Author Topic: Herman Cain to Occupy Wall Street protesters: If you're not rich 'blame yourself  (Read 23176 times)

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these protesters should consider themselves lucky to be allowed to protest








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I don't know what the purpose of the protests are but if Cain thinks the meltdown of the credit and RE market is not STILL  a HUGE drag on the economy then he's too stupid to be POTUS

Let's not forget that it was the US Taxpayer who bailed out these banks



THIS......and don't forget lots of educated, successful people got FUCKED by this, and are financially ruined.

this country is still in the shitter because of 2008, and might never get out

What an arrogant guy...for real. typical "i got mine, so fuck you" attitude....I truly hope someone puts a bullet in his dirty guy skull

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Bullshit Vince, I went from practically nothing as a single father with no monetary help from anyone especially from the government. I'm only one person, there are millions more just like me. So don't give me that BS.

Even IF I allow that YOU did it, or even if i allow the false claim that "millions of people can do it" does NOT mean that ANYONE can do it.

 Think for a moment about what you're saying. You are not a self-made man coach, I'm sorry if that hurts your ego. Let's consider for a moment what a self-made man really has to be. IQ has shown to be relatively set in stone by the age of 5. This is caused largely by the amounts of time you were read to in between birth and 5 years old. The professor's child gets read to 30,000 hours between birth and 5 years old on average, and is intellectually ahead of his or her peers. The low income child gets read to 1,000 hours between birth and 5 years old on average. That child is several years behind his or her peers. The starting point is already uneven by age 5 (before they even get into kindergarten), and neither child (the rich nor the poor one) can really be said to be fully responsible for this outcome because they did not CHOOSE how many hours to be read to. If you admit that IQ plays a large part, on average, about how successful/unsuccessful a person is in terms of job opportunities, and you also want to claim that the person has ONLY himself/herself to blame, then you have to make the claim that only the child, not the parents, not the babysitter, etc, were responsible for how many hours he was read to between birth and 5 years old. Think how crazy that is And that is just one example of how a person is not self-made. Keep in mind this is all before the age of 5.

I come from one of the largest poverty stricken counties in the country. I come from a failing elementary school on the verge of being shut down. I got into a good university for free on a duel degree program with honors. Am I a self made man? Did I pull myself up by the bootstraps out of the swamps of nothingness? No I did not. I owe a huge debt to my parents, teachers, the school system, where I was born, genetic predisposition allowing me to comprehend certain subjects better than others and allowing me to study for 12 hours a day and actually enjoy it, etc. I did not cause those things in my life. The only way I could have caused those things in myself is if I could have caused myself (causa sui), but to do that I would have to exist before I existed, and that's a paradox

There are no self-made men Coach, not Herman Cain, not you, and sure as hell not me.

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what?  ??? For your argument to work, you would have to prove that the poor dont take risks or work hard. The link I provided in my post above showed exactly the opposite. There are a lot of poor people that work very hard, took huge risks (taking out loans as an investment on their education) to try to better themselves, and they end up with eviction notices, no employment, dad cant pay for his cancer treatment, etc etc. All you said was that the poor make bad decisions. If you think they take risks but these risks just don't turn out, and for the rich the risks do turn out good, then you have to admit the outcome is arbitrary to the effort, and surely you cant believe we should have economic rewards for people who just happen to have good "luck"  ???

Here it is again so you won't have to scroll http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

Hard work makes luck.  and I'm not saying all poor people make bad decisions, but like I said, 9 times out of 10.  You can always cherry pick the few examples of hard workers who had something bad happen(i.e. got in a car wreck and hurt themselves and didn't have health insurance), but most of the time, it's becasue they made a bad decision.  Just go to a walmart and look at the cars in the lot, or the disgusting people with their multiple kids.  They are poor becasue they made poor decisions(i.e. drugs, risky sex etc.).  I have a guy that works for me, who drinks, smokes, smokes weed and always complains of being broke.  He has no car, rents a room at a place, and complains of being broke.  I can't stand people who can't help themselves.  I took risk in opening my business.  I was out there working 100 hour weeks.  I saved and then spent money on equipment.  And I tell you what, once I got this thing rolling, it was a lot easier to make more money.  I am not attacking your arguement, I think there is validity in it, but you have to see it from the big picture.  Also, I am not from the school of thought who thinks blacks are lazier than whites, or any of that non sense, shitty people are shitty people.

