inregard trenbolona ace contribution to sub par genetic structures

[L.L]

not everybody is prone to Tren cough..I just finished my first bottle of Strangos and no coughs..Ive used others in the past and the same thing I dont cough.

[Swlabr]

It's 2:36 AM here and I can't sleep at all and buzzing out of my chair, lol.

[gh15]

not everybody is prone to Tren cough..I just finished my first bottle of Strangos and no coughs..Ive used others in the past and the same thing I dont cough.

the cough only happen IF you hit vessle,, blood vessele ,, if you dont you have no cough,,

gh15 approved

[gh15]

It's 2:36 AM here and I can't sleep at all and buzzing out of my chair, lol.

the all bodybuild nwo day is a game between doses of trenbolona and doses of hgh,, this is it friend,, really the bodybuild per say now day is a game of war between gh and trenbolona where none wins and they combine powers ,,

bodybuild wil advance according to how much gh he can afford,, bodybuild will be more conditioned according to how much trenbolona and how much gh he can afford to put together into his blood,,

gh will make you sleep very well ,, it will cancel the trenbolona sleeplesnesss effect,, it wil balance it all ,, some stil have problem and they go to other venture usualy drugs that help sleep which is a mistake ,, but! as i always say to you ....

whenever you see professional dont ever be impressed alwys know! it is a result of lots and lots of hgh and trenbolona ,, the number of impressive bodybuild due to muscle shape is much lower than the number of impressive bodybuild due to trenbolona and hgh,,

ofcourse you owe to know that liars such as heris and the rest they are on hgh and on trenbolona and have bad genetic strcutre and worst genetic responds thats why never go on npc high level competitions,, but! they use it too

bodybuild = dancing with the stars,, who are the stars? ,,gh and trenbolona ace

gh15 approved

[aesthetics]

I know someone who claims to have been on tren for over 15 years straight and he gets routine blood work. He's a past Mr. Canada and has had an IFBB pro card as well. He's just fine and thinks the whole craze about tren being "dangerous" and "not for beginners" is bullshit.

Tren toxicity is overblown. Yes, tren gives you cloudy piss and that's about it. Someone tried stringing together a mish mash of "facts" together to paint a picture about tren. All bro science. Beginners or people who only wish to cycle should DEFINITELY use tren and avoid the classic 500mg of test for 8 weeks type cycles. Make the most of your time while you're on and transform as much as possible to raise your natural physique once you come off. I think coming off is a waste of time, but I don't think doing tren for a first cycle is. Tren is amazing.

it is not bro science, it all stems from tren hex, the old french parabolan, which definitely was toxic because of that ester. there were studies done on cattle and livestock and it was toxic to the liver and kidneys at relatively low dosages

[L.L]

gh15

whats the review on 2011 redtropins??

[aesthetics]

when i use npp and tren ace together i dont (read: cant- and ive tried) go over 3-400mg a wk of each compound. i have a great tolerance for anabolics, which is good and bad- i dont get the sides, but i need a lot to grow. anyway running those dosages i found i didnt need the masteron. once you tried running npp and tren together you'll see why i kept it where i did. they're fucking tough on your mental state esp run together. and the hairline. esp npp. i dunno what it is with npp but it makes me shed like crazy, even on 1mg of finesteride ed. i was on 800mg of npp a week. i was loving life. i wasnt loving what it was doing to my hairline

bro... npp is nandrolone-phenylpropionate, and nandrolone is actually very mild on the hair itself because when it gets converted by the 5-alpha reductase enzyme in the scalp it turns into a weaker androgen. however finasteride effectively removes the 5-alpha-reductase-2 enzyme from your system and it will cause you to lose more hair when using it in combination with nandrolone. finasteride only works with test, and i don't think it even does that great of a job with it but its effects vary with different people.

has your hair grown back or is it thinner now?

also, are you sure it was the npp that was making your hair fall out more than any other compound because masteron is practically pure androgen and would make you shed more than even tren. its weird that you'd have worse hairloss on npp than the others

[dustin]

it is not bro science, it all stems from tren hex, the old french parabolan, which definitely was toxic because of that ester. there were studies done on cattle and livestock and it was toxic to the liver and kidneys at relatively low dosages

That's true. But the internet is awash with terabytes of bro science and that's the majority of what I see.

[notsureifsrs]

It has nothing to do with purity. I know guy who's got 180/100 bp on 500mg of test and 30mg of dianabol. Everything made by Jelfa, it's Poland.

