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Re: trenbolona ace/visual chagne timing/bible index
« Reply #100 on: October 11, 2011, 11:57:06 PM »
gh15, how can I get a chest like Nasser's?  My chest is horrible.  :-X
did you ever deadlift 500?

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« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2011, 12:27:26 AM »
you cant,, chest is not something strong with you ,, even if you up the dose ,, you will have to do a all diff approach and go off from thre power lifting balonie into bodybuilding,, trenbolona ace may bring you to look 190 with condition of frank mgrath your hero but! the pecs in your case i dont thikn can be improved ,, they get grow bigger with the body but the arms will always take away from them ,, same for delts,, pecs is more genetic ...this the honest truth,, delts are more to do with drugs,, and arms is combo of both ,,

gettign up on the m1t or halodrol or superdrol or dianabola or anadrola wont do a damn thing,, you need something like trenbolona ace,, ask nortom he may be able to cook for you some or ask his cook to do so for you ,, you 2 actualy look pretty similar ,, you with much less usage but you get what im saying,, genetic wize pretty much if you are on same drugs you end up looking the same level of bodybuild,,

you are not only 165...you are 165 lean ...this is due to specific things you have done,, if you wantd to look like average joe bodyfat you would be 185lb right now,, so you know what you doing but you just not on the right products and your chest is just very weak point,,

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Great post, I appreciate the advice even if it just helps me accept the reality of the situation regarding my genetic limitations.

Did you see this video of Nasser?:



He's bang on here.

did you ever deadlift 500?

Not technically but I'm feeling very confident about it for the next time I attempt that which I don't think should be much longer from now.  That's basically my goal which will more or less be a triple body-weight deadlift.  Anything more than that is just a bonus.
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Re: trenbolona ace/visual chagne timing/bible index
« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2011, 04:58:38 AM »
is there a bible's link  of how to cycle testosterona while on trenbolona by gh15?

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« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2011, 05:29:17 AM »
Great post, I appreciate the advice even if it just helps me accept the reality of the situation regarding my genetic limitations.


I mentioned this awhile back - your insertions are your limitation here in regards to chest.  I have the same thing.  Just accept it, lean out, and make your shoulders bigger.  You're not doing competitive bodybuilding and you'll look better than 95% of folks out there.
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« Reply #104 on: October 12, 2011, 05:33:06 AM »
What ratio of test to tren should you take?

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« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2011, 05:34:48 AM »
Is this the tren ace look that you're talking bout god?

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« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2011, 05:40:41 AM »
Is this the tren ace look that you're talking bout god?

Think that pic is from around 92 or 93 when the WWF were in the middle of a steroid investigation, Warrior and all the other juiced guys had to seriously cut the doses, find a pic of warrior from the mid 80's when he is huge, late 90's in WCW he was rock hard, sure he did a lot of Finaject :D
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Re: trenbolona ace/visual chagne timing/bible index
« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2011, 05:44:18 AM »
"... since you are 12% you wont see much more ,,obliqes will start being noticed well and the girl will comliment that this is the area of the body she like the most right before she sucking your cock,, she wil comment on it because she wil be able to see it on you : ),, remember this is after 3-7 injects of trenbolona ace into blood at 100mg every inject...


rofl I would like to get some tren right now

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« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2011, 05:48:07 AM »
gh15 a guy that is running on mild thoses of test only and is around 9-11% bf can he start tren together with some anadrols (and keep the test) or will the a-bombs kind of jeopardize the tren effect??

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« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2011, 05:51:26 AM »
So this is with just trenbolone acetate alone? (noob question)

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« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2011, 06:47:01 AM »
What ratio of test to tren should you take?
Bump. Answers anyone?

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« Reply #111 on: October 12, 2011, 07:18:14 AM »
If I remember correctly, cycling Test was explained in the phases of bodybuilding for the poor. 

