Kadaffi death price tag: $2 billion & not a single American life lost

[240 is Back]

Pretty good return on investment.  Those numbers are from Biden, minutes ago.

Obama about to do his victory lap speech.  US spearheads the efforts, uses local rebels to get the work done.
Doesn't spend a lot of $, no lives lost - one major bad guy gone.

Oh - and the NATO strikes were flushing out the area to make this possible - french carried out the nato strike?

[Soul Crusher]

Pretty good return on investment.  Those numbers are from Biden, minutes ago.

Obama about to do his victory lap speech.  US spearheads the efforts, uses local rebels to get the work done.
Doesn't spend a lot of $, no lives lost - one major bad guy gone.

Oh - and the NATO strikes were flushing out the area to make this possible - french carried out the nato strike?

How many today?   By now - given that you are about 33 y/o    -  4 - 5? 

[240 is Back]

how many what?

[240 is Back]

$2 bil isn't a bad price tag for the return - one dead terrorist dictator.

you think about the billions we spend on ball washing, tax breaks for exxon, handouts to pakistan, etc...

$2bil for that is a good deal.  If you asked anyone if $6bil would be with hugo, achmedijahad, and nkorea fallen - even RPaul would prob say yes!

[LurkerNoMore]

I think it was local forces using US technology.  From what this article posting says :

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Fifteen pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns lay burned out, smashed and smoldering next to an electricity sub station some 20 meters from the main road, about two miles west of Sirte.

They had clearly been hit by a force far beyond anything the motley army the former rebels have assembled during eight months of revolt to overthrow the once feared leader.

But there was no bomb crater, indicating the strike may have been carried out by a helicopter gunship, or had been strafed by a fighter jet.

Inside the trucks still in their seats sat the charred skeletal remains of drivers and passengers killed instantly by the strike. Other bodies lay mutilated and contorted strewn in the grass. Some 50 bodies in all.

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[240 is Back]

so we got intel they're hiding in this dogfood factory...

we sneak in and strafe the shit out of them with heavy gunfire.

we send in our guys with a handful of local to clean up and make sure there's a body to show off on tv.  Good reason for no bomb crater.

[kcballer]

Blueprint provided for how to do it.  For once we can thank Bush for showing how not to go about removing dictators. 

[240 is Back]

Blueprint provided for how to do it.  For once we can thank Bush for showing how not to go about removing dictators. 

are you saying Bush agreeing to pay NKorea a million barrels of oil to stop setting off nukes = not effective?

[kcballer]

are you saying Bush agreeing to pay NKorea a million barrels of oil to stop setting off nukes = not effective?

I was referring to the Iraq invasion. Diplomacy is effective and requires concessions to be made.  If giving NK a million barrels brings about peace, then that's a good solution.  I don't know exactly what was asked for and given so can't comment much further. 

[headhuntersix]

U would,,because the world is full or roses and unicorns. This was all bullsit.

[kcballer]

U would,,because the world is full or roses and unicorns. This was all bullsit.

Oh yeah because showing force at every turn has really done us well right?   

[headhuntersix]

Are u blind. Iran...china...N. Korea..the various terrorist groups not named AQ..Russia. They smell weakness and see libya for what it was. It illustrated to Russia and China that they need not fear "NATO".  They see Obama go into Libya to protect the people...no evidence mind you of any massacre...however plenty in Syria....crickets there. Its all bullshit.

[kcballer]

Are u blind. Iran...china...N. Korea..the various terrorist groups not named AQ..Russia. They smell weakness and see libya for what it was. It illustrated to Russia and China that they need not fear "NATO".  They see Obama go into Libya to protect the people...no evidence mind you of any massacre...however plenty in Syria....crickets there. Its all bullshit.

Oh no they need not fear us!  What will we do?     Fu*k off with your fear mongering bullsh*t.  It may work in procuring more money for the armed forces but it doesn't do sh*t for me. 

[headhuntersix]

Christ...are all you Libs..limp wristed fags. Do u have any grasp of history at all. You at the very least naive as hell.

[kcballer]

Christ...are all you Libs..limp wristed fags. Do u have any grasp of history at all. You at the very least naive as hell.

Yeah because the procurement of billions of dollars of weapons and the use of force instead of diplomacy is needed right?   

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah because the procurement of billions of dollars of weapons and the use of force instead of diplomacy is needed right?   

What good is diplomacy if you nothing but your cock in your hand to back it up? 

[headhuntersix]

If you don't understand history...u cannot argue this or any point.  Besides did we use diplomacy to oust dingbat..no we used nutbag jihadi's and close air support. Ol Mumar wasn't going to roll over for the UN....it took predators and Mirages...and he still hung on for months.

[Dos Equis]

Return on investment??  What was the investment? 

[240 is Back]

Return on investment??  What was the investment? 

biden said today: 2 billion dollars and zero US lives.

Pretty fair deal for a dictator killing thousands of his own - and 200 americans.

and the EU will twist the shit out of the new guys in charge for good oil prices.  We all know that.

[Soul Crusher]

biden said today: 2 billion dollars and zero US lives.

Pretty fair deal for a dictator killing thousands of his own - and 200 americans.

and the EU will twist the shit out of the new guys in charge for good oil prices.  We all know that.

tell me again why you support RP? 

[Dos Equis]

biden said today: 2 billion dollars and zero US lives.

Pretty fair deal for a dictator killing thousands of his own - and 200 americans.

and the EU will twist the shit out of the new guys in charge for good oil prices.  We all know that.

So the "investment" was killing this guy in exchange for Libya's new government, whomever that may be, lower the price of oil? 

[kcballer]

What good is diplomacy if you nothing but your cock in your hand to back it up? 

Good point.  Diplomacy depends on a balance and right now we have more than enough force if need be.  The idea we need to keep spending billions more on 'bad guys' is nothing more than the military industrial complex at work.  We should have listened to Eisenhower. 

[240 is Back]

So the "investment" was killing this guy in exchange for Libya's new government, whomever that may be, lower the price of oil? 

there were lots of motives for toppling kadaffi.  most of all, he promised to kill tens of thousands of his own citizens.  but this will give us more control over oil prices, does ecaxt revenge and set an example that "even if it takes decades - if you kill americans - we will kill you". 

At least one of the potential replacements "lived" in virginia for the last 20 years and has no employment history despite huge influrnce.  if that doesn't scream US plant puppet, I dont know what does.

The uS history is that we install leaders who play very friendly with it.  iraq, afghanistan.  They let us do what we want.  I suspect this will be the case again.  They get to stay rich, and we retain big decision making power.

Obama came out of htis one looking very good.  It pisses off ppl who hate him, I get that.  the trivial shit youre complaing about - it took too long, who cares, it's been 30 years since kadaffi blew up a plane full of americans....  that's sour grapes.

[andreisdaman]

Pretty good return on investment.  Those numbers are from Biden, minutes ago.

Obama about to do his victory lap speech.  US spearheads the efforts, uses local rebels to get the work done.
Doesn't spend a lot of $, no lives lost - one major bad guy gone.

Oh - and the NATO strikes were flushing out the area to make this possible - french carried out the nato strike?

Obama has taken more victory laps than any president in recent memory

[240 is Back]

Obama has taken more victory laps than any president in recent memory

he's a smug and pompous prick about it, no doubt.  and when they backfire (have any?) he looks like shit on it.

But he does kill an assload of bad guys.  That's a great thing.