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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2011, 07:44:32 AM »


Are you deaf and dumb???...TARP was already signed into law.  Regardless as to who took office, they would have inherited that deficit and because it was signed with no stipulations to the banks, there's no way to recover those funds.  Obama could have supported it or not supported it but it would not have made any difference... ::)


Hey idiot - obama flew in to DC to support TARP and was being backed by the bankers early in the campaign for him to get behind it.   


Again - take off your 95er glasses for a second and wake up.   

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2011, 07:45:30 AM »
wait, obama wasn't the president treatening martial law unless TARP passed?   golly.

 ::)  ::)

I am convinced you dont even read what you type anymore.   You just cobble a few words together and press "post" and see if it sticks. 

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2011, 08:00:07 AM »
More lies from Obama -









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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2011, 10:37:27 AM »
Well, you just pointed out something....





Obama clearly stated that he did not want the banks to be written a blank check....unfortunately after it was voted on, that provision was removed.
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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2011, 10:39:04 AM »
 ::)  ::)

Obama has a silly little habbit of saying one thing in public and doing the EXACT opposite in private in case you have not figured that out by now.   

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2011, 11:36:02 AM »
I like how right winger/Obama blamers conveniently forget that "Obama's" deficit includes all the debt payments accumulated by the prior administration.   I like how they also conveniently forget that he took office at at time when federal tax revenue was plummeting (again thanks to previous admiministration) and that he was in a situation where he had to spend $$$'s to try to mitigate the financial disaster handed to him by the previous administration.   It's also helpful to forget that Obama included the wars in the budget unlike the previous administration

Let's just forget all that and pretend Obama came into office with a budget surplus and with national debt actually being paid down and on track to be retired by 2010 (oh wait, that was the previous administration too)


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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2011, 11:41:45 AM »
I like how right winger/Obama blamers conveniently forget that "Obama's" deficit includes all the debt payments accumulated by the prior administration.   I like how they also conveniently forget that he took office at at time when federal tax revenue was plummeting (again thanks to previous admiministration) and that he was in a situation where he had to spend $$$'s to try to mitigate the financial disaster handed to him by the previous administration.   It's also helpful to forget that Obama included the wars in the budget unlike the previous administration

Let's just forget all that and pretend Obama came into office with a budget surplus and with national debt actually being paid down and on track to be retired by 2010 (oh wait, that was the previous administration too)



Obama’s and Bush’s real effects on the deficit in one graph
http://dailycaller.com/ ^ | July 30 2011 | By Steve McMillin

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2011 7:49:40 PM by Para-Ord.45

Ezra Klein recently posted a New York Times graphic supporting his view that the deficit is primarily the fault of former President Bush and his predecessors, rather than President Obama. Interestingly, he makes no attempt to claim that Obama’s policies have reduced the deficit, just that Obama’s deficit increases were smaller than Bush’s.

Leave aside for a moment the fact that Bush’s entire eight-year record is being compared to policies enacted during Obama’s first two and a half years. The fundamental flaw in the New York Times graphic is that it assumes that a president’s fiscal policy is confined to “new” policies enacted under his watch. Every year, the president proposes a budget that contains a mix of new policies and old policies. The result is a comprehensive vision of what federal tax and spending policy ought to be. A president who simply continues the fiscal policy he inherits must bear his share of responsibility for its consequences.

A prime example of this is the “Bush tax cuts,” which the New York Times graphic charges solely to President Bush, conveniently ignoring the fact that President Obama supports making most of the cuts permanent and signed into law a two-year extension of all of them. President Bush also signed a new Medicare drug benefit into law. But President Obama didn’t repeal this new spending, he expanded it.

Below is a graphic that focuses on the results of fiscal policy, not simply on adjustments made on the margins of fiscal policy. If anything, the analysis is overly generous to President Obama because: (1) it assigns full responsibility for Fiscal Year 2009 to President Bush, despite the enactment by Obama of the stimulus, higher domestic appropriations and an expansion of TARP spending during that year; and (2) it gives Obama credit for the policies he intends to enact for the rest of his presidency, since we cannot judge his actual future record. The graphic compares the records of these two presidents based on the deficits, revenues and spending incurred by the federal government on their watch, expressed as a percentage of GDP.

The results show one surprise — thanks in part to the recession and tax stimulus measures which have temporarily lowered federal revenues, Bush and Obama tax policies yield virtually the same amount of revenues on average. But the real story is the comparison of spending. Obama’s policies result in historically high spending as a share of the economy, which in turn results in historically high deficits.

To President Obama’s credit, he has begun to embrace the need for a change in direction, though he was dragged there kicking and screaming by Republicans and continues to insist that significant spending cuts be linked to higher taxes. In contrast, Bush’s initiatives were opposed at every turn by congressional Democrats, who insisted on even higher spending.