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« Reply #112 on: October 12, 2011, 07:20:42 AM »

SUPERNOVA


    Bodybuilding for the Poor - Phase 3 & Re Phase 4
« on: September 03, 2011, 01:22:19 AM » Quote 

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this is the meat and potatos phase,, now i will go on starting writing everything you need to listen and follow,,

this is meant for bodybuilders! ,, this is not meant for 15 year old that just enter gymnasium 1 month ago,,

this is a phase 3 of bodybuilder for the poor,, i will bring bring you to the mountain ,, i will help you get to troy alvez type of physiqe! but! from then on you are on your own ,, you will need much more money or sponsor to get to what you see today at the top,, so i will bring you up to 220 6% but from then you are on your own friends,,

phase 1 and 2 are must follow ,, and follow directly as i wrote it there,,yes you can chnage fish type but over all follow directly as i wrote it


ingredients needed,,you will have to put some money investment but since you save on supplmenet you wil have this money,,

again this is a program to follow for the fella with the worst bodybuild genetic out there aka vince goodrum and bring him up to ron heris level,, so if you are better and most likley you are...you will end up looking at the level zoen of troy alvez minus the years of experience and muscle maturity


ingredients

testosterona propioneta 100mg/ml 2 vials

testosterona enantato 250mg/ml or 300mg/ml or 350mg/ml depending on your contact ofcourse and wether human grade or private chef 2 vials

trenbolona ace ,, this is HIGHLY IMPORTANT 100mg per cc  only ace! 2 vials

masterona  100mg per cc  2 vials

equipona 300mg per cc 2 vials

human growth hormone 1 kit 100iu only! nordic ! AGAIN ONLY NORDIC GH!

thats it ,, all you need you will need to buy it every single month so this will be an expense of about 500-600 dollaros first time around and then from third month! you will only need to put 300 dollaors a month ,, which is equal to your supplment sepdning,, this is the cheapest it can be to get to advance level bodybuild 300 dollaros every 4-8 weeks is the cheapest possible way to get there i cant get it any cheaper for you im sorry ,, most bodybuild spend 1000s in a matter of a 3 month period thousands of dollars! sometimes surpassing 10 k in a matter of 90 days
so this is not your case...you will need 500-600 for first 2 months and from then on 300 dolaros every month


alright,,

injection should be done every time before bed,,
i also want all injects to be done into the ass right and left cheeks ,, again this is your responsbility to be bodybuilder i write my own opinions and i discuss matters for enterntainment only...

i want you to start within PRIMING YOUR BODY with hgh ,, that mean you will work hgh into your body for 30-60days as a prime 4 iu a day ,, only 4 iu you hear that right just make sure you get nordic hgh and no other gh! you want that gh because it is the purest one and you want to get the most out of your gh,, yes you can find other decent and good gh but nordic gh never seem to dissapoint for years upon years going already close to 10 years

now,, i want 4 iu into DELTS 2 iu morning when wake up 2 iu night,, yes only this way  and just train ,, do it for 25 days along with equipona at 900mg 3 times a week monday wed friday 300 mg each time that is it! no testosterona yet,, at the end of this 25 days i want you to add trenbolona ace at 100 mg every second day! make sure it is LEGIT TRENBOLONA at 100mg every second day and continue with the second kit of gh for another 25 days at 4-5 iu a day 2.5 and 2.5 morning when wake up and night before sleep

now,, at the same time you add trenbolona ace i want you to add propioneta at 50mg! every 2nd to 3rd day depending on your own feeling since i cant see you you will decide but not every day! every second to third day,, 50 mg!

