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Re: IF A CALORIE IS JUST A CALORIE.............................
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2011, 09:02:35 PM »
Well aren't there different types of protein that your body processes differently:  Whey vs Soy vs Caseine vs egg protein etc

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all proteins have different amino acids profiles...thats why are all differents....in order to build tissue the protein must have optimal aminoacid profile... high biological proteins have them..

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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2011, 09:06:59 PM »
seriously. veggies are only good for maintaining health. They have no role when it comes to muscle building

LOL....so building muscle and maintaining health have no correlation? Seriously?

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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2011, 11:23:06 PM »
youll have to eat 6 snickers bars to get 25 grams of protein and that means youll have to eat about 1500 calories.

whereas with chicken, whey, tuna, or any other source of lean protein you can get 25 grams for about 100-150 calories.


on top of that, snickers bars dont contain all the essential amino acids.

long story short...   eat meats or eggs or protein powder to get your protien. the rest of your calories can be watever you like.



LOL....so building muscle and maintaining health have no correlation? Seriously?
in fact id say the worse something is for health the better it is for body composition.

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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2011, 11:36:51 PM »
You guys are missing sooo many components relating to nutrition it's kind of sad. Its not NEARLY as black and white as you think it is.

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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2011, 11:42:02 PM »



 in fact id say the worse something is for health the better it is for body composition.

ther is a lot of truth to this sentence,, im impressed,, you are right,, notice how aftr you eat pizza....and after you eat icecream ,, and agfter you eat sushi all day ....your muscles while on trenbolona will be much better looking compared to if you ate dry chiken and rice all day ,, the thicknesning happen and fast ,, and it is muscle push through the skin and with gh it is growing to new dimention so fast,,

the lie of strict diet is just that,, a lie,, no bodybuild got to be big and lean  by eating dry chiken and rice,,iot doesnt work this way ,, no one,, when we start serious competetive bodybuild we already been to bodybuild for long time and ate whatever and been on so many drugs before hand when we ate whatever and grew the most then ,, this is HOW WE THOGUHT ABOUT COMPETING!! THIS IS HOW WE GOT TO GO TO DO NATIONALS SO FAST,,, BECAUSE WE HAD THE SIZE!!

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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2011, 11:46:25 PM »
ther is a lot of truth to this sentence,, im impressed,, you are right,, notice how aftr you eat pizza....and after you eat icecream ,, and agfter you eat sushi all day ....your muscles while on trenbolona will be much better looking compared to if you ate dry chiken and rice all day ,, the thicknesning happen and fast ,, and it is muscle push through the skin and with gh it is growing to new dimention so fast,,

the lie of strict diet is just that,, a lie,, no bodybuild got to be big and lean  by eating dry chiken and rice,,iot doesnt work this way ,, no one,, when we start serious competetive bodybuild we already been to bodybuild for long time and ate whatever and been on so many drugs before hand when we ate whatever and grew the most then ,, this is HOW WE THOGUHT ABOUT COMPETING!! THIS IS HOW WE GOT TO GO TO DO NATIONALS SO FAST,,, BECAUSE WE HAD THE SIZE!!

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most still have to diet the last few weeks, you will at least admit to that, right (not all, but most)?

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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2011, 11:50:45 PM »
youll have to eat 6 snickers bars to get 25 grams of protein and that means youll have to eat about 1500 calories.

whereas with chicken, whey, tuna, or any other source of lean protein you can get 25 grams for about 100-150 calories.


on top of that, snickers bars dont contain all the essential amino acids.

long story short...   eat meats or eggs or protein powder to get your protien. the rest of your calories can be watever you like.


 in fact id say the worse something is for health the better it is for body composition.
How much protein per day would you say its ideal tbombz? and the remaining cals, do you just substitute them with "junk"?

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2011, 11:54:29 PM »
most still have to diet the last few weeks, you will at least admit to that, right (not all, but most)?

duh,, lol you need to diet in prep,, at the end of prep ofcourse,, how else can you see 4%? 4% is not 6% its big diff this last 2 % this is when diet come to place

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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2011, 11:55:45 PM »
duh,, lol you need to diet in prep,, at the end of prep ofcourse,, how else can you see 4%? 4% is not 6% its big diff this last 2 % this is when diet come to place

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NO shit.  I think the problem with all the shit this guy is spewing on here is that a lot of these kids think there is zero dieting required at any stage.  It would be nice to here him say it for once.

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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2011, 12:29:44 AM »
Where's the veggies?