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Happy to hear you hire dummies!!!
Dude come on, how presumptuous on your part declaring that you are smarter than them.
Rich are fortunate first and foremost. Have you taken advantage of your breaks in life better than others? Probably. But to declare ur self smarter than your employees and assume that all poor people are lazy and make bad decisions is presumptuous and pompous on your part
I wouldn't call it presumptuos and pompous.  One of my employees had no high school degree, and I paid for him to get his GED.  He had no formal education, and he isn't as smart as I am.  You wouldn't call not finishing high school a poor decision and lazy?  I didn't have parental guidance through my high school years, but you know what?  I finished, went on to college, paid my way through while working, and came out a better person.  It's not taking advantage of "my breaks", it's just being a productive person, and it got me where I am today.  Some people have no drive to be any better, and until you see it first hand, you are ignorant to that fact.

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hahaha HEY !

Compare our taxe rate and stop whinning  ;D


Our "rich people" pay way more than your and we still have the shittiest health care ever and road infrastructures blows too

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That would be true except that everyone in life doesn't get a running start.  Some people get a silver spoon others get no spoons at all, and then some folks never even get a chance to eat.  The idea that if you're not rich, then you are to blame is ridiculous.   



Neither you nor any other black man, born in the last 20-30 years or so, are in any worse shape (society-wise) than Herman Cain was when he was growing up. How does a young black boy in the segregated South, experiencing racism the likes of which you or I have never (nor ever will, thank God) endure, end up being the CEO of a multi-million dollar company?

Hard work, determination, and perserverance!!

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True, but for Herman Cain to make a statement like that is simply insensitive and a clear example of someone who is out of touch with society.  Some people are born so far down in the hole that they never have a chance to climb out.

Name someone within the last 30 years, born in any worse shape than Cain was!


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He never mentioned "crackpot" or "liberals". He didn't say "if you're a drug user, blame yourself if you're not rich". He didn't say "if you're a liberal, blame yourself if you're not rich". The issue of drug use and political party affiliation are not relevant. Cain said if a person is poor, then they should blame themselves for their position in life. I have provided ample evidence of real people who worked very hard, went to school, did their damnedest to better themselves and they still end up being served with eviction notices, not being able to buy their children food, not being able to pay for dad's cancer treatment so he dies, working 80+ hours a week to pay for cancer treatment (All of these are taken directly from http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/)

How you, as a "Christian", can have zero compassion on these people and point the moral blame finger at them and demoralize them and say that they deserve (yes, blaming no one but yourself is in essence telling them they deserve to be poor, this argument has been made by at least 2 different posters in this thread as well, so people DO believe this) their position in life, is appalling.

Who said I have zero compassion for people who are downtrodden? I've helped people who have had bad things happen to them (try helping a family whose house burned down and lost one of their parents).

The point, which you clearly missed, is that Cain's criticism was aimed squarely, not at people who are down on their luck or hit hard times, but at those mangy, whiny, unbathed neo-hippies with an entitlement complex, who think people should subsidize their laziness.


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Everyone can't be rich.

The world needs ditch diggers too...

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The thing is, you generally don't become wealthy because you're highly educated and you've earned a degree.

I have several cousins that are highly educated and don't have a lick of common sense or business sense.

You become wealthy because you're a person that knows how to, and has a passion for making money.

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Neither you nor any other black man, born in the last 20-30 years or so, are in any worse shape (society-wise) than Herman Cain was when he was growing up. How does a young black boy in the segregated South, experiencing racism the likes of which you or I have never (nor ever will, thank God) endure, end up being the CEO of a multi-million dollar company?

Hard work, determination, and perserverance!!


He had a mom and dad....... I just had a mom and no dad.