when 50 day mark arrive i want you to take the enantato ,,and do a 3 time weekly injectiong of 300mg each time mon wed and friday,, can also be tuesday thursday and saturday all up to your choice and how you do things and if you are lazy some fellas like to take their sweet time thats how bodybuild do at times,, this will give you 900-1000mg of testosterona enantato a week when you are done 50-60 days of hgh prime ,, with the enantato i want you to INCREASE the trenbolona to 100 mg every day  5 times a week ,, it is NOT easy ! trenbolona ace is very very tricky it works on your brain it change your personality even if you think it doesnt it does ,, it is the strongest personality change hormone out there but it is also a must to achieve any of today condition ,,you need to be careful with it if you can not tolerate every day 100mg you will have to continue every second day 100 mg ,, but if you can then 100mg a day will be better for this phase

so ,, enantato 900-1000 mg a week ...trenbolna ace 100 mg a day or if really cant 100 mg every 2 days,, and! NO ANTI ESTROGENS! i want you to introduce masterona if you have problem with high estrogen after 50 days! you should not have any problem but if you do introduce masterona at 50mg every 2 days! the masterona i stil dont want in only if you suffer from high levels of estrrogen which you shoudl not not even when you get on 1000 mg testosterona yuo still should be ok with estrogen ,,

now the masterona itself i want you to introduce after 3 weeks on enantato at 1000 mg ,,

so what we have until now,,

we have day 51 start,, you go on enantato 900-1000 mg a week,, you still keep equipona at 900 mg ,, you have trenbolona ace at 100 mg every second day and after another 3 weeks you add in masterona at 50mg every second day ,, you can! combine injections,, it is all oil shoudl be no problem but it is still usualy 3 injects a week atleast no matter how you do it ,, you want it at 3 day injection a week so its ok ,,

now you will notice that by day 80-90 from your start you pretty much suddenly look like one of the best bodybuilder to ever touch foot in your gymnasium ,, this is in 3 months! you still wont be quality of top bodybuilder due to maturity and experience and time ,, and also due to lack of products notice you are poor! there are some things you can not do like bodybuilder with more money,, but you can defenitely have better quality physiqe than them

so....

day 80-90 you REINTRODUCE HGH to the blood,, do it on day 90 ,, this time you LEAVE testosterona enantato in may even increase it to 1200mg a week dependign on personal choice,, you leave equipona in still 900mg and you take trenbolona ace out! insted of trenbolona ace you bring in anadrola preferebly solution and do 100-150mg every day ,, again preferably injectable!  you can still do orals too,, rememer you take out the trenbolona ace! you do gh again for 30 days this time you do it at 6-8 iu a day only for 30 days! if you can afford 60 it will be better for you but 30 will be ok too ,,you can even inject it every second day! at 6-8 iu a day then a day of no hgh then 8 iu a day then day of no hgh etc etc

you will then approach 120 days which is 4 months since you started and i will want you to start reducing the testosterona doses again ,, i will make phase 4 in next few days to discuss the next steps,,

again the nex phase will involve the possibility of diuretic application and a quick discussion about insulina and why im against it ,, it will also involve what needed to get to the 220 + at cometition condition because all those fellas are addicted to insulina and gh ,, you just dont step on stage 5'7 220 shredded if you are not hgh and insulina addict,, so we will talk abotu it too but again you are poor so i bring you up to 220 6% from then you will either have to find a good job or will have to have help or do something to get the ability to proceed,, most good bodybuilder at 200lb wipe floor with heavier bodybuilders...especialy if in light heavy classes ,, so its not that bad to get up to 200 210 220 6% my friends,, and this is the way you do it ,,

few things,,

you never give up! no matter what you see in the mirror after 11 days ,, you dont just say oh im tired of this,, you will see a lot in the mirror after lefit gh been in your blood for 11 days but! 11 days is not enough time to create body compsition change it takes some more time,, this is 120 days here that you should start ,, then will go to phase 4 which will polish the physiqe and bring it to competition level ,, not stage ready but pretty much 2 weeks out ,, i dont think yuo need it for every day life....but in general if you can get to look 200+ 6% on every day life at 5'10 or under no one will mistaken you for anything other than bodybuilder and you will be the best in your city in most cases,,

good luck to all ,,

phase 4 will come in few days

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Re: trenbolona ace/visual chagne timing/bible index
« Reply #113 on: October 12, 2011, 07:45:24 AM »
If I am doing a cut to stay lean, do I up the calories when I start the tren ace,or do I stay on the same "diet"? Awesome read btw.