Maybe he had high BP to start with ? or at least just more than the normal range, or BP issues in the family?
 

[pellius]

How important is the ester when using tren? gh15 insists on acetate but how much of a real world difference would there be using enanthate? It's certainly more cost effective as tren enan is dosed at 200mg/ml whereas tren acetate is dosed at 100mg/ml but the enanthate is maybe only $10 more than a vial of acetate? And you don't have to pin ed or eod but maybe once or twice a week like any other enanthate ester. I believe Groink used tren enanthate and it seemed to do him well. I remember in my day (and I'm sure Coach can confirm this) parabolan was the magic elixir. And if I remember correctly it was dose at 76mg (yes, 76mg) and was in a 1.5ml amp. Three amps a week was the recommended dosages but ed was for the hard core. It's half life was longer that acetate though I'm not sure by how much. Maybe combining both enanthate with acetate might be a good idea. I remember gh15 once mentioning how combining a long ester test as a base and foundation along with prop would make for an ideal anabolic environment.   

My upcoming cycle I was planning on running tren acetate but I am reconsidering going with parabolan.
I understand the differences between tren-A and tren-E, but I am not all that familiar with parabolon, which for those who don't know the active ingredient is Trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate . From what I understand it has all the benefits of tren-A, but has a longer ester attached to it, so you only need to
shoot it bout every 3 days. Other than less frequent injections, which doesn't really bother me anyway, what would be some of the benefits of going with parabolan over tren-A?

I'm feeling a little stupid for asking this question, I feel I should know this already.  Anyway, what are your opinions? Let me know guys, I put a lot of weight into what a lot of you say. Tthis does not include some of you retards who post here, I really wish you all would go away... so let it be written, so let it be done

[nosleep]

How important is the ester when using tren? gh15 insists on acetate but how much of a real world difference would there be using enanthate? It's certainly more cost effective as tren enan is dosed at 200mg/ml whereas tren acetate is dosed at 100mg/ml but the enanthate is maybe only $10 more than a vial of acetate? And you don't have to pin ed or eod but maybe once or twice a week like any other enanthate ester. I believe Groink used tren enanthate and it seemed to do him well. I remember in my day (and I'm sure Coach can confirm this) parabolan was the magic elixir. And if I remember correctly it was dose at 76mg (yes, 76mg) and was in a 1.5ml amp. Three amps a week was the recommended dosages but ed was for the hard core. It's half life was longer that acetate though I'm not sure by how much. Maybe combining both enanthate with acetate might be a good idea. I remember gh15 once mentioning how combining a long ester test as a base and foundation along with prop would make for an ideal anabolic environment.   

I IMAGINE ANY QUALITY DRUG IS HELPFUL, BUT WHATS OPTIMAL?

[deceiver]

Maybe he had high BP to start with ? or at least just more than the normal range, or BP issues in the family?
 

Normal bp when off and bp issues in the family, like anyone nowadays anyway. I had 150/80 on 500mg of test without AI. I am bloted like hell on this dose. Also legit farm grade test straight from Jelfa...

So I think AI is a must for me.

[notsureifsrs]

Normal bp when off and bp issues in the family, like anyone nowadays anyway. I had 150/80 on 500mg of test without AI. I am bloted like hell on this dose. Also legit farm grade test straight from Jelfa...

So I think AI is a must for me.

What did your diet looked like?
sodium intake?
you did any cardio?

[deceiver]

What did your diet looked like?
sodium intake?
you did any cardio?

cardio 3 times a week after workout, clean high carb diet, when I cut down sodium it helped for few days but not in the long run.

it doesn't matter, off I can use any salt I want and not get bloated by a tiny bit without any cardio. now i'm cruising on 150mg test/week and I have to use little bit of AI still for some reason.

i am really sensitive to test and prefer high anabolic. i never used tren but i think high tren and low test will do the trick for me in terms of condition and so on.

[Van_Bilderass]

This is the first year I've used tren but have gone through several bottles of different brands and not gotten the cough even once.

I did have the cough with other UG gear other than tren. I didn't connect it to the gear, thought I was allergic to something in my workplace or something. It wasn't when injecting, it was coming and going all through the day. It went away when I was just using HG test so it was the gear definitely.

Normal bp when off and bp issues in the family, like anyone nowadays anyway. I had 150/80 on 500mg of test without AI. I am bloted like hell on this dose. Also legit farm grade test straight from Jelfa...

