inregard trenbolona ace contribution to sub par genetic structures

[dustin]

So is WW wrong? I thought he had experienced with aas?

WW is a good fella but argues with gh15. I stay out of those squabbles. I think WW is knowledgeable but has fallen victim to the internet folklore regarding AAS and other PEDs.

I disagree with how he places trenbologna and insulina on a mythical pedestal. He seems to have the same mindset that beginners should do a cycle of test at 500mg per week for a couple months followed by Nolvadex for PCT. That kind of mindset. I think I've also seen him recommend that people don't use insulin, but for the wrong reasons.

It is a common pitfall that a lot of people fall victim to. I used to say the same thing back when I started as well, but I woke up and snapped out of it. I think anyone should use tren, including beginners. And insulin isn't a magical PED that ONLY pros should use. Anyone with half a brain that can find a way to incorporate insulin should use it. As long as people use safe, moderate doses and use their head then virtually nothing should be "off limits". Why should a beginner not do an effective cycle? So they can "learn" how to use test properly and go from there? Who cares!? Everyone has their own goals, different PEDs, different quality of PEDs and very different life circumstances.


I think people should learn about everything and use whatever is available, the safest and most effective PED. Formulate your own conclusions and STOP, for the love of fucking crumbcake, STOP STOP STOP following cookie cutter cycles!!!! Life is a jigsaw puzzle, yes. But it doesn't mean you try taking other people's puzzle pieces and fitting them into YOUR circumstances. Use your fucking noggins, fellas.

[gh15]

WW is a good fella but argues with gh15. I stay out of those squabbles. I think WW is knowledgeable but has fallen victim to the internet folklore regarding AAS and other PEDs.

I disagree with how he places trenbologna and insulina on a mythical pedestal. He seems to have the same mindset that beginners should do a cycle of test at 500mg per week for a couple months followed by Nolvadex for PCT. That kind of mindset. I think I've also seen him recommend that people don't use insulin, but for the wrong reasons.

It is a common pitfall that a lot of people fall victim to. I used to say the same thing back when I started as well, but I woke up and snapped out of it. I think anyone should use tren, including beginners. And insulin isn't a magical PED that ONLY pros should use. Anyone with half a brain that can find a way to incorporate insulin should use it. As long as people use safe, moderate doses and use their head then virtually nothing should be "off limits". Why should a beginner not do an effective cycle? So they can "learn" how to use test properly and go from there? Who cares!? Everyone has their own goals, different PEDs, different quality of PEDs and very different life circumstances.


I think people should learn about everything and use whatever is available, the safest and most effective PED. Formulate your own conclusions and STOP, for the love of fucking crumbcake, STOP STOP STOP following cookie cutter cycles!!!! Life is a jigsaw puzzle, yes. But it doesn't mean you try taking other people's puzzle pieces and fitting them into YOUR circumstances. Use your fucking noggins, fellas.

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[no one]

no one, did u up dosage of mast in order to deal with both npp and tren at the same time? Do u use mast? Maybe I should send this in pm

when i use npp and tren ace together i dont (read: cant- and ive tried) go over 3-400mg a wk of each compound. i have a great tolerance for anabolics, which is good and bad- i dont get the sides, but i need a lot to grow. anyway running those dosages i found i didnt need the masteron. once you tried running npp and tren together you'll see why i kept it where i did. they're fucking tough on your mental state esp run together. and the hairline. esp npp. i dunno what it is with npp but it makes me shed like crazy, even on 1mg of finesteride ed. i was on 800mg of npp a week. i was loving life. i wasnt loving what it was doing to my hairline.

im not a big fan of masteron- its one of those compounds that i can take or leave and ive used it enough to know if i like it or not. everyones body has an affinity for certain compounds it seems- ever notice how some guys respond to some compounds better than others? for me its anavar, tren, dbol and npp . those compounds my body soaks up. tests of any ester, mastron and i've never had a lot of success with long estered deca my body is like 'meh'.

