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Obama's latest Ponzi scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« on: October 26, 2011, 06:24:57 PM »
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Is Student-Loan Forgiveness Obama's Next Crisis?
IBD Editorials ^ | October 26, 2011 | Editor
Posted on October 26, 2011 9:09:05 PM EDT by Kaslin

Government: President Obama wants student loans to be more like student handouts. Too bad he hasn't learned one of the lessons of the 2008 mortgage crisis: Free money costs plenty.

The global financial crisis has its roots in the U.S. government's politicization of mortgages. Washington decided that all those real-life versions of mean old bank president Mr. Potter from "It's a Wonderful Life" shouldn't just turn into big-hearted Jimmy Stewarts.

No, they should practically become welfare officers, doling out money to people with bad credit ratings to buy homes, without requiring a down payment.

And when this pyramid scheme collapsed, the investors who bought the safe-seeming, sliced-and-diced mortgage debt were left holding the bag.

And millions of Americans lost their jobs.

Making a loan of hundreds of thousands of dollars to someone is serious business, but the government for years systematically pressured mortgage lenders with accusations of racism. Many feared the Department of Justice more than the default risk of their debtors.

Now President Obama proposes applying the same mortgage mistakes to student loans.

On a day on which the College Board reported the cost of public colleges rose 8% — about twice the inflation rate — Obama unveiled a student loan forgiveness plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 06:27:34 PM »
Dude!!!.... this move is an OUTRIGHT attempt at winning those OWS votes ;)


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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 06:28:38 PM »
Dude!!!.... this move is an OUTRIGHT attempt at winning those OWS votes ;)



it's another Obama ponzi scheme. 

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2011, 06:50:29 PM »
it's another Obama ponzi scheme. 

factually, yes.

politically?  i think i read 43% of americans support the OWS movement, and only 29% of people disapprove?

Obama is giving them what many want - and repubs are on tv calling them names and mocking them.

Who will they work for, and vote for, in the 2012 elections?

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2011, 06:52:13 PM »
factually, yes.

politically?  i think i read 43% of americans support the OWS movement, and only 29% of people disapprove?

Obama is giving them what many want - and repubs are on tv calling them names and mocking them.

Who will they work for, and vote for, in the 2012 elections?

43%? It's quite a bit lower than that, slick.

Gallup has it at 22% and they're really the only polling service worth a damn.

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2011, 06:53:29 PM »
Yeah..43%...I think most people could care less. Do any of these people look like normal people.....certainly not anybody from fly-over country that Ol barry is going to need to keep his job.
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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2011, 06:55:15 PM »
43%? It's quite a bit lower than that, slick.

Poll: 43 percent agree with views of "Occupy Wall Street"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20125515-503544/poll-43-percent-agree-with-views-of-occupy-wall-street/

"Forty-three percent of Americans agree with the views of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll that found a widespread belief that money and wealth should be distributed more evenly in America.


Twenty-seven percent of Americans said they disagree with the movement, which began more than a month ago in lower Manhattan and has since spread across the country and around the world. Thirty percent said they were unsure.


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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 06:56:30 PM »
Poll: 43 percent agree with views of "Occupy Wall Street"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20125515-503544/poll-43-percent-agree-with-views-of-occupy-wall-street/

"Forty-three percent of Americans agree with the views of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll that found a widespread belief that money and wealth should be distributed more evenly in America.


Twenty-seven percent of Americans said they disagree with the movement, which began more than a month ago in lower Manhattan and has since spread across the country and around the world. Thirty percent said they were unsure.



"Gallup has it at 22% and they're really the only polling service worth a damn."

And from your own link:

"Americans were more reticent to offer an opinion: 25 percent said they had a favorable impression of the movement"

43% of Americans may agree with the movement but that doesn't mean 43% agree with Obama's moves to fix the economy. Your straw man arguments fucking suck.

Because your reading comprehension skills are indicative of your French Fry U MBA, let me point out that "agreeing with the views of a movement =/= you support it", as evidenced by your own article.



