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Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« on: October 14, 2011, 01:26:05 PM »
Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Military force shouldn’t be ruled out as a response to an Iranian assassination plot on U.S. soil, the top House Republican on intelligence issues said.

“I don’t think you should take it off the table,” said Representative Mike Rogers, the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said on ABC’s “This Week.” Rogers said other options would include rallying the international community against Iran or taking action against Iranian operatives in Iraq.

U.S. officials are considering what action to take following the Justice Department’s Oct. 11 accusation that Iran sponsored a plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the U.S. The conspiracy involved a secret Iranian military unit and a citizen of the Islamic Republic with a U.S. passport.

President Barack Obama said this week that there were “direct links” to Iran’s government, which has rejected the allegation.

Two men were charged with conspiracy to use C-4 plastic explosives to murder Ambassador Adel Al-Jubeir and attack Saudi installations in the U.S. Targets included “foreign government facilities associated with Saudi Arabia and with another country,” the U.S. said in a complaint filed in federal court in Manhattan.

Increased Economic Sanctions

Senator Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who heads the Senate Intelligence Committee, said she supports increased economic sanctions, especially against Iran’s Central Bank, with black lists of any foreign country or company that does business with the Central Bank.

Without some discussions to force Iran to change its policies, “we are on a collision course,” Feinstein said on “Fox News Sunday” program. “If we want to avoid it, we have to take action to avoid it.”

cont.. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-16/military-force-an-option-against-iran-rogers-says.html

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Former CIA operative Bob Baer expressed his skepticism about the allegation that Iran was behind the plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Robert Baer is a former Middle East CIA field officer and TIME.com's intelligence columnist.  He is also the author of See No Evil, The Devil We Know and The Company We Keep. Here's what he had to say:

"There are very few groups operationally better than Iran’s Quds Force. They know what they are doing. The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted. They don’t let their own citizens get involved. They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims. It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

"So why were they all of a sudden so sloppy? Why would they take this risk now? Who cares about Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Ali Jaber, anyway? He’s not a royal. He’s probably not the main interlocutor between the United States and Saudi Arabia. Why not go for Saudi Prince Bandar in London? Many other targets would serve Iranian interests better."

"Everybody is looking for evidence that there is going to be a confrontation with Iran. Everybody is jumping on this as a sign of conflict to come. But there are many questions here that need to be answered."


Gary Sick is a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s Middle East Institute and an adjunct professor at the School of International and Public Affairs. Sick served on the National Security Council under Presidents Ford, Carter and Reagan. He was the principal White House aide for Iran during the Iranian Revolution and the hostage crisis. In the following blog post, Gary Sick reiterates some of Baer's questions:

"I find this alleged Iranian plot very hard to believe. In fact, this plot, if true, departs from all known Iranian policies and procedures. To be sure, Iran has plenty of reasons to be angry at both the United States and Saudi Arabia. They attribute the recent wave of assassinations of physics professors and students, as well as the intrusion of the Stuxnet worm, to the U.S. and Israel. And the king of Saudi Arabia is reliably reported to have called for the U.S. to bomb Iran."

"Iran has reportedly been involved in past assassinations in Europe and bombings in Argentina and elsewhere. But the assassinations were of Iranian counter-revolutionaries in the 1980s, and the bombings were always carried out by trusted proxies — normally a branch of Hezbollah. Iran’s fingerprints were always concealed beneath one or more layers of disguise."

"Iran has never conducted — or apparently even attempted — an assassination or a bombing inside the U.S. And it is difficult to believe that they would rely on a non-Islamic criminal gang to carry out this most sensitive of all possible missions. In this instance, they allegedly relied on at least one amateur and a Mexican criminal drug gang that is known to be riddled with both Mexican and U.S. intelligence agents."

"Whatever else may be Iran’s failings, they are not noted for utter disregard of the most basic intelligence tradecraft, e.g. discussing an ultra-covert operation on an open international line between Iran and the U.S. Yet that is what happened here. Perhaps this operation is just as it appears. But at a minimum both the public and the Congress should demand more detailed evidence before taking any rash or irreversible action. If Iran is really as stupid and as incompetent as this case implies, then perhaps they are their own worst enemy and not the clever and determined adversary that they are made out to be."




Cont... http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/12/questions-from-former-cia-operative-baer-about-the-alleged-iranian-plot/

someone else brought up an excellent point.  The Mexican drug cartels bring in $64 Billion a year and the Iranians were going to buy their services on a task of this magnitude for 1.5 million lol...

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NYT has never voiced skepticism in regards to accusations toward Iran... But they are now...

New York Times Leads the Swell of Skepticism at the Iran Plot
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/10/new-york-times-leads-swell-skepticism-iran-plot/43624/

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Alleged Iranian Assassination Plot Suspicious, Experts Say

WASHINGTON - U.S. Justice Department charges that elements of Iran's government were behind a foiled plot on the life of Saudi Arabia's U.S. ambassador have boggled the minds of many Americans knowledgeable about both Iran and terrorism.