I never eat them.

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« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2011, 02:15:01 AM »
You guys are missing sooo many components relating to nutrition it's kind of sad. Its not NEARLY as black and white as you think it is.

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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2011, 02:41:25 AM »
You can only lead the horse to the water.

Yup, nutrition is not nearly as black and white as it's being made out here. That being said, I personally think all the arguments about the "best" bodybuilding are pretty worthless since dieting without steroids is an exercise in futility for all but the genetically elite (the guys who were probably already ripped before dieting). You can try all the crazy diets you want--brown rice and chicken, MacDonalds, etc.--and you're still gonna end up a twig if you do it naturally.

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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2011, 07:58:38 AM »
Sounds like no one is listening.......GH15 is saying it over and over...( you still have to be able to read between the lines.)  Carbs are key!  It fuels the muscle, not the protein.  Quality carbs...not McD's junk and snickers( not 30 day fucking experiment, but for years, lifetime, etc) 

You ever hear of a protein deficiency? NO! 

You ever hear of a carb deficiency?  YES, "He looks flat, small, etc....."

GH15 says over and over....we don't eat dry chicken and broccoli with 1/2 cup brown rice = flat physique, why......no carbs to turn into glucose to go into the muscle for fuel......you turn very little protein/fat into glucose...very hard process on body, that's why you are flat....high protein/fat diet = nothing to store in muscle = flat looking muscle.  Sure you feel good for a while, physiological effect from loosing fat, due to that's all the body has to burn cause what you put in your mouth is not fuel, and of that shit you put in your mouth,  the body can use very little.  Why do you think they "crab up" right before a show? 

GH15 says....eat your sushi, pasta, pizza, Jamaican...etc.  All = carbs!

I disagree with the eggwhites thing, but the point is the same, he talks about carbs 10x more than eggwhites.

Yes, you need some protein, very little in relation to carbs.  As you become more active or gain more weight, your total calorie ( read carb,) requirement goes up, and protein requirement goes up to, but it does not go up more than carbs, it only goes up in relation to.

Protein plays a very small role, but just because it's role is small does not mean it is not very important.  All those studies of high protein vs. low protein are vs. under carbed people/test subjects.......or might be paid for by the protein industries.....duh! 

All the videos of the pro's eating their secret diet that is revealed to you on their DVD, and they act like no big deal.....Jay cutler eats 6 chicken breasts and 1 cup brown rice, or variation, 6 - 8 times a day......same as, "I use this protein powder/no2/creatine/blah blah" to get where I'm at today = lie.    No or minimal steroids = lie, bland high protein diet = lie, lie lie lie.  Get it? 

Take a step back from tree and look at whole forest......each tree is a lie to make a forrest of bullshit!  Gotta' start with a lot of common sense, add some GH15 and viola!  Take some hormones, eat quality carbs and become the guy in the magazine or keep taking powders and eating protein.....on your way to frustrated small guy with cardiovascular/health problems. 


Try high carb.....quality high carb ( even cleaner if you are a natural,) SEE the difference. 

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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2011, 08:13:01 AM »
You guys are missing sooo many components relating to nutrition it's kind of sad. Its not NEARLY as black and white as you think it is.

it is true that is not black and white....but we are discussing protein sources here....if you can isolate proteins from peanuts vs anoter protein that come from animal sources....what would be your choice?? you know its goin to be animal sources...right? because you know it has better amino acid profile....

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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2011, 08:14:50 AM »
youll have to eat 6 snickers bars to get 25 grams of protein and that means youll have to eat about 1500 calories.

whereas with chicken, whey, tuna, or any other source of lean protein you can get 25 grams for about 100-150 calories.


on top of that, snickers bars dont contain all the essential amino acids.

long story short...   eat meats or eggs or protein powder to get your protien. the rest of your calories can be watever you like.


in fact id say the worse something is for health the better it is for body composition.

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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2011, 08:15:18 AM »

Sure, you can eat your Snickers and get the 25g of protein you would get from the chicken breast. But unlike the chicken breast, you will have loads of carbs and much more fat in addition to those grams of protein.

It's not just calories, but also the ratio of calories as well.

lol do people really believe this shit? ??? ::)

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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2011, 08:15:24 AM »
Sounds like no one is listening.......GH15 is saying it over and over...( you still have to be able to read between the lines.)  Carbs are key!  It fuels the muscle, not the protein.  Quality carbs...not McD's junk and snickers( not 30 day fucking experiment, but for years, lifetime, etc) 

You ever hear of a protein deficiency? NO! 