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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2011, 12:04:07 PM »
Obama’s and Bush’s real effects on the deficit in one graph
http://dailycaller.com/ ^ | July 30 2011 | By Steve McMillin

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2011 7:49:40 PM by Para-Ord.45

Ezra Klein recently posted a New York Times graphic supporting his view that the deficit is primarily the fault of former President Bush and his predecessors, rather than President Obama. Interestingly, he makes no attempt to claim that Obama’s policies have reduced the deficit, just that Obama’s deficit increases were smaller than Bush’s.

Leave aside for a moment the fact that Bush’s entire eight-year record is being compared to policies enacted during Obama’s first two and a half years. The fundamental flaw in the New York Times graphic is that it assumes that a president’s fiscal policy is confined to “new” policies enacted under his watch. Every year, the president proposes a budget that contains a mix of new policies and old policies. The result is a comprehensive vision of what federal tax and spending policy ought to be. A president who simply continues the fiscal policy he inherits must bear his share of responsibility for its consequences.

A prime example of this is the “Bush tax cuts,” which the New York Times graphic charges solely to President Bush, conveniently ignoring the fact that President Obama supports making most of the cuts permanent and signed into law a two-year extension of all of them. President Bush also signed a new Medicare drug benefit into law. But President Obama didn’t repeal this new spending, he expanded it.

Below is a graphic that focuses on the results of fiscal policy, not simply on adjustments made on the margins of fiscal policy. If anything, the analysis is overly generous to President Obama because: (1) it assigns full responsibility for Fiscal Year 2009 to President Bush, despite the enactment by Obama of the stimulus, higher domestic appropriations and an expansion of TARP spending during that year; and (2) it gives Obama credit for the policies he intends to enact for the rest of his presidency, since we cannot judge his actual future record. The graphic compares the records of these two presidents based on the deficits, revenues and spending incurred by the federal government on their watch, expressed as a percentage of GDP.

The results show one surprise — thanks in part to the recession and tax stimulus measures which have temporarily lowered federal revenues, Bush and Obama tax policies yield virtually the same amount of revenues on average. But the real story is the comparison of spending. Obama’s policies result in historically high spending as a share of the economy, which in turn results in historically high deficits.

To President Obama’s credit, he has begun to embrace the need for a change in direction, though he was dragged there kicking and screaming by Republicans and continues to insist that significant spending cuts be linked to higher taxes. In contrast, Bush’s initiatives were opposed at every turn by co ngressional Democrats, who insisted on even higher spending.




hey dumbass

how about a  link to the actual story so I can see the graphs they are referring to in the story and judge for myself if it's even accurate

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2011, 12:17:54 PM »
Saw you posted Ezra klein and just laughed my ass off.   He is probably the dumbest most ill-informed dweeb of the leftist lot.   No wonder you quoted his moronic ass. 

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2011, 02:32:15 PM »
Saw you posted Ezra klein and just laughed my ass off.   He is probably the dumbest most ill-informed dweeb of the leftist lot.   No wonder you quoted his moronic ass. 

Klein runs circles around your retarded ass

and I'll take the Washington Post over a website started by Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel (former advisor to Dick Cheney)

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2011, 02:34:00 PM »
Klein runs circles around your retarded ass

and I'll take the Washington Post over a website started by Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel (former advisor to Dick Cheney)

LMFAO!  


Ezra klein has been wrong about nearly everything from Day 1!  

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/06/ezra-klein-should-stick-to-being-wrong-about-health-care.html



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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2011, 03:59:10 PM »
I'd like to once again congratulate President Downgrade, Nancy Piglosi  and Dingy Reidon another record set. 3 straight years of running $1+ trillion deficits with NOTHING to show for it! Congratulations! Incompetence like that only comes around once in a generation!

Congrats guys and gal, you've earned it!

P.S. Ezra Klein is laughably stupid individual and it's not the least bit surprising that another bright spot like Captain Keynesian Straw Man uses him as his go-to source.

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2011, 04:02:29 PM »
LMFAO!  


Ezra klein has been wrong about nearly everything from Day 1!  

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/06/ezra-klein-should-stick-to-being-wrong-about-health-care.html

wow - a random blogger doesn't agree with Kleins review of a movie

good job counselor

thanks for taking time out of your busy day of searching for "confirmation" of a random photo to provide this valuable information

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2011, 04:05:07 PM »
LMFAO!   


Ezra klein has been wrong about nearly everything from Day 1! 

lolzerrs..... i did a search on 333386+ezra.

you quote that dude as credible a lot when he bashes obama..

would paste, but why...

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2011, 04:07:28 PM »
lolzerrs..... i did a search on 333386+ezra.

you quote that dude as credible a lot when he bashes obama..

would paste, but why...