His parents had decent jobs....my mom worked for minimum wage frying chicken at Bojangles  

He grew up in the Segregated South...... I grew up in the STILL Segregated South and the height of the Crack Cocaine Epidemic

He experienced lots of racism....I experienced lots of racism, got shot at and had to avoid drug dealers and gang violence.

He lived in a decent house....... I lived in a roach and rat infested ghetto.

His parents helped pay his way into Morehouse College.....I had to unload trucks at Fed-EX overnight to pay for school



Personally, I would have killed to have had Herman Cain's childhood.  He had parents, grew up in a middle class home, never had to face gangs and drug dealers and never had any "real struggles".  So he had to drink out of a separate water fountain...big fucking deal.  There isn't any water fountains in the ghetto..much less clean water.  Herman Cain wasn't born into wealth but he certainly wasn't born into poverty.
  
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He had a mom and dad....... I just had a mom and no dad.

His parents had decent jobs....my mom worked for minimum wage frying chicken at Bojangles  

He grew up in the Segregated South...... I grew up in the STILL Segregated South.

He experienced lots of racism....I experienced lots of racism, got shot at and had to avoid drug dealers and gang violence.

He lived in a decent house....... I lived in a roach and rat infested ghetto.

His parents helped pay his way into Morehouse College.....I had to unload trucks at Fed-EX overnight to pay for school



Personally, I would have killed to have had Herman Cain's childhood.  He had parents, grew up in a middle class home, never had to face gangs and drug dealers and never had any "real struggles".  Herman Cain wasn't born into wealth but he certainly wasn't born into poverty.
  

Good for you!  Whose MCWAY to try and judge who had it rougher.  He's a typical christian extremist.

Doesn't the bible say something about judging people, and bearing false witness?

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Good for you!  Whose MCWAY to try and judge who had it rougher.  He's a typical christian extremist.

Doesn't the bible say something about judging people, and bearing false witness?

Try that again!! Vince is making all these excuses about people being dealt a bad hand in life, not being able to make it. What I said was that I doubt you'll find any black man, born in the last 20-30 years, who's had it worse than Cain did back in the days of the segregated South.

Dirt poor, black, with hardcore in-your-face racism being part of his life. Yet, Cain is a mega-success.

Vince is trying to convince himself (and others here) that Cain has a relatively cushy life, which is why he succeeded, while he had it so hard. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!


He had a mom and dad....... I just had a mom and no dad.

His parents had decent jobs....my mom worked for minimum wage frying chicken at Bojangles  

He grew up in the Segregated South...... I grew up in the STILL Segregated South and the height of the Crack Cocaine Epidemic

He experienced lots of racism....I experienced lots of racism, got shot at and had to avoid drug dealers and gang violence.

He lived in a decent house....... I lived in a roach and rat infested ghetto.

His parents helped pay his way into Morehouse College.....I had to unload trucks at Fed-EX overnight to pay for school



Personally, I would have killed to have had Herman Cain's childhood.  He had parents, grew up in a middle class home, never had to face gangs and drug dealers and never had any "real struggles".  So he had to drink out of a separate water fountain...big fucking deal.  There isn't any water fountains in the ghetto..much less clean water.  Herman Cain wasn't born into wealth but he certainly wasn't born into poverty.
  

You're younger than I am, born in the late 70s. When did you drink out of "colored" water fountains? When were you forced to sit in the back of a bus or give up your seat to a white guy?

When did you have to go to the back of a restaurant to get food?

Cain's family, middle-class? PLEASE!!!

I've lived in the 'hood, raised by a single mom. My mother worked at fast-food places, as well, often as a second job (especially when my stepdad went to jail).

She ended up driving a semi-tractor trailor to put me through private school. She lost that job, my senior year of high school.

She was afraid she wouldn't be able to send me to college after that. But, I ended up getting a full-ride to FAMU.

Even with all that, I had it better growing up than Cain did, in terms of opportunities.