You ever hear of a carb deficiency?  YES, "He looks flat, small, etc....."

GH15 says over and over....we don't eat dry chicken and broccoli with 1/2 cup brown rice = flat physique, why......no carbs to turn into glucose to go into the muscle for fuel......you turn very little protein/fat into glucose...very hard process on body, that's why you are flat....high protein/fat diet = nothing to store in muscle = flat looking muscle.  Sure you feel good for a while, physiological effect from loosing fat, due to that's all the body has to burn cause what you put in your mouth is not fuel, and of that shit you put in your mouth,  the body can use very little.  Why do you think they "crab up" right before a show? 

GH15 says....eat your sushi, pasta, pizza, Jamaican...etc.  All = carbs!

I disagree with the eggwhites thing, but the point is the same, he talks about carbs 10x more than eggwhites.

Yes, you need some protein, very little in relation to carbs.  As you become more active or gain more weight, your total calorie ( read carb,) requirement goes up, and protein requirement goes up to, but it does not go up more than carbs, it only goes up in relation to.

Protein plays a very small role, but just because it's role is small does not mean it is not very important.  All those studies of high protein vs. low protein are vs. under carbed people/test subjects.......or might be paid for by the protein industries.....duh! 

All the videos of the pro's eating their secret diet that is revealed to you on their DVD, and they act like no big deal.....Jay cutler eats 6 chicken breasts and 1 cup brown rice, or variation, 6 - 8 times a day......same as, "I use this protein powder/no2/creatine/blah blah" to get where I'm at today = lie.    No or minimal steroids = lie, bland high protein diet = lie, lie lie lie.  Get it? 

Take a step back from tree and look at whole forest......each tree is a lie to make a forrest of bullshit!  Gotta' start with a lot of common sense, add some GH15 and viola!  Take some hormones, eat quality carbs and become the guy in the magazine or keep taking powders and eating protein.....on your way to frustrated small guy with cardiovascular/health problems. 


Try high carb.....quality high carb ( even cleaner if you are a natural,) SEE the difference. 
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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2011, 08:59:40 AM »
Sounds like no one is listening.......GH15 is saying it over and over...( you still have to be able to read between the lines.)  Carbs are key!  It fuels the muscle, not the protein.  Quality carbs...not McD's junk and snickers( not 30 day fucking experiment, but for years, lifetime, etc) 

You ever hear of a protein deficiency? NO! 

You ever hear of a carb deficiency?  YES, "He looks flat, small, etc....."

GH15 says over and over....we don't eat dry chicken and broccoli with 1/2 cup brown rice = flat physique, why......no carbs to turn into glucose to go into the muscle for fuel......you turn very little protein/fat into glucose...very hard process on body, that's why you are flat....high protein/fat diet = nothing to store in muscle = flat looking muscle.  Sure you feel good for a while, physiological effect from loosing fat, due to that's all the body has to burn cause what you put in your mouth is not fuel, and of that shit you put in your mouth,  the body can use very little.  Why do you think they "crab up" right before a show? 

GH15 says....eat your sushi, pasta, pizza, Jamaican...etc.  All = carbs!

I disagree with the eggwhites thing, but the point is the same, he talks about carbs 10x more than eggwhites.

Yes, you need some protein, very little in relation to carbs.  As you become more active or gain more weight, your total calorie ( read carb,) requirement goes up, and protein requirement goes up to, but it does not go up more than carbs, it only goes up in relation to.

Protein plays a very small role, but just because it's role is small does not mean it is not very important.  All those studies of high protein vs. low protein are vs. under carbed people/test subjects.......or might be paid for by the protein industries.....duh! 

All the videos of the pro's eating their secret diet that is revealed to you on their DVD, and they act like no big deal.....Jay cutler eats 6 chicken breasts and 1 cup brown rice, or variation, 6 - 8 times a day......same as, "I use this protein powder/no2/creatine/blah blah" to get where I'm at today = lie.    No or minimal steroids = lie, bland high protein diet = lie, lie lie lie.  Get it? 

Take a step back from tree and look at whole forest......each tree is a lie to make a forrest of bullshit!  Gotta' start with a lot of common sense, add some GH15 and viola!  Take some hormones, eat quality carbs and become the guy in the magazine or keep taking powders and eating protein.....on your way to frustrated small guy with cardiovascular/health problems. 


Try high carb.....quality high carb ( even cleaner if you are a natural,) SEE the difference. 
You must be big, full and shredded.