By the way, will this loan plan of Obama's get anyone a job? Nope. How many people will remember this next year when unemployment is still over 9%? Not many.

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 07:00:22 PM »
so all OWS has to do is explain to the other 1/5 of americans that they represent the views that these folks already agree with.  Check.

Denial.  I think repubs are in it.  they're shitting on a movement that a lot of people agree with.  dems are embracing it.  let's see how that works in 2012.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2011, 07:01:12 PM »
so all OWS has to do is explain to the other 1/5 of americans that they represent the views that these folks already agree with.  Check.

Denial.  I think repubs are in it.  they're shitting on a movement that a lot of people agree with.  dems are embracing it.  let's see how that works in 2012.

What views? I thought you claimed that there are a hodge podge of viewpoints in this movement? They've even said they have no unified theme. Stop contradicting yourself in an attempt to build your straw man.

25% of Americans approve of it. Obama can embrace it all he wants. Not going to save him from another year of 9%+ unemployment and zero economic growth.

Your shilling for Obama has gotten embarrassing. You're not capable of worming your way around this without exposing yourself for the biased little fanboy you are.

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2011, 07:01:31 PM »
240 picks up the tsp for this nonsense?  

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2011, 07:11:07 PM »
240 picks up the tsp for this nonsense?   

i simply pointed out Obama has now worked to win favor from a group whose beliefs are matched by 43% of americans and only hated upon by 27%.

He's on the right side of the OWS.  Repubs are on the wrong side.


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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2011, 07:11:59 PM »
i simply pointed out Obama has now worked to win favor from a group whose beliefs are matched by 43% of americans and only hated upon by 27%.

He's on the right side of the OWS.  Repubs are on the wrong side.



LOL.   he already has those 43 percent moron!   

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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2011, 07:14:52 PM »
i simply pointed out Obama has now worked to win favor from a group whose beliefs are matched by 43% of americans and only hated upon by 27%.

He's on the right side of the OWS.  Repubs are on the wrong side.



Not surprisingly, you don't get it. The 43% number is irrelevant. That 43% contains libertarians, democrats, republicans, anarchists and so on (and a lot of people who disagree with Obama as Douglas Schoen's polling of the OWS crowd in NYC showed). While they may agree with the VIEWPOINTS being represented by OWS, it doesn't mean that they agree with Obama's solutions to it. So either post a poll showing THAT or stfu.

You think the "End the Fed, kill big government" crowd that shares some of these viewpoints are aligned with Obama and his solutions? Not a chance.

Go ahead and lie to us again about how much you like Ron Paul. You're an Obama drone, you've been an Obama drone and in November 2012 you'll be an Obama drone.

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 07:20:12 PM »
LOL.   he already has those 43 percent moron!   

1.  Do you think 43% of americans agreed with those ideals a month ago?

2.  Do you predict this 43% number will go UP or DOWN in the next month?


IMO, kinda like you refuse to admit the tea party has lost just a bit o momentum since nov 2010... you;ll never be able to admit when these OWS clowns mmake progress.

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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2011, 07:27:31 PM »
1.  Do you think 43% of americans agreed with those ideals a month ago?

2.  Do you predict this 43% number will go UP or DOWN in the next month?


IMO, kinda like you refuse to admit the tea party has lost just a bit o momentum since nov 2010... you;ll never be able to admit when these OWS clowns mmake progress.

You keep trying to make the argument that the 43% of the people who agree with the viewpoints of OWS also support Obama and his solutions when this is anything but the case. Can you substantiate that or are you just making up claims to defend your God-King again?

And last I checked, 43% is a not a majority.

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2011, 07:42:08 PM »
this is another ponzi scam!   

Kids run up massive debt, schools ca jack tuitions to kingdom come, and taxpayer at the end gets fucked!   


obama = madoff.

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2011, 07:48:28 PM »
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Is Student-Loan Forgiveness Obama's Next Crisis?
IBD Editorials ^ | October 26, 2011 | Editor
Posted on October 26, 2011 9:09:05 PM EDT by Kaslin

Government: President Obama wants student loans to be more like student handouts. Too bad he hasn't learned one of the lessons of the 2008 mortgage crisis: Free money costs plenty.