that last course of winny/var/tren/npp/prop i started to get a little prolactin induced soreness. a little caber and some arimidex took care of it in less than 2 weeks. the key to that run is already being lean when you do it. the leaner the better.

hope this answers your question. its a little fractured. i guess what im saying is this game is a life long pursuit of your own level or idea of perfection. for me its always been a marathon, not a sprint. if you want a quality physique take the time to build it. part of all that is discovering what works best for you- chemically, nutrition wise, training wise. what works well for me wont necessarily yield you the same results. once you find that combination, thats when you'll really start to love to train. every time you step in the gym you leave knowing your going to grow. its a very satisfying feeling. it just takes a while to get there. you can boatload everything and get there too, but i think most experienced guys would agree that theres just something about your bodies ability to take in the compounds your injesting and utilise them efficiently and quality of the physique that comes from it that seems to make a much better built body than just throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it.

[indie-lad]

Just so I'm correct buying the right steroid. Is "Trenbolone acetate - Trenabolic" the same as trenbolona ace?

I just want to be sure.

[gh2]

"Trenbolone" is the active ingredient and "acetate" is the ester (a short ester in this case). "Trenabolic" is just the name the UG lab has chosen to put on the product. Trenbolone Acetate = trenbolona ace.

[nosleep]

"Trenbolone" is the active ingredient and "acetate" is the ester (a short ester in this case). "Trenabolic" is just the name the UG lab has chosen to put on the product. Trenbolone Acetate = trenbolona ace.

THIS

BUT SERIOUSLY BROS, THE MAIN THING THESE NEW ELFS NEED TO ADDRESS IS THE APPROVED/SCAMMED SOURCES.WHAT GOOD IS IT TO RUN A GRAM OF GEAR A WEEK, AND IT REALLY BE HALF GRAM? THE USER WOULD SAY POOR RESPONSE, BUT IN REALITY ITS POOR GEAR. GH15 NEEDS TO CRACK DOWN EVEN HARDER.LUCKILY THERES ENOUGH APPROVED SOURCES TO GO AROUND FOR NOW BUT THE SCAMMED ONES NEED TO GO.

[Van_Bilderass]

^ see this posting,, THIS IS WHAT A MODERATOR ON STEROID BOARDING SHOUDL BE LIKE!,, this is real hands on vast experience,, this is what the top boardings should have as moderator! right here this posting ,, a moderator is quite important posittion ,, it is ,, eventhough you dont get much out of it in a none sell boardings...still! a moderator should be the prime cream of the crop,, this fella is cream of the crop,, he has knowledge falling out of his ears like gold coins,, THIS IS WHAT MODERATOR SHOULD BE LIKE

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I agree, Dustin very very smart. He did mod Llewellyn's board so Bill must have recognized this too.

I've been saying this exact thing to guys, use your own brain.

Formulate your own conclusions and STOP, for the love of fucking crumbcake, STOP STOP STOP following cookie cutter cycles!!!! Life is a jigsaw puzzle, yes. But it doesn't mean you try taking other people's puzzle pieces and fitting them into YOUR circumstances. Use your fucking noggins, fellas.

[gh15]

THIS

BUT SERIOUSLY BROS, THE MAIN THING THESE NEW ELFS NEED TO ADDRESS IS THE APPROVED/SCAMMED SOURCES.WHAT GOOD IS IT TO RUN A GRAM OF GEAR A WEEK, AND IT REALLY BE HALF GRAM? THE USER WOULD SAY POOR RESPONSE, BUT IN REALITY ITS POOR GEAR. GH15 NEEDS TO CRACK DOWN EVEN HARDER.LUCKILY THERES ENOUGH APPROVED SOURCES TO GO AROUND FOR NOW BUT THE SCAMMED ONES NEED TO GO.

oh they will ,, i jsut give them few days to get used to be elf,, they will be bombarded with source action,, they will be very important factors in bodybuilder sucess,, ofcourse they wil be honest as it can be becauee they were chosen due to this quality to begin with they demonstarted it for years

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[deceiver]

Wow, it's amazing you guys have normal bp on tren. Most of my friends suffered from every possible side there is including insane bp, insane acne (my friend who competed last week had acne even on his damn forearms), fucking everything from tren. He run 80mg eod and it blew him (he didn't look that good ad the day of competition though for some reason).