So I think AI is a must for me.

My brother did 5 amps of Cidoteston and bloated like crazy immediately. Yesterday he told me he will never take any test ever again as it's a complete shit drug in his opinion. He even threw away a few extra amps I'd given him, I would've taken them so I was a bit pissed. 
He loved Anadrol and Dbol. No bloating...the "bloat" you get from these is within the muscle, unlike test which makes you ankles, wrists etc bloat. It's the same with me, test even at low dose makes my ankles bloat. I can't train well on test as it makes me cramp like crazy and it feels like I'll tear a muscle any moment even squatting with just the bar. It messes with the water/mineral balance too much.

Tren and Anadrol or Dbol = win for me.

IMO, the ankle bloat you see with guys like Kai Greene is from too much test, not necessarily kidney problems (yet). I see now what Disgusted and others have been saying about test... it's a pretty shit drug.

[deceiver]

Yeah and all it does for me in terms of anabolic is I gain some new vains, get bloated, get much stronger and that's it. Now when I put deca in that mix (and I did that for the very first time last time which was a mistake) I just fucking GROW tissue.

[no one]

aesthetics- hey bro thanks for the reply and for looking out. yeah it has to be the NPP which baffles me too. I stopped tren ace a month ago, and I'm running a test blend right now at 750mg/wk. that's it. I have run test as high as 2g/wk without this much shedding. also, I thought it was happening the last time I used it too, then I was like, nah it can't be you know? doesn't make sense when you look at how it works. but this time I know it's the npp. the test and npp are the only two compounds i was running. weird I know. as for regrowth I just stopped the npp a week ago.

pellius- I don't think anyone can answer definitively why ace works so much better when all that differentiates the blends is the ester but everone I know feels the same way. ace is king. just like there is no real solid evidence for ed shots of tren work better than eod shots but they do.

van b- great post as always and I agree abt your summation regarding test.

[apply85]

you don't use eq, van?

[notsureifsrs]

cardio 3 times a week after workout, clean high carb diet, when I cut down sodium it helped for few days but not in the long run.

it doesn't matter, off I can use any salt I want and not get bloated by a tiny bit without any cardio. now i'm cruising on 150mg test/week and I have to use little bit of AI still for some reason.

i am really sensitive to test and prefer high anabolic. i never used tren but i think high tren and low test will do the trick for me in terms of condition and so on.

So why not just going on Disgusted route and use only anabolics?

[dustin]

I only prefer a smaller amount of test as well. The first time I tried a gram of test, I broke out with huge welt like zits on my back that I couldn't pop. Deep, red and purple bastards all down my middle and lower back where I've never broken out.

I recently tried NO test and don't like it. I like a small amount cycled in and out. I switch between sustanon and prop and shoot EOD for both. It rounds things off and after a certain amount there are diminishing returns (that changes if you're taking mutation doses of GH though).

[g101]

high dose test made me very hairy AND FAST !!!!!!! i was like  

[kevinf]

I only prefer a smaller amount of test as well. The first time I tried a gram of test, I broke out with huge welt like zits on my back that I couldn't pop. Deep, red and purple bastards all down my middle and lower back where I've never broken out.

I recently tried NO test and don't like it. I like a small amount cycled in and out. I switch between sustanon and prop and shoot EOD for both. It rounds things off and after a certain amount there are diminishing returns (that changes if you're taking mutation doses of GH though).

I agree with this. Im currently on a no test cycle too, i got rid of test because fo the acne it gave me..but without test im lackin the thickness. Im going to try cycling small doses of test e in and out..what small amounts of test do you cycle brah?

[da_vinci]

high dose test made me very hairy AND FAST !!!!!!! i was like  

Fast, you mean - speed, like - running?

Should be a sweet feeling if you are into it..

[deceiver]

So why not just going on Disgusted route and use only anabolics?

My libido would hurt, I think 250-350mg a week is plenty though.

Next cycle will be
150-200mg of test e4d
300mg of deca e4d
anadrol/dianabol for first 4-5 weeks.

then 50mg of prop e2d and 100mg of tren e2d. it's crazy and my libido will suffer for sure but who cares when you have proviron. without any test at all proviron wouldn't help.

[dustin]

Fast, you mean - speed, like - running?

Should be a sweet feeling if you are into it..

He means fast with the ladies.

Pump, pump, NUT!! One pump, two maybe if he's feeling like a sexy brute.