  I'd like to hear how Mexico thought it was supposed to happen?

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I wonder what they did tell them?  In your first video the deputy attorney general mentions tracking guns in Mexico.  I'd like to hear how Mexico thought it was supposed to happen?

I dont think you understand.    Canino was never told about the fact that these guns were being intentionally walked!  As far as he knew it was outlaw gun smuggling, same for Mexico. 

Remember - this was when Obama/Hillary were screaming about the need for more gun control.   

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I dont think you understand.    Canino was never told about the fact that these guns were being intentionally walked!  As far as he knew it was outlaw gun smuggling, same for Mexico.  

Remember - this was when Obama/Hillary were screaming about the need for more gun control.    
no, I understand.  You're not getting what I'm wondering.  With the justice department announcing way back that guns were going to be tracked in Mexico, the Mex gov clearly had to have been aware of something along those lines.  I'm just wondering what that was vs. what really happened.  I'm not saying Mexico knew about the guns being smuggled into Mexico.

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no, I understand.  You're not getting what I'm wondering.  With the justice department announcing way back that guns were going to be tracked in Mexico, the Mex gov clearly had to have been aware of something along those lines.  I'm just wondering what that was vs. what really happened.  I'm not saying Mexico knew about the guns being smuggled into Mexico.

Gotcha.   I think mexico probably thought this meant that the ATF would go back to these dealers and drop the hammer who they thought were complicit in this.

 

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Oh wait, duh, I get it... I was not understanding correctly.  brain fart... So they were aware that guns were coming across illegally and thought that we were just going to help in tracking those and fast and furious helped it out by supplying the guns and that's the part they didn't know.  I get it.  my bust.

Sorry, long day.

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Oh wait, duh, I get it... I was not understanding correctly.  brain fart... So they were aware that guns were coming across illegally and thought that we were just going to help in tracking those and fast and furious helped it out by supplying the guns and that's the part they didn't know.  I get it.  my bust.

Sorry, long day.

bingo - but they never even told the ATF agents down in Mexico who were liason to Mexican Govt who was reporting the serial numbers. 

ATF agents in mexico reported the numbers back thinking they were run of the mill illegal guns not knowing they were sent there by ATF agents up in Arizona etc. 

remember too - there is also Operation Castaway in Tampa where ATF shipped 1,000 rifles to Honduras   

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I think I just found a positive aspect to Obama in the whitehouse.  Rightwingers finally care about shit like this, sweet ;D  In the past everytime there is mention of this or that covert crap in central and south america it was ignored.

Do you have a thread about operation castaway?

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I think I just found a positive aspect to Obama in the whitehouse.  Rightwingers finally care about shit like this, sweet ;D  In the past everytime there is mention of this or that covert crap in central and south america it was ignored.

Do you have a thread about operation castaway?

I might have been merged in to the general scandal thread.   I'll try to find it. 

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I think I just found a positive aspect to Obama in the whitehouse.  Rightwingers finally care about shit like this, sweet ;D  In the past everytime there is mention of this or that covert crap in central and south america it was ignored.


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