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« Reply #114 on: October 12, 2011, 07:48:53 AM »
If I am doing a cut to stay lean, do I up the calories when I start the tren ace,or do I stay on the same "diet"? Awesome read btw.

Read the bible... if you are lean and you have gh and/or tren in your blood, you need to eat the refrigerator in order to grow.  Fat will simply just not get put on your body so unless you are prepping for a show, cut back on strictness of diet.

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« Reply #115 on: October 12, 2011, 07:55:57 AM »
Read the bible... if you are lean and you have gh and/or tren in your blood, you need to eat the refrigerator in order to grow.  Fat will simply just not get put on your body so unless you are prepping for a show, cut back on strictness of diet.
I am reading the bible daily now, I am still learning. Thanks. Can`t wait to try tren again lol.

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Re: trenbolona ace/visual chagne timing/bible index
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2011, 08:08:58 AM »
If I am doing a cut to stay lean, do I up the calories when I start the tren ace,or do I stay on the same "diet"? Awesome read btw.
How you expect him to answer on this ?
just look at the mirror


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« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2011, 01:46:17 PM »
Noob question wasn't answered guys (I guess it might have been somewhere in the "bible" but I havent read much of it)..

I was wondering if the description of these results you're giving here are with trenbolone acetate by itself or along with other compounds?

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Re: trenbolona ace/visual chagne timing/bible index
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2011, 03:47:33 PM »
would it be a total waste of time to do 50mg twice a week?

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« Reply #123 on: October 19, 2011, 05:11:33 PM »
Hey GH15, I was asked to forward you this from the creator of your GH15 page on facebook. He doesn't have an account here and is waiting for approval and says that he never thinks he's gonna get it.He asked me to forward you this.

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yo GH, im the guy behind the facebook page,
I cant register on the forum, so i found a friend that will send you this message,
glad you liked the fb page, spreading the truth for the ones which need it most, nothing else,
have a few questions though,would really apreciate it if you answer me if you have the time.
this is maybe the longest PM u ever had btw:

1)------------------------------------------
What is the best drug to REDUCE water retention and to get that dry look, what doses ?
Is it possible without diuretics ?

here's a little story of mine...I went on test e dianabol about 5 months ago,
i was desperate a girl fuckin fooled me, BIG TIME
she was giving me the looks, always looked at me when i pass by her SMILED and all,
STARED at me when i walked at the swimming pool ( i looked very good for that time natural physique)
,when i ride my motorbike, she always looked at me when i pass by her,
she posted facebook statuses that i found myself in
i really thought she was into me, maybe she is, i know i liked her a lot, still do goddamit
didnt wanted to only fuck her and nothing else, wanted something more, thats just the way i am...
BUT HEAR ME ON THIS BRO':
When i actually asked her to go out she fuckin rejected me,
She was driving a bicycle in MY STREET LOL, she lives street from me
,i figured she was waiting for me to ask her,
and i pulled beside her with motorbike, pulled some random BAD joke on purpose ,
she laughed, and i asked her to take a ride with me, to make me company.Classic way to meet a girl first time.
she said like" Who the hell are you ?"Smilled at first, and then said "No, i gotta get home to eat..."
I said, "Are you sure ?","NO!" yelled this time,and i went home no point asking her three times.
GH, I was burned big time, first i was confused but
then after a few days i was pissed off like im using Zack Khan tren ace dosages.
Does she expect me to chase her all over town,every day,
send her roses and stuff like that at home adress, i mean for fucks sake...
lol after all that signs ( i dont know what else to name them )
( and i said wtf and started pinning with TEST i didnt give a fuck at that time,
thats how i got interested in BB DRUGS and started studying them like crazy )
I really hate when girls play with me like that....
, what's ur view on this? 2 months have passed since then
i know for ceartant when i take my shirt off after using your tips about drugs,
NEXT YEAR at the swiming pool in my town ripped and shredded...
i will make her feel sorry that she played with me and im sick
of the games girls play with me all the fuckin time,
happened to me thousand of times already...
theyre probably whores but im good person and they always fuck me up goddamit
sorry i had to open myself about this, got any tips man ?
there she is brother:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/29359915854119090444610k.jpg/
shes much prettier in person, maybe not to someone else, but to me, yes. As you can see, fake nails, fake hair
i dont know what to think anymore...