The global financial crisis has its roots in the U.S. government's politicization of mortgages. Washington decided that all those real-life versions of mean old bank president Mr. Potter from "It's a Wonderful Life" shouldn't just turn into big-hearted Jimmy Stewarts.

No, they should practically become welfare officers, doling out money to people with bad credit ratings to buy homes, without requiring a down payment.

And when this pyramid scheme collapsed, the investors who bought the safe-seeming, sliced-and-diced mortgage debt were left holding the bag.

And millions of Americans lost their jobs.

Making a loan of hundreds of thousands of dollars to someone is serious business, but the government for years systematically pressured mortgage lenders with accusations of racism. Many feared the Department of Justice more than the default risk of their debtors.

Now President Obama proposes applying the same mortgage mistakes to student loans.

On a day on which the College Board reported the cost of public colleges rose 8% — about twice the inflation rate — Obama unveiled a student loan forgiveness plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...



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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2011, 07:49:48 PM »
Vince - where does money come from?   

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2011, 08:04:51 PM »
Vince - where does money come from?   

Where the rest of the $1+ trillion deficits came from: thin air.

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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2011, 08:08:50 PM »
This is really insane on so many levels when you think about it. 


Obama is a crack head who should be in jail. 

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2011, 08:52:22 PM »
Vince - where does money come from?   


Doesn't matter.  There's been no reports of a School Loan Forgiveness plan going into effect.  This is more than likely an idea from a think tank.
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2011, 08:22:47 AM »
Obama's Student-Loan Order Saves the Average Grad Less Than $10 a Month
By Daniel Indiviglio
Oct 26 2011, 12:53 PM ET 165


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/10/obamas-student-loan-action-wont-have-much-impact/247411




The monthly impact of the president's new effort for most Americans paying off college debt will be between $4 and $8



Of the many long-term problems the U.S. economy faces, student loans are a big one. Education costs are rising very quickly and incomes aren't. As a result, students will have to borrow more and more money to obtain university degrees and will have a tougher time paying their loans. President Obama seeks to respond to this question with an executive order in the next part of his "We Can't Wait" unilateral stimulus effort. While the president's heart may be in the right place, his effort isn't like to have much impact.

The Problem: Student Loans' Crazy Growth

The cost of college is growing rapidly. That wouldn't be a problem if incomes were growing as quickly as tuition and fees. They aren't. In order to cope with the growing expense of college, more students are relying on bigger loans. The chart below demonstrates the problem pretty clearly:



You can see that student loans have grown by 511% since 1999. Meanwhile, disposable income has grown by just 73%. As this chart also shows, most outstanding student loan debt (82%!) was accrued by students over just the past decade.

Obama's Executive Orders

The president seeks to make the situation a little bit easier for some of those graduates. He will create an executive order that has three components.


•He will clear the way for borrowers with direct government loans and government-backed private loans to consolidate their balances. The White House estimates that this will cut the effective interest rate on student loans by up to 0.5%.
•He will limit the amount of student loan payments to 10% of a graduate's income. (Currently, the limit is 15%.)
•He will allow debt still outstanding after 20 years to be forgiven. (Currently, forgiveness occurs after 25 years.)

Those last two orders are really just the president moving up the timeline of existing legislation. Both changes are set to go into effect in 2014, but the president will order that they go into effect as of 2012.

The Impact

Let's consider the impact of each of these orders.

Consolidation

The first would clearly be the most significant, because it is aimed at helping more student loan borrowers. How much would an interest rate reduction of up to 0.5% affect payments?

For the average borrower, the impact would be small. In 2011, Bachelor's degree recipients graduating with debt had an average balance of $27,204, according to an analysis done by finaid.org, based on Department of Education data. That average has ballooned from just $17,646 over the past decade.

