Author Topic: Herman Cain to Occupy Wall Street protesters: If you're not rich 'blame yourself (Read 23178 times)

Do you really believe that the poor people (not a percentage, but ALL) deserve to be poor? Thats what Cain, The Coach, and about 2 more posters in this thread are arguing.

240 is Back · « **Reply #55 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:33:55 PM »

dogma5914 · « **Reply #56 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:35:03 PM »

Jesus...construction workers are providing a service and are paid as such. Unfortunately unless you own the construction company, you can have your income cut off with those 2 magic words just like any other wage slave (you're fired). There are more then a few construction workers who make more then college grads because there are literally hundreds of thousands with degrees that are useless in real life.

I mean really why the hell would you spend a decade in school to become a phd in a field where you know no money is made. Its a stupid idea honestly.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #57 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:37:05 PM »

there aint gunna be two colored Presidents in a row

MCWAY · « **Reply #58 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:42:56 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on October 05, 2011, 06:32:06 PM

that has nothing to do with this thread

Do you really believe that the poor people (not a percentage, but ALL) deserve to be poor? Thats what Cain, The Coach, and about 2 more posters in this thread are arguing.

Cain said nothing of the sort. The point he was making is that these crackpot liberals are basically lazy sheep, who want to blame everyone else for their lot in life. Cain was a poor black boy in the deep segregated South, born to two poor parents. He ended up CEO of Godfather's Pizza.

BIG ACH · « **Reply #59 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:48:02 PM »

He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!

But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!

And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #60 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:49:37 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on October 05, 2011, 06:42:56 PM

Cain said nothing of the sort. The point he was making is that these crackpot liberals are basically lazy sheep, who want to blame everyone else for their lot in life. Cain was a poor black boy in the deep segregated South, born to two poor parents. He ended up CEO of Godfather's Pizza.

He never mentioned "crackpot" or "liberals". He didn't say "if you're a drug user, blame yourself if you're not rich". He didn't say "if you're a liberal, blame yourself if you're not rich". The issue of drug use and political party affiliation are not relevant. Cain said if a person is poor, then they should blame themselves for their position in life. I have provided ample evidence of real people who worked very hard, went to school, did their damnedest to better themselves and they still end up being served with eviction notices, not being able to buy their children food, not being able to pay for dad's cancer treatment so he dies, working 80+ hours a week to pay for cancer treatment (All of these are taken directly from http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/)

How you, as a "Christian", can have zero compassion on these people and point the moral blame finger at them and demoralize them and say that they deserve (yes, blaming no one but yourself is in essence telling them they deserve to be poor, this argument has been made by at least 2 different posters in this thread as well, so people DO believe this) their position in life, is appalling.

SF1900 · « **Reply #61 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:51:39 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on October 05, 2011, 06:49:37 PM

He never mentioned "crackpot" or "liberals". He didn't say "if you're a drug user, blame yourself if you're not rich". He didn't say "if you're a liberal, blame yourself if you're not rich". The issue of drug use and political party affiliation are not relevant. Cain said if a person is poor, then they should blame themselves for their position in life. I have provided ample evidence of real people who worked very hard, went to school, did their damnedest to better themselves and they still end up being served with eviction notices, not being able to buy their children food, not being able to pay for dad's cancer treatment so he dies, working 80+ hours a week to pay for cancer treatment (All of these are taken directly from http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/)

How you, as a "Christian", can have zero compassion on these people and point the moral blame finger at them and demoralize them and say that they deserve (yes, blaming no one but yourself is in essence telling them they deserve to be poor, this argument has been made by at least 2 different posters in this thread as well, so people DO believe this) their position in life, is appalling.

that's a christian for you.

Jesus not approved.

Howard · « **Reply #62 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:53:18 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on October 05, 2011, 05:53:27 PM

it's stupid

it's a pourcentage !

10% of 100k is more than 10% of 10k

so if you tax everybody the same, the rich will end up paying more.

what's wrong with that ?

you guys want to rich to pay half their fucking income ?

I am not even rich I am middle class but it doesn't make sense to me

Ok just to show I am NOT picking on republicans I will use my 2004 example.
Both John Kerry and Dick Chenney paid about same "effective" tax rate of around 12-13% that yr during the 2004 presidential election.*It was public info due to the release of tax records by the canidates ( pres/VP)
The uber wealthy use various tax shelters and investment write offs to pay a really low effective tax rate after deductions.
They then make capitol gains off the same money they shelter from the original tax. They double dip.
The avg working slob doesn't have the $$ to do that kind of thing. He plays by different tax rules, trust me.

njanvi · « **Reply #63 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:54:26 PM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on October 05, 2011, 06:48:02 PM

He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!

But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!

And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!