I have skyhigh bp from 500mg of test without an ai. I get bloated like hell and bp goes through the roof.

[gh15]

its because half of them of not most of them use hormone made by stngo which is an artist,, rememebr....the chef matter as much as the product,, if you do balonie from pellets and make it in filth way and over dose by a lot and really dont know what you are doing ....yes blood pressure and other zits and balonie can happen ,, quality matter,, also! the blood pressure with trenbolona ace usualyu happen at night for few hours ...then get back to normal ranges,, body always want to stabilize itself,, your body will have slight peaks of blood pressure while at rest..wth trenbolona ace the high blood presssure if you have it wil happen at night for couple hours then back to normal ,, many dont have any problem with blood pressure ,, it really si individual dependent and also other products depenednt


you do anadrola and trenbolona together high dose...you will have high blood pressure for the time you do them together high dose...trenbolona by itself...your body will find omeostasis pretty fast

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[Sentenza]

i dunno what it is with npp but it makes me shed like crazy, even on 1mg of finesteride ed.

Some people think you shouldn't use Finasteride with Nandrolones.

[apply85]

Thanks no one, that was a pretty informative post. I have heard that masterone really helps with the mental aspect of both nandrolone and tren

[no one]

Some people think you shouldn't use Finasteride with Nandrolones.

yeah, the jury is kinda out on whether or not the deca/test finestride combo is hard on the hairline. deca/ finesteride is a big no no, and truthfully it my own damn fault for leaving the finesteride in when i jumped from the run that i saw i was shedding in (fucking winnie) into the one i started using heavier doses of npp as i dont suffer from MBP, or have shedding as a result from using testosterone esters. in fact both sides of the finesteride and tren or npp argument have merit. i think you just have to give it a go sometimes and see what happens. i know myself i wasnt happy with the results and wont use them together again.

now that im thinking about it, i started taking the finesteride when i was running heavy tren/winnie doses and never stopped. now that im just running a little test i can take it back out. thanks for the reminder sir.

[no one]

Thanks no one, that was a pretty informative post. I have heard that masterone really helps with the mental aspect of both nandrolone and tren

no problem dude.

yeah-something about npp really affects me mentally. the same kind of effect i get from tren mentally. a grumpiness kinda. kinda like a 'meh' and 'blah' state all the time. basically unhappiness is what you could call it for lack of a better word.

using both together was /is much for me. in fact i just stopped the npp not because of any kind of shedding i was seeing, as i think a lot of it is really in my head- my girl says my hair is fine- but because i cant handle the npp nentally.

i LOVE tren ace, but i think those days might be behind me too. i just cant handle it upstairs. i hate being not happy if i can achieve the build i want without it, i wont use it again. ive been to the mountain and back in terms of size. now its about the quality of physique im after- the fullness and roundness of the muscle- quality size. think dennis newman in his prime. tight waist, nice quad sweep, and big full round muscle. guess its time to up the gh, and see if just a little test/eq will do the trick- i got the base just want the fullness to go with it.

[almard]

How do you avoid the libod, sex drive problem....I don't have Bp problem with tren but it almost kill my sex drive..

Do you think If I add mastron will ge good I dea to prevent that

[no one]

How do you avoid the libod, sex drive problem....I don't have Bp problem with tren but it almost kill my sex drive..

Do you think If I add mastron will ge good I dea to prevent that

i know for me and a lot of other guys tren turns you into a porn star. like. fucking. ridiculous.

iv'e often wondered when i read things like tren affecting some guys adversely if they really had good tren at all, or if it really does affect some differently than others.

[farrellzach]

i know for me and a lot of other guys tren turns you into a porn star. like. fucking. ridiculous.

iv'e often wondered when i read things like tren affecting some guys adversely if they really had good tren at all, or if it really does affect some differently than others.