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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2011, 09:06:04 AM »
How much protein per day would you say its ideal tbombz? and the remaining cals, do you just substitute them with "junk"?
1 gram per lb lean bodyweight...   yeah, except maybe i add a tiny bit of healthy fats at times to aid in protein digestion/metabolism.. but only a little bit and only when i havent had any fats or carbs for a couple meals in a row.. like a teaspoon of olive oil..


i look and feel much much better when eating "junk" food as compared to when i try to eat "clean". seems like the body just responds much better to the feeling of being overloaded with calories at times then deprived of them at other times  rather than the slow and steady feed of "just enough" calories coming for "clean" sources.    i dont think it ever feels "fed" when you eat that way. 

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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2011, 10:05:36 AM »
1 gram per lb lean bodyweight...   yeah, except maybe i add a tiny bit of healthy fats at times to aid in protein digestion/metabolism.. but only a little bit and only when i havent had any fats or carbs for a couple meals in a row.. like a teaspoon of olive oil..


i look and feel much much better when eating "junk" food as compared to when i try to eat "clean". seems like the body just responds much better to the feeling of being overloaded with calories at times then deprived of them at other times  rather than the slow and steady feed of "just enough" calories coming for "clean" sources.    i dont think it ever feels "fed" when you eat that way. 
cool man.

Im down on 4 meals a day right now and trying to do something like this...

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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2011, 01:14:34 PM »
GH15:  DO you have any nutritional regimines for someone who isn't on hormones? 

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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2011, 01:17:43 PM »
cool man.

Im down on 4 meals a day right now and trying to do something like this...

i would just go something like this

meal 1= 55 grams protein

meal 2=55 grams protein

meal 3=55 grams protein

meal 4=55 grams protein


and then whenever you feel like eating go ahead and choose whatever sounds the most appetizing to you at the moment and eat untill you feel full.  youll never be hungry and youl always be completely satisfied.

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« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2011, 03:45:29 PM »
i've been doing my prep with oats and blueberries as my carbs for 3-5 days, then when i get real flat ill eat a box of sugary cereal like froot loops or something... ill look completely different an hour after and mentally feel restored and satisfied. no amount of rice or potatoes has the same effect, ill just feel bloated in my stomach, muscles will remain flat and ill still crave "junk".

even arnold had this shit figured out back in the 70's... he'd eat high protein and low carbs through the week when gettin ready for a show, then when he'd feel really flat he'd eat an entire cake and that's what he liked to eat to fill out. tom platz said he witnessed this on an airplane one time... he said arnold's arms looked smooth and then arnold takes out a carrot cake and eats the whole thing. after he was done eating it tom said arnolds arms looked like they were gonna explode and the veins looked like garden hoses.

this is seriously the way to go... chicken and broccoli lol  ::)

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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2011, 08:00:32 PM »
GH15..Didn't you also say that different "supps" work better with different protein foods?

Yes, you always said eat ice cream, another "guru diet coach" said this as well, to eat regular ice cream not the low fat kind, but he said it way after you said it....

Sushi-pizza-chinese food-bugers-bbq-panckaes do work, but like you said in moderation and depending what "supps" you take...only way to get swole...

Thanks for great info again....

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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2011, 08:14:25 PM »
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i've been doing my prep with oats and blueberries as my carbs for 3-5 days, then when i get real flat ill eat a box of sugary cereal like froot loops or something... ill look completely different an hour after and mentally feel restored and satisfied. no amount of rice or potatoes has the same effect, ill just feel bloated in my stomach, muscles will remain flat and ill still crave "junk".

even arnold had this shit figured out back in the 70's... he'd eat high protein and low carbs through the week when gettin ready for a show, then when he'd feel really flat he'd eat an entire cake and that's what he liked to eat to fill out. tom platz said he witnessed this on an airplane one time... he said arnold's arms looked smooth and then arnold takes out a carrot cake and eats the whole thing. after he was done eating it tom said arnolds arms looked like they were gonna explode and the veins looked like garden hoses.

this is seriously the way to go... chicken and broccoli lol 

Cake and junk = easy white sugar....just combined with lotsa fats.   Like when your mommy said, be careful who you hang out with, little Jimmy down the street has some cool toys but at the end of the day, the little asshole can't help but get in serious trouble.  Don't get dragged into it......

I think falconitis mentioned his penchant for juice with his rice....quick easy sugar ( carbs )  with his complex carbs.  That's one way to do it.