The alleged target and modus operandi – employing a Mexican drug cartel to blow up Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir at a Washington restaurant – are unusual, to say the least, for a government that has focused on political dissidents and theatres of war closer to home.

"Fishy, fishy, fishy,'' Bruce Riedel, a CIA veteran who was formerly in charge of the Near East and South Asia on the White House National Security Council, told IPS. "That Iran engages in assassinations is old news. That it would use a Mexican drug cartel would be new."

Iran has not been behind a political assassination in the United States since a year after the 1979 revolution, when an African-American convert to Islam, Daoud Salahuddin, killed the former press attaché at the Iranian Embassy, Ali Akbar Tabatabai, in a Washington suburb.

Iran was also responsible for assassinations of Iranian dissidents in Europe in the 1980s and early 1990s but used its own agents or members of Hezbollah, a Lebanese Shiite organization that Iran helped create following the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon.

Hezbollah is believed responsible for the 1983 bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut and a spate of other bombings and abductions in Lebanon.

More recently, Iran has allegedly backed local proxies responsible for the deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

U.S. experts on Iranian spy agencies and tradecraft say the hare-brained scheme described in the Justice Department complaint does not resemble the operations of the Quds Force, the external arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards (IRGC). Al-Quds means Jerusalem in Arabic.

"Nothing about this adds up," said Kenneth Katzman, author of a book on the IRGC and expert on Iran at the Congressional Research Service.

"Iran does not use non-Muslim groups or people who are not trusted members or associates of the Quds force," Katzman said. "Iran does not blow up buildings in Washington that invites retaliation against the Iranian homeland."

Indeed, the timing would be extremely awkward for Iran, which is already facing growing isolation because of its nuclear program and domestic abuses of human rights.

This weekend, Ahmed Shaheed, the new U.N. special rapporteur on human rights to Iran, will release his first report, which is expected to excoriate the Iranian government for its treatment of its own citizens, especially in the aftermath of disputed 2009 presidential elections.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/13

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Re: Is the leftwing actually buying this shit?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 03:02:59 PM »
This thing is a laughable joke on its face.   

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Re: Is the leftwing actually buying this shit?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 04:31:04 PM »
This thing is a laughable joke on its face.  
It seems like it's the libertarian types willing to call bullshit on this.  But a lot of conservative republican types, even on this board don't want to touch this.  I wonder why?  Under Clinton, they would have been all over this like shit on flies.  With the very valid and credible skepticism coming rapidly on this, why is it being ignored by not only the left but oddly by a lot of the right?

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Re: Is the leftwing actually buying this shit?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 04:36:48 PM »
about 2 minutes after this story broke, i posted a thread talking about how much bullshite it sounded. 

it's cool to see neocons come around to the way of thinking of a kneepadding shitbag lib like me.

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Re: Is the leftwing actually buying this shit?
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 04:49:43 PM »
about 2 minutes after this story broke, i posted a thread talking about how much bullshite it sounded.  

it's cool to see neocons come around to the way of thinking of a kneepadding shitbag lib like me.
and where do you see that happening?  It's not. There's 3333 who is willing to look at any angle that might make Obama look bad and even he is tiptoeing on this--other than 3333, only Kazan voiced suspicion.

With the analysis coming out skeptical and even saying this is outright unlikely, you would think the right would be all over this but pretty much they're holding back.  Why?  Is it because they spent so much time over the years saying this kind of thing can't happen or what?

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Re: Is the leftwing actually buying this shit?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 05:00:26 PM »
maybe repubs trust the govt more than dems?

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Re: Is the leftwing actually buying this shit?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 05:22:39 PM »
maybe repubs trust the govt more than dems?
hahaha...  you know that's not true lol...

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2011, 12:30:43 PM »
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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2011, 12:36:10 PM »
and where do you see that happening?  It's not. There's 3333 who is willing to look at any angle that might make Obama look bad and even he is tiptoeing on this--other than 3333, only Kazan voiced suspicion.

With the analysis coming out skeptical and even saying this is outright unlikely, you would think the right would be all over this but pretty much they're holding back.  Why?  Is it because they spent so much time over the years saying this kind of thing can't happen or what?
or could it be that some ppl want to withold judgement until more facts and info are available?

I know there are alot of ppl that like to jump to conclusions on this board evidenced by the cain plan bashing but lets see what they have and then will judge huh?

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2011, 12:46:32 PM »
or could it be that some ppl want to withold judgement until more facts and info are available?

I know there are alot of ppl that like to jump to conclusions on this board evidenced by the cain plan bashing but lets see what they have and then will judge huh?
LOL... You're not going to ever see what they have.  All your going to get is Diane Feinstien, Holder and Obama saying that the evidence is strong.  What you can say for 100% sure at this point is that this operation is absolutely absurd based on the known facts about how the quds force operate.  This is so sloppy it's completely unbelievable IMO.  It would be like casting Don Knotts as 007 lol...

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2011, 01:01:24 PM »
LOL... You're not going to ever see what they have.  All your going to get is Diane Feinstien, Holder and Obama saying that the evidence is strong.  What you can say for 100% sure at this point is that this operation is absolutely absurd based on the known facts about how the quds force operate.  This is so sloppy it's completely unbelievable IMO.  It would be like casting Don Knotts as 007 lol...
so all we have is speculation? so youre speculating on speculation?