No doubt, tren is like permanent cialis for me

[deceiver]

its because half of them of not most of them use hormone made by stngo which is an artist,, rememebr....the chef matter as much as the product,, if you do balonie from pellets and make it in filth way and over dose by a lot and really dont know what you are doing ....yes blood pressure and other zits and balonie can happen ,, quality matter,, also! the blood pressure with trenbolona ace usualyu happen at night for few hours ...then get back to normal ranges,, body always want to stabilize itself,, your body will have slight peaks of blood pressure while at rest..wth trenbolona ace the high blood presssure if you have it wil happen at night for couple hours then back to normal ,, many dont have any problem with blood pressure ,, it really si individual dependent and also other products depenednt


you do anadrola and trenbolona together high dose...you will have high blood pressure for the time you do them together high dose...trenbolona by itself...your body will find omeostasis pretty fast

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It has nothing to do with purity. I know guy who's got 180/100 bp on 500mg of test and 30mg of dianabol. Everything made by Jelfa, it's Poland.

[Swlabr]

God, I've injected trenbolona acetate twice now (from Nordic) and I haven't had the infamous tren cough yet. Have I been lucky or...?

[dustin]

How do you avoid the libod, sex drive problem....I don't have Bp problem with tren but it almost kill my sex drive..

Do you think If I add mastron will ge good I dea to prevent that

You shouldn't have issues unless your prolactin gets out of hand. Take care of that and you'll have the exact opposite problem.

Masterona is always a good idea. Compliments tren, as well as any other AAS pretty well. Test, tren and mast are awesome and you can run a low dose of each like I do. I personally don't like pinning tons of oil nor can my body tolerate it, so this works out great.

God, I've injected trenbolona acetate twice now (from Nordic) and I haven't had the infamous tren cough yet. Have I been lucky or...?

I am not God, but if I may... not everyone gets tren cough. The probability of you getting a few coughs are a lot higher because you use a considerably pure tren. The best, actually.

Don't fret though. It's not something you WANT to get. If and when you do get it, hold onto your lug nuts. It can be worse for some, but all in all it's pretty fucking miserable.

[flinstones1]

no one, when you were at your biggest in terms of actual muscle mass,  were you on any test? 

gh15, mentioned,  was at his biggest on no (or low I dont remember) doses of testosterone, but lots of NPP and eq. There is a belief that some guys have like bulsemo, that feel  androgens in too high of doses,  can actually provide their own antidote against muscle growth past a certain point and the only way to break that plateau is to megadose anabolics/low test.

[gh15]

no one, when you were at your biggest in terms of actual muscle mass,  were you on any test? 

gh15, mentioned,  was at his biggest on no (or low I dont remember) doses of testosterone, but lots of NPP and eq. There is a belief that some guys have like bulsemo, that feel  androgens in too high of doses,  can actually provide their own antidote against muscle growth past a certain point and the only way to break that plateau is to megadose anabolics/low test.

yes you are actulay one of them,, for fella like you lower testosterona higher anabolic will do marvelous to the physiqe if train consistantly and really want to be bodybuild,, will do marvelous things,, ofcourse keep some testosterona ..but cycle it

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[jude2]

How do you avoid the libod, sex drive problem....I don't have Bp problem with tren but it almost kill my sex drive..

Do you think If I add mastron will ge good I dea to prevent that

gh15 why do some say that Tren kills their sex drive and other become porn stars with it? The response is total opposite. Most guys are set to think a drug only does one thing to all.

[gh15]

because some fellas use those stupid anti aromataze and all this research balonie and kill their estrogen to unimaginable levels and then they are fucked,, body need estrogen fellas,, it does! you cant just eliminate estrogen ...it is needed for growth and! for sex!!!

find the sweet spot and remain thre,,also some inject diff prodiucts with trenbolona it iwl depend on that too,, majority of legit trenbolona user are walking horn balls they can jack off to comand,, they really look for porns because the woman cant take it no more,, what woman can take it all the time,, it gets tired

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[Devon97]

gh15,

What anti-e or etc should be taken w/ a tren ace, test prop cycle?

TO prevent progresterone gyno?