Might be a good idea if you started thinking for yourself instead of repeating the theoretical bullshit you read in school

BIG ACH · « **Reply #64 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:55:58 PM »

Quote from: njanvi on October 05, 2011, 06:54:26 PM

Might be a good idea if you started thinking for yourself instead of repeating the theoretical bullshit you read in school

Huh?

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #65 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:58:15 PM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on October 05, 2011, 06:48:02 PM

He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!

But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!

And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!

Yes he did. Thats exactly what he meant.

Saying that the poor don't deserve to be poor and there are real people who did everything "right" by standards of contemporary America and still get shit in return and they need to be recognized, is different than saying "all rich people are evil". This notion of anybody can become rich, and if you don't, only you are to blame, is nothing but horseshit. That is what I'm against. I'm against that position. I am not saying I'm against anybody who has ever made over a million dollars only because they made that much, that is a separate issue.

njanvi · « **Reply #66 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:58:28 PM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on October 05, 2011, 06:55:58 PM

Huh?

I'm saying you sound naive

BIG ACH · « **Reply #67 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:59:31 PM »

Quote from: njanvi on October 05, 2011, 06:58:28 PM

I'm saying you sound naive

Bro - you don't know anything about me!

Parker · « **Reply #68 on:** October 05, 2011, 07:00:37 PM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on October 05, 2011, 06:48:02 PM

He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!

But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!

And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!

One could say that a rotten apple just died today...
As much as he has been criticized for being a miser...

Fury · « **Reply #69 on:** October 05, 2011, 07:01:29 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on October 05, 2011, 06:58:15 PM

Yes he did. Thats exactly what he meant.

Saying that the poor don't deserve to be poor and there are real people who did everything "right" by standards of contemporary America and still get shit in return and they need to be recognized, is different than saying "all rich people are evil". This notion of anybody can become rich, and if you don't, only you are to blame, is nothing but horseshit. That is what I'm against. I'm against this position. I am not saying I'm against anybody who has ever made over a million dollars only because they made that much, that is a separate issue.

You realize Herman Cain came from nothing, right? He's proof positive that anyone can make it. He couldn't have had the odds more stacked against him; a dirt-poor black man from the south (his mother was a cleaner and his father a chauffeur) ends up with a bachelor's in mathematics, a master's in computer science, serves in the military as a ballistics expert and then ends up moving to corporate America and turns around multiple companies. He's proof positive that anybody can become rich and successful if they put the RIGHT work in. I didn't know working 80 hours a week meant you should be rich.

His life refutes your entire argument.

BIG ACH · « **Reply #70 on:** October 05, 2011, 07:03:31 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on October 05, 2011, 06:58:15 PM

Yes he did. Thats exactly what he meant.

Saying that the poor don't deserve to be poor and there are real people who did everything "right" by standards of contemporary America and still get shit in return and they need to be recognized, is different than saying "all rich people are evil". This notion of anybody can become rich, and if you don't, only you are to blame, is nothing but horseshit. That is what I'm against. I'm against that position. I am not saying I'm against anybody who has ever made over a million dollars only because they made that much, that is a separate issue.

I do not believe that EVERYONE can be rich! BUT I do believe that everyone can better themselves and their situation to a certain extent.

Yes there have been many people who are extremely hardworking who have seen some hard times, but there are also ones that will not apply themselves, sit on their lazy asses yet will still bullshit and complain that they deserve more than what they have.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #71 on:** October 05, 2011, 07:04:04 PM »

If you want to make it you can. You've got to want it, and that's the hardest part.

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #72 on:** October 05, 2011, 07:05:13 PM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on October 05, 2011, 07:01:29 PM

You realize Herman Cain came from nothing, right? He's proof positive that anyone can make it. He couldn't have had the odds more stacked against him; a dirt-poor black man from the south ends up with a bachelor's in mathematics, a master's in computer science, serves in the military as a ballistics expert and then ends up moving to corporate America and turns around multiple companies. He's proof positive that anybody can become rich and successful if they put the RIGHT work in. I didn't know working 80 hours a week meant you should be rich.

His life refutes your entire argument.

You know this is a logical fallacy don't you? It's called an error of composition or something like that. If he did it, then that means that he can do it. That does not mean that anyone can do it.

njanvi · « **Reply #73 on:** October 05, 2011, 07:08:18 PM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on October 05, 2011, 06:59:31 PM

Bro - you don't know anything about me!

Just what you write, I have no agenda, I just call it like I read it!
Again, you sound naive

Straw Man · « **Reply #74 on:** October 05, 2011, 07:08:24 PM »

I don't know what the purpose of the protests are but if Cain thinks the meltdown of the credit and RE market is not STILL a HUGE drag on the economy then he's too stupid to be POTUS

Let's not forget that it was the US Taxpayer who bailed out these banks