I think if they do take some military action they would give us a firmer idea of what they had.

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 01:15:29 PM »
so all we have is speculation? so youre speculating on speculation?
I think if they do take some military action they would give us a firmer idea of what they had.
No, not the portion of this that we're talking about.  The only speculation that would be required right now is what strong intel they have that 100% links this to Iran leadership.  All I said is that they will most likely not tell us what that is in any meaningful detail.  In other words, this isn't something you wait for the facts on before commenting.  Now that isn't the same thing as waiting for Cain to explain his plan in detail.  We know that has to be coming or he'll have problems.

What's being talked about in this thread is WHAT IS KNOWN!!!!  It's that the known facts are in such extreme contradiction that troubles many and that is absolutely worth talking about.  This has Wag the Dog Part II written all over it.

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2011, 04:01:40 AM »
It is a total inside job just to cause distraction from F&F as well as give more reasons for the neo cons to try to push war with Iran.  Our government is famous for false flag operations.  No one is buying this B.S. anymore.
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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2011, 07:21:17 AM »
I didn't know that the so called "neo cons" were still controlling the US government? Democraps still have the white house and Senate, but somehow the "neo cons" are still in power and somehow they are still provoking wars.

It doesn't make sense because it's all crap from the lying left.

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2011, 08:18:56 AM »
Keystone Cops Wag The Dog (Another Smoke Screen?)
Personal Liberty Digest ^ | Bob Livingston




With investigations into U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s complicity in the Fast and Furious guns to Mexico criminality gaining steam, and public appetite for another U.S. war in another Mideast nation waning, President Barack Obama needed a big play.

What he got was a four-base error.

At a news conference last week announcing a thwarted assassination plot, Holder said the plot was the work of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which is the guardian of Iran’s 32-year revolution, and the Quds force, its covert, operational arm, according to a (Reuters report)


“High-up officials in those (Iranian) agencies, which is an integral part of the Iranian government, were responsible for this plot,” Holder told the news conference.

If so, they must have planned it about four hours into a booze- and cocaine-fueled night of poker, because it is one of the most convoluted, pathetically inept, unprofessional hits ever concocted. A 10-year-old semi-literate could have devised a plan with a better chance of success.

The “plot,” such as it was, came to light in early summer. Press reports say President Barack Obama was briefed on it in June. The “mastermind,” an Iranian-American used-car salesman said to have a penchant for alcohol and prostitutes and described as (scatterbrained), was arrested in September. But the Obama Administration saved the announcement for the same day a Congressional investigation announced Holder was being subpoenaed over his lying testimony about Fast and Furious.

The problem for Obama and Holder is that not even their normally fawning press corps is buying the story, simply because it is so ridiculous.


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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2011, 08:37:34 AM »
CT territory here.

And i don't remember this kind of criticism when 5 half-retarded, illiterate, broke, haitain dishwashers planned to blow us the sears tower.

Bush made such a big deal about barely saving the day.  Was he full of shit too, 33?

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2011, 10:07:54 AM »
I didn't know that the so called "neo cons" were still controlling the US government? Democraps still have the white house and Senate, but somehow the "neo cons" are still in power and somehow they are still provoking wars.

It doesn't make sense because it's all crap from the lying left.

The "neo cons" are the Israeli Lobby and their Evangelical backers.  Both Far Left Democrats, Far Right Republicans, and everyone else in between support the lobby and attend big AIPAC-sponsored events.  There are some guys like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul that do not on principle support all their endeavors, but both those guys are portrayed as lunatics in the media.

Israel has been wanting to attack for some years now and now that Iran's nuclear ambitions and proof of it appear to be tapering off, they need a smoking gun, manufactured or not.  They will not attack without the complete backing of the US military, in spite of so-called fears of them doing so.

Democrats still do what the Neo-Cons under Bush did.......huge majority voting for both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars....the bombing of Libya...pro-Democracy movements in Egypt and Syria, troops to Uganda.  The Democrats are no less hawkish than their Republican colleagues are.

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 11:04:16 AM »
CT territory here.

And i don't remember this kind of criticism when 5 half-retarded, illiterate, broke, haitain dishwashers planned to blow us the sears tower.

Bush made such a big deal about barely saving the day.  Was he full of shit too, 33?
the nexus continues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  now that's the change we were looking... oh wait lol...

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 11:12:47 AM »
So let me get this correct. The Iranians took our embassy and held out people hostage, are state sponsors of terror, are responsible for the deaths of 1000's of troops in Iraq..........

But this, this time they have gone to far!?!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2011, 11:36:51 AM »
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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2011, 11:38:27 AM »
Inside job, just for an excuse to go to war with Iran.   ;D

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Re: Military Force an Option Against Iran, Rogers Says
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2011, 11:42:28 AM »
LOL, listen to the people who knew him later in this video.  They describe him as being nice and likable but scatterbrained and not capable of organizing this:





LOL... everyone thinks this is a total joke!