I've yet to see Ezra Klein bash Obama. The only thing he criticizes him is for not being liberal enough. Much like our own Titans of Keynesianism, Straw Man and kcballer, Klein thinks we can spend to infinity and everything will be peachy.

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2011, 04:08:00 PM »
lolzerrs..... i did a search on 333386+ezra.

you quote that dude as credible a lot when he bashes obama..

would paste, but why...

lol

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2011, 04:09:35 PM »
I've yet to see Ezra Klein bash Obama. The only thing he criticizes him is for not being liberal enough. Much like our own Titans of Keynesianism, Straw Man and kcballer, Klein thinks we can spend to infinity and everything will be peachy.

don't forget the tea party

they are Keynesians too

I've given you quotes where there talk about how military spending stimulates the economy as a reason why it can't but cut

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2011, 04:13:08 PM »
don't forget the tea party

they are Keynesians too

I've given you quotes where there talk about how military spending stimulates the economy as a reason why it can't but cut

Pay attention, sweetheart. *Snaps finger like one does to get a dog's attention*. You listening? Good. Read this next part slowly now, OK? This thread isn't about the Tea Party. It's about your Messiah, Barack Obama, setting a record by running $1+ trillion deficits for three years straight.

You argue that we can spend to infinity and fix the economy. Reasonable people say that we have a $15 trillion debt and $60-100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Anyway, we've seen what constitutes "Keynesian stimulus" with you leftists: payoffs to unions and political allies leading shitty investments in bankrupt companies (Hi, Solyndra!).



I have to say, though, that you name is perfectly fitting. You can't go five posts without building an argument around a straw man.

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2011, 05:08:57 PM »
Pay attention, sweetheart. *Snaps finger like one does to get a dog's attention*. You listening? Good. Read this next part slowly now, OK? This thread isn't about the Tea Party. It's about your Messiah, Barack Obama, setting a record by running $1+ trillion deficits for three years straight.

You argue that we can spend to infinity and fix the economy. Reasonable people say that we have a $15 trillion debt and $60-100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Anyway, we've seen what constitutes "Keynesian stimulus" with you leftists: payoffs to unions and political allies leading shitty investments in bankrupt companies (Hi, Solyndra!).



I have to say, though, that you name is perfectly fitting. You can't go five posts without building an argument around a straw man.


Pay attention sonny

You brought up Keynes

All I did was point out a group that you left of your list

If you have a problem with it then stop responding to my posts

Also do some research on what a Straw Man argument actually is

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2011, 07:16:45 PM »
Pay attention, sweetheart. *Snaps finger like one does to get a dog's attention*. You listening? Good. Read this next part slowly now, OK? This thread isn't about the Tea Party. It's about your Messiah, Barack Obama, setting a record by running $1+ trillion deficits for three years straight.

You argue that we can spend to infinity and fix the economy. Reasonable people say that we have a $15 trillion debt and $60-100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Anyway, we've seen what constitutes "Keynesian stimulus" with you leftists: payoffs to unions and political allies leading shitty investments in bankrupt companies (Hi, Solyndra!).



I have to say, though, that you name is perfectly fitting. You can't go five posts without building an argument around a straw man.




lol

It's funny how when it's the Tea Party, anybody and everybody is representative of the entire party.  But when it's something they support like OWS - the wackos are "fringe" elements.


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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2011, 08:05:41 PM »


lol

It's funny how when it's the Tea Party, anybody and everybody is representative of the entire party.  But when it's something they support like OWS - the wackos are "fringe" elements.

the right wing does this all the time

that's a core tactic of the right

how many times have right wingers on this site posted a video of the same idiot saying Obama is going to pay their mortgage ?



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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2011, 08:11:03 PM »
Well, that is turning out to be true no?   

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2011, 08:20:51 PM »
Well, that is turning out to be true no?    

what is "that" ?

state your premise

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Re: Another Obama record: 3 straight years of $1+ trillion deficits
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2011, 11:00:55 AM »
lol

It's funny how when it's the Tea Party, anybody and everybody is representative of the entire party.  But when it's something they support like OWS - the wackos are "fringe" elements.

anybody and everybody is representative?

you mean like when 333 finds some random picture of a drunk and proclaims it's representative of people who support Obama?

btw - the "anybody and everybody" I was referring to is an actual leader of the something called the Tea Party Nation.   
That's a bit different from some random person.

Here's a quote from the guy himself

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/08/stimulus-thinking

Quote
If we decided to build a couple of new carriers, thousands of workers would be hired for the shipyards.  Thousands of employees would be hired for the steel mills that would provide the steel for the hull and various sub contractors would hire thousands.  Do you know what that means?
It means they would receive paychecks and go out and spend that money.  That would help a recovery.  That is a shovel ready project!
Increasing spending for the military does a couple of things.  It not only not only stimulates the economy
, it protects our nation.  That is a better investment than say spending money on teaching Chinese prostitutes how to drink responsibly.