Using these values as the high and low bounds of average student debt over the last ten years, the monthly savings for the average student loan borrower would be between $4.50 and $7.75 per month. Clearly, this isn't going to save the economy. While borrowers with bigger balances would save more, this is the average. And even someone with $100,000 in loans would only cut their monthly payments by $28.50.

Payment Limits

As mentioned, the government already has a program for borrowers to reduce their student loan payments to a ceiling of 15% of their income. At this time, just 450,000 borrowers are participating. Clearly, all of those participants would benefit from lowering the max payment to 10%. But how many others would?*

Student loan balances have really only ballooned over the past decade. So this change would affect very few Americans over the age of 32. For the young adults who it may effect, we must remember that educational attainment has some correlation to income. Those with the most debt will have attended business school, medical school, or law school. Most of those people will also have higher incomes, making them ineligible. For a person with the average student debt load, their annual income would need to be lower than $32,000** to qualify. The average income for Bachelor's degree holders aged 25 to 34 is $40,100.

Loan Forgiveness

Of all these parts of Obama's executive order, the loan forgiveness aspect will have the least impact. By moving the timeline from 25 to 20 years, it could be significant in the long run -- but it won't be felt for decades. Remember, 82% of the current student loan debt outstanding was accrued in just the past decade. So it will be at least another 10 years before any of those borrowers have hit the 20-year mark in their student loan payments.

Can an Executive Order Really Do This?

Some opponents of excessive executive power may question whether an executive order can really even accomplish these ends. The president is ordering a policy change for loan consolidation and changing the implementation date for previously passed legislation. Either of these actions could make for a really interesting court challenge, as both appear to stretch the limits of what an executive order was designed to do -- shouldn't Congress order such changes?

In practice, however, the orders will probably go through without challenge. First, it isn't clear that anyone who has standing to bring such a case to court would do so. The first measures may cost some private lenders some interest revenue, but they need to keep a conciliatory relationship with the government. The latter two measures would cost taxpayers. And even if such a challenge was brought, it could take the court a year or two to provide a final verdict. By then, unless a judge grants a temporary injunction, consolidation would already have occurred for most interested borrowers and the legislation's stated implementation date would already be past for the latter two aspects of Obama's effort.


By calling for these measures, President Obama seeks to respond directly to young Americans stressed about their student loans. Indeed, one of the vague objectives of the Occupy Wall Street movement is for student debt forgiveness. But from a practical standpoint, these executive orders won't have much of an impact. To take on the student debt problem more aggressively, the president would need some actual legislation that would shake the fundamental framework of the student loan system.

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*Note: White House estimates that this provision could reach 1.6 million borrowers. That's considerably more than 450,000, but the provision still aims assistance to a select group struggling the most with their student loans. For those borrowers, the savings could be more significant than the consolidation savings.

**Note 2: Initially, I calculated this to be $25,000. But I refined my analysis and a better estimate would be closer to $32,000. Again, the program still won't help the average borrower, but those will relatively low incomes and relatively high student loan debt could benefit.

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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2011, 08:28:24 AM »
Krauthammer: If Students Knew Truth Of Loan Plan, Obama Would've Been "Laughed Out Of Auditorium"
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"It's entirely incoherent," Charles Krauthammer said of Obama's plan to pay down student loans. "I'm not sure if those savings are real, where are they? What he spoke about today was tweaking the student loan program, which he now controls. In a way, it's rather astonishing. The numbers were run by an economics correspondent today in The Atlantic magazine. And It turns out what he is offering the students is between $4.50 and $7.70 a month of relief."

Now these are students that he addressed today and spoke about their carrying an average of $25,000 in loans. So what he's saying is 'I'm going to save you, I'm going to give you a quarter of a part of it back a month. This is keeping with all of the promises he has been making in the last campaign tour in which he promised relief to homeowners in a program which has already failed. And now he is doing it on student loans. If his audience had known how minuscule is the benefit, he would have been laughed out of that auditorium.



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Re: Obama's latest scam: School Loan Forgiveness.
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2011, 08:37:02 AM »


Obama took lesson from Vince.