Author Topic: THE MYTH 0F REP RANGES AND HYPERTR0PHY (Read 17889 times)

asbrus · « **Reply #25 on:** October 07, 2011, 06:26:35 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 06:22:22 PM

You do realize that olympic lifts are explosive lifts and usually done FIRST in the program then SUPPLEMENTAL lifts are done second......right? The key word is SUPPLEMENTAL and on a certain day during a usual program they might incorporate an hypertrophy day.

SIGH. THEY STILL NEVER G0 AB0VE 3 REPS 0N TH0SE SUPPLEMENT LIFTS SUCH AS SQUATS AND FR0NT SQUATS. IN FACT, THE BULGARIAN TEAM N0 L0NGER D0ES BACK SQUATS. THEY 0NLY SUPPLEMENT LIFT THEY D0 IS THE FR0NT SQUAT. REGARDLESS, DID Y0U EVEN READ MY P0ST? BECAUSE Y0U'RE TALKING AB0UT S0METHING C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT. BY THE WAY 0LYMPIC LIFTS ARE N0T ALL P0WER. IT TAKES AN EN0RM0US AM0UNT 0F STRENGTH T0 CLEAN AND JERK 2-3 TIMES Y0UR B0DYWEIGHT.

Jaime · « **Reply #26 on:** October 07, 2011, 06:39:31 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 03:07:32 PM

GENETICS DICTATES H0W BIG Y0UR LEGS WILL BE YES. THAT WASN'T MY P0INT. I'M SAYING REP RANGES D0N'T DICTATE MASS. L00K AT S0ME 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTERS. THEY HAVE L0NG LEGS, SH0RT T0R0S, AND C0ULD BE L0NG DISTANCE RUNNERS. ESPECIALLY THE CHINESE, BUT ALL HAVE MASSIVE LEGS. WHY? TRAINING WITH HEAVY WEIGHTS BUILDS MASS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Lots of drugs builds mass. End of talkie time.

el numero uno · « **Reply #27 on:** October 07, 2011, 06:44:27 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 06:12:43 PM

N0 IT'S N0T.

Yes, it is. Assbruise.

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #28 on:** October 07, 2011, 06:56:55 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 06:26:35 PM

SIGH. THEY STILL NEVER G0 AB0VE 3 REPS 0N TH0SE SUPPLEMENT LIFTS SUCH AS SQUATS AND FR0NT SQUATS. IN FACT, THE BULGARIAN TEAM N0 L0NGER D0ES BACK SQUATS. THEY 0NLY SUPPLEMENT LIFT THEY D0 IS THE FR0NT SQUAT. REGARDLESS, DID Y0U EVEN READ MY P0ST? BECAUSE Y0U'RE TALKING AB0UT S0METHING C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT. BY THE WAY 0LYMPIC LIFTS ARE N0T ALL P0WER. IT TAKES AN EN0RM0US AM0UNT 0F STRENGTH T0 CLEAN AND JERK 2-3 TIMES Y0UR B0DYWEIGHT.

This is where you're confused. It's not strength, it's power. There's a difference. Let me ask you a question. When the coaches put together the training protocols for these athletes, why do suppose they keep between 1-3 reps with a 3-5min rest between sets? I'll give you a hint....... "energy systems".

asbrus · « **Reply #29 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:15:19 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 06:56:55 PM

This is where you're confused. It's not strength, it's power. There's a difference. Let me ask you a question. When the coaches put together the training protocols for these athletes, why do suppose they keep between 1-3 reps with a 3-5min rest between sets? I'll give you a hint....... "energy systems".

ARE Y0U SAYING Y0U D0N'T NEED STRENGTH T0 CLEAN AND JERK 3 TIMES Y0UR B0DY WEIGHT? IF Y0U ARE THEN THIS DEBATE IS 0VER. Y0U NEED EN0RM0US BACK, LEG, AND SH0ULDER STRENGTH T0 HANDLE THAT KIND 0F WEIGHT.

asbrus · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:16:24 PM »

Quote from: el numero uno on October 07, 2011, 06:44:27 PM

Yes, it is. Assbruise.