 


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Try that again!! Vince is making all these excuses about people being dealt a bad hand in life, not being able to make it. What I said was that I doubt you'll find any black man, born in the last 20-30 years, who's had it worse than Cain did back in the days of the segregated South.

Sorry fella, maybe you're right!  :-[

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Try that again!! Vince is making all these excuses about people being dealt a bad hand in life, not being able to make it. What I said was that I doubt you'll find any black man, born in the last 20-30 years, who's had it worse than Cain did back in the days of the segregated South.

Dirt poor, black, with hardcore in-your-face racism being part of his life. Yet, Cain is a mega-success.

Vince is trying to convince himself (and others here) that Cain has a relatively cushy life, which is why he succeeded, while he had it so hard. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

You're younger than I am, born in the late 70s. When did you drink out of "colored" water fountains? When were you forced to sit in the back of a bus or give up your seat to a white guy?

When did you have to go to the back of a restaurant to get food?

Cain's family, middle-class? PLEASE!!!

I've lived in the 'hood, raised by a single mom. My mother worked at fast-food places, as well, often as a second job (especially when my stepdad went to jail).

She ended up driving a semi-tractor trailor to put me through private school. She lost that job, my senior year of high school.

She was afraid she wouldn't be able to send me to college after that. But, I ended up getting a full-ride to FAMU.

Even with all that, I had it better growing up than Cain did, in terms of opportunities.




 




Herman Cain didn't have a hard life as he claimed.  He drunk out of a separate water fountain..big fucking deal..... ::)  He's complaining about that shit while my ass was dodging bullets and trying to stay alive like the Bee Gee's.  When the Crack Epidemic hit in the 80's, the hood went literally bananas.  Drug dealers was trying to push shit on me everyday, gang violence was tearing up the place, and the police harassed any black man that was walking out in the street.  Just about every week, I would have to kiss the street because the police stopped and patted down everyone for drugs and having a gun to the back of my head.  A couple of times, I got kicked while on the ground when I complained about it.  Then I'd be hoisted back up to my feet and told to be a good little  n i g g a  and say no to drugs.... ::)

Herman Cain don't know shit about the hood.  He's up there complaining about segregation and having to sit in the back of the bus....fuck that shit.  He needs to realize that there are a lot more things worse to complain about than someone naming some property...NIGGERHEAD or having to eat in a seperate restaurant.  That's why he'll never get elected...he's out of touch with the real people and he needs to thank God for at least having a half decent life
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But Obama does? 


LMFAO!!!!!

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I think everyone should pay X% amount of tax so if you do 100k a year, you WILL pay more tax than someone who makes 10k

it's simple logic

someone who makes 100K should not pay 15% while the poor one pay 10% and vice versa.

Tax the same % to everyone and this ends the problem

(those % are fictional, I don't know what you guys pay in the states)

ding ding ding...i like the idea of cutting our current tax system and replacing it with a flat tax on all things purchased...that
way everyone pays taxes equally...then the people that take advantage of welfare will know how it feels to pay taxes

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But Obama does? 


LMFAO!!!!!

Obama grew up in a nice home too...but he isn't trying to act like Herman Cain is.  And he wonders why he's called an Uncle Tom.  Herman Cain needs to realize that not everyone who is poor is lazy.  
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Obama grew up in a nice home too...but he isn't trying to act like Herman Cain is.  And he wonders why he's called an Uncle Tom.  Herman Cain needs to realize that not everyone who is poor is lazy.  

Herman Cain is telling the lazy whiners and poverty pimps to STFU and get to work. 

No wonder most leftists dont want to hear it.   

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Herman Cain is telling the lazy whiners and poverty pimps to STFU and get to work. 

No wonder most leftists dont want to hear it.   

he's not telling lazy's to work

he's telling nonrich that it's THEIR fault they are in the economic position they are in

Note the difference.

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he's not telling lazy's to work

he's telling nonrich that it's THEIR fault they are in the economic position they are in

Note the difference.

Not everyone is complaining they are not rich.   

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Ha.

Is that from Caddyshack?




You know it brotha.....that Judge should run for president.  ;D