-Anyway the damn water retention from TEST was just ridiculous,
im from serbia test depo is CHEAP AS FUCK, but its good gear (GALENIKA)
so im gonna use it along with tren ace, but water is my main problem,
im prone to water retention from test,
i know im gonna get lot of water and it will blur my abs,and i wont look conditioned.
its gonna look ridicolus even at 250mg test depo a week,
which i plan to use.Does 100mg test depo a week
make any SENSE ? i dont know what to do,
but test is a must for thickness as you said.
Like a music, you could not use only BASS (test),
and make a good song, you got to have
the other music effects(drugs) for the complete song (physique).

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Second question is to tell me what gear is this guy on:

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/22280318679948736881655.jpg

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/18473717465062765491655.jpg

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/19626017581753682691655.jpg

Just some schmug from my gym,He claims natty of course,but hes a fuckin arrogant
liar like everyone else regarding that subject,
he says hes CREATINE USER ONLY, and everyone else believes him,
I bust my ass for 3 years and, he trained for A LESS THAN A FUCKING YEAR !!
he was skinny as fuck before he started training and in record time,
he blows me away with size, not conditioning,separation and symetry, but SIZE yes.
Im sick of this,im taking the next step with YOUR HELP.
im guessing SOLO dianabol high dose
( most common cycle in serbia gyms SERBIAN RAT cycle i call it lol )
He holds a fuck load of water, face is moon like,
of course he'll go down about 20 pounds when off right ? ure a master
when it comes to "what's this guy's cycle" so im sure you'll be right about this one.

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what do i need to take, considering that i have trained 3-4 years like a mofo,
disciplined,I BELIEVED in all BS that suplement industry has fed us,
I drank my protein shake, took BCAA and all the other
useless bulshit untill i found GETBIG forum, and your posts,
what do i need to take to look like this guy, this is my ultimate goal,
to have about 200 LEAN pounds,6%-7% true BF,little water retention etc. CONDITIONED
what do i need to take and for how long to look like this guy, help a brother out:

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/charlesantoinemontreuil.jpg

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/charley.jpg

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/charley1.jpg/

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/charley3.jpg

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/montry.jpg/

Guess what - he is natural also ( LOLD HARD ), i believed that
untill recently actually, when i realized that i simply do not
put on lean mass in the gym i used to the first 2 years training.
Im very disciplined, dont drink, dont smoke,dont party,
take bodybuilding very very seriously,
its in my blood... but for now i dont plan to compete,
because im not good enough YET.
also fuckin cant stand this society as it is today, dont know what the fuck is wrong with me,
like i was born in the wrong fuckin decade, i even listen the music from the 70s,80s, early 90s etc...
Anyway i really think that i can look like this guy with the right gear,
i good chest, always get compliments when i took shirt off in gym,
its thick i really built it from the heart,mind and muscle connection,
i cant imagine how it would look like if i pin myself with the right drugs EOD.
have wide shoulders,small waist, thick back that i plan to widen a bit more,
maybe my arms are a little weak because i overtrain them, but overall they're
not that bad when pumped, and its fuckin time to take the gear for this kind of physique
,tell me what do i need to look like this,
i cant afford HGH and im 19 years old so i think i can
get away without HGH for a 7 or 8 years, that's what i learned reading your posts.
Tell me what do i need to take and ill take it as long as you say,
doesnt fuckin matter if its a year ill do it,as a matter a fact i dont plan comming off actually.
if someone is dedicated and will get the most out of it then its me.
I have great mind and muscle connection that I achieved
during these 3-4 years natural wasting TIME ( $%#@Q$@# ),really blast myself with light weight,
well i use weight that is heavy enough to lift STRICT of course,
and all the gym rats laugh when i do this, but when shirt goes
off, silence in the gym is not uncommon.
I think I reached my genetic potential,
and i really just wanted to look like this guy from the start,
im only VERY DISAPOINTED because as of late i realized that it is not posible
to be that lean and hold that much conditioned mass without DRUGS.