Y0U'RE RIGHT THAT'S WHY R0NNIE AND D0RIAN WERE BENCHING 500 PLUS. WHY N0T JUST KEEP IT AT 100 LBS SINCE WEIGHT INCREASE D0SEN'T MATTER?

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #31 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:23:39 PM »

Please answer my question first.

dyslexic · « **Reply #32 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:24:20 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 06:22:22 PM

You do realize that olympic lifts are explosive lifts and usually done FIRST in the program then SUPPLEMENTAL lifts are done second......right? The key word is SUPPLEMENTAL and on a certain day during a usual program they might incorporate an hypertrophy day.

You beat me to it Coach..

asbrus · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:24:53 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 07:23:39 PM

Please answer my question first.

I NEVER SAID IT WASN'T P0WER. MY P0INT IS Y0U NEED AN EN0RM0US AM0UT 0F STRENGTH ALS0.

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:33:27 PM »

Fair enough. Do you know the difference between power and strength?

el numero uno · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:36:52 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 07:16:24 PM

Y0U'RE RIGHT THAT'S WHY R0NNIE AND D0RIAN WERE BENCHING 500 PLUS. WHY N0T JUST KEEP IT AT 100 LBS SINCE WEIGHT INCREASE D0SEN'T MATTER?

Did I said that?

You said "IT'S INCREASING THE WEIGHT AND TRYING T0 D0 M0RE THEN WHAT Y0U DID LAST TIME" . That's not right in my experience. I tried it I had a notebook with the number of series, reps and poundages lol. Sorry, I gained strength but did nothing for muscle, infact I think I lost muscle I'm not joking. My diet was in check btw.

But in the long run yes you need to lift heavier weights, but NOT after every workout.

asbrus · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:38:54 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 07:33:27 PM

Fair enough. Do you know the difference between power and strength?

P0WER IS A C0MB0 0F STRENGTH AND SPEED. 0LYMPIC LIFTERS USE STRENGTH AT A FAST RATE.

asbrus · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:40:07 PM »

Quote from: el numero uno on October 07, 2011, 07:36:52 PM

Did I said that?

You said "IT'S INCREASING THE WEIGHT AND TRYING T0 D0 M0RE THEN WHAT Y0U DID LAST TIME" . That's not right in my experience. I tried it I had a notebook with the number of series, reps and poundages lol. Sorry, I gained strength but did nothing for muscle, infact I think I lost muscle I'm not joking. My diet was in check btw.

But in the long run yes you need to lift heavier weights, but NOT after every workout.

IN THE L0NG RUN 0VER TIME W0ULD BE M0RE ACCURATE.

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:04:37 PM »

I give up.

SF1900 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:14:15 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 08:04:37 PM

I give up.

coach, why do you give up? and what are you giving up on? $:-\$ $:-\$

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #40 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:19:19 PM »

Don't feel like going over it with him.

Stavios · « **Reply #41 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:34:07 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 06:22:22 PM

You do realize that olympic lifts are explosive lifts and usually done FIRST in the program then SUPPLEMENTAL lifts are done second......right? The key word is SUPPLEMENTAL and on a certain day during a usual program they might incorporate an hypertrophy day.

seriously I don't know why people argue with you about training methods

asbrus · « **Reply #42 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:35:24 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on October 07, 2011, 08:34:07 PM

seriously I don't know why people argue with you about training methods

I REALLY WASN'T ARGUING AND HE STARTED TALKING AB0UT S0METHING C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT. MY WH0LE P0INT WAS THAT 0LYMPIC LIFTERS HAVE HUGE LEGS AND TRAIN IN THE 1-3 REP RANGE AND D0 N0T G0 0VER THESE REP RANGES YET HAVE S0ME 0F THE BIGGEST LEGS EVEN SURPASSING PR0S AND AMATEUR BBBERS.

WillGrant · « **Reply #43 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:36:44 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on October 07, 2011, 06:22:22 PM

You do realize that olympic lifts are explosive lifts and usually done FIRST in the program then SUPPLEMENTAL lifts are done second......right? The key word is SUPPLEMENTAL and on a certain day during a usual program they might incorporate an hypertrophy day.

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Stavios · « **Reply #44 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:37:42 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 08:35:24 PM

I REALLY WASN'T ARGUING AND HE STARTED TALKING AB0UT S0METHING C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT. MY WH0LE P0INT WAS THAT 0LYMPIC LIFTERS HAVE HUGE LEGS AND TRAIN IN THE 1-3 REP RANGE AND D0 N0T G0 0VER THESE REP RANGES YET HAVE S0ME 0F THE BIGGEST LEGS EVEN SURPASSING PR0S AND AMATEUR BBBERS.

none of the olympic lifter I know train specificly in the 1-3 rep range

none

asbrus · « **Reply #45 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:39:53 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on October 07, 2011, 08:37:42 PM

none of the olympic lifter I know train specificly in the 1-3 rep range

none

AND THIS IS WHY THE U.S. IS LAST PLACE IN 0LYMPIC LIFTING. I'VE SEEN TRAINING F00TAGE 0F THEM. THEY ALL D0 FR0NT AND BACK SQUATS IN THE 1-3 REP RANGE AND HAVE MASSIVE LEGS.

WillGrant · « **Reply #46 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:41:49 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 08:35:24 PM

I REALLY WASN'T ARGUING AND HE STARTED TALKING AB0UT S0METHING C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT. MY WH0LE P0INT WAS THAT 0LYMPIC LIFTERS HAVE HUGE LEGS AND TRAIN IN THE 1-3 REP RANGE AND D0 N0T G0 0VER THESE REP RANGES YET HAVE S0ME 0F THE BIGGEST LEGS EVEN SURPASSING PR0S AND AMATEUR BBBERS.

Dummy - read the word SUPPLEMENTAL again.. they dont just sit there doing there lifts in the 1-3 range - theres more to there training than that -, they also peak for comps.. hypertrophy training is part of there full routines.

Stavios · « **Reply #47 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:42:51 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 08:39:53 PM

AND THIS IS WHY THE U.S. IS LAST PLACE IN 0LYMPIC LIFTING. I'VE SEEN TRAINING F00TAGE 0F THEM. THEY ALL D0 FR0NT AND BACK SQUATS IN THE 1-3 REP RANGE AND HAVE MASSIVE LEGS.

I'm canadian

(even worst)

WillGrant · « **Reply #48 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:42:59 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on October 07, 2011, 08:39:53 PM

AND THIS IS WHY THE U.S. IS LAST PLACE IN 0LYMPIC LIFTING. I'VE SEEN TRAINING F00TAGE 0F THEM. THEY ALL D0 FR0NT AND BACK SQUATS IN THE 1-3 REP RANGE AND HAVE MASSIVE LEGS.

You are either stupid or just a troll - now fuck off

asbrus · « **Reply #49 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:43:10 PM »

Quote from: WillGrant on October 07, 2011, 08:41:49 PM

Dummy - read the word SUPPLEMENTAL again.. they dont just sit there doing there lifts in the 1-3 range - theres more to there training than that -, they also peak for comps.. hypertrophy training is part of there full routines.

ACTUALLY THEY D0. Y0U STUPID FUCK. THEY D0N'T LIFT AB0VE THE 3 REP RANGE AND THE BULGARIANS D0N'T EVEN D0 ANY SUPPLEMENT LIFTS EXCEPT F0R THE FR0NT SQUAT. Y0U KN0W SHIT AB0UT 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING AND THE WAY THEY TRAIN. AND L0L AT THEM D0ING HYPERTR0HPY W0RK. Y0U ARE 0NE STUPID S0N 0F A BITCH.