4)---------------------------------------------------
What kind of diet do i need to look like this fella above ?
,I know diet doesnt matter when tren is in, well not that i can
eat fat like im on HGH but still i will shed fat and gain lean pounds right ?
I can afford enough chicken and rice,fruits and vegetables of course,
and i plan eating like this as long as it takes.
Can i look like that if I eat clean like this, or i must bump the calories
in with PASTA, BREAD, POTATOES... and stuff like that ?
I plan on eating when hungry,
fuck that 2-3 hours a meal "bodybuilding.com" bullshit,
i listen to my body always, and gear will do its thing.

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just my pic from my first cycle, galenika depo and danabol DS... i
think i looked worse than my natural days, the conditioning just isnt there,
as you can see i hold niagara falls in my body
( or maybe i have like 15-19%BF really dont know)
its not conditioned so it looks ridicolus to me, but im ready to advance
in bodybuilding chemistry following your advice:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/p1060832r.jpg/
sorry about the toilet...


Anyway, sorry about long PM, i hope you have time reading it,
Keep up the good work GH ure the best, facebook page was my idea,
I saw that you supported it so i didnt delete it,
maybe when I have some time i can make fully functional WIKI PAGE, i plan on doing it,
because your posts must be viewed and read by people
like myself and other good people that are willing to do
what it takes to get to specific level in bodybuilding.

Proud to be your pupil
peace
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best drug period is trenbolona ace,, it is a special special drug and the reason behind bodybuilding and especialy competetive bodybuildgin,, as i said before bodybuilder lie,, moment bodybuild tell you 1 gram of testosterona it is for you to get fucked up...why woudl bodybuild tell you how to achieve his look? for what reason lol ,, know what im saying friend?

so...when bodybuild say he use 1 gram testosterona what it means is....he confuse the letters testosterona with the letters trenbolona....what he really take is 1 gram trenbolona a week lol and to you he say 1 gram testosterona lol makes a huge diff on physiqe ,, one bodybuild will look liek a damn mover of furniture and the other bodybuilder him...the one who gave the mover the bad advice...will look like superman lol then you have the twisters...who say they dont use anything low testosterona but they dont tell you just how much trenbolona they use with their 200 mg testosterona lol and the cases go on and on ,, this is how bodybuikld are bunch of liars ,, thats how it is friend,,hopefuily the generation i raised will be better ,, it is better you can sense it alredy everywhere but time will tell,,

so again the drug you look for is trenbolona ace! it harden you it takes out water and later on you can actualy notice it ,, it takes some time,, lol a whole 10 days lol but you will notice everything pretty fast and afteer few months you just have quality thickness that have nothing else to do beside going up and up and then when anabolizm is there and quality thickness is going higher and higher guess what happen to bodyfat...it goes lower and lower...it takes couple weeks thought dont expct it after 4 days lol if you are lean it will happen within first 10 days and from then on you become invinsible and get looks and comments from every black fella with best genetics... ::) in the hood and every whore who pass your way ,, you will know you hit the jackpot when the girl with her boyfriend give you the deer in headlights eyes,,you know the look it is a look reserved for cheaters and you get it ALWAYS when on trenbolona ace when it kicks visualy  ,,

let me read the rest it is big thing you wrote so ill read and answer in next postings,,

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Re: pm question answered/bible index
« Reply #124 on: October 19, 2011, 05:13:11 PM »
what you look for fordrying effect is masteron when already lean ,, this will do it ,, diuretic is not must if you dont go on stage ,, if you want to look stage ready any given moment which is stupid...then yes diuretic needed

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