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Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« on: October 29, 2011, 04:24:41 AM »
Though Wal-Mart executives supported the Affordable Care Act, the company announced it is axing benefits for part-time employees due to cost burdens. The move might be a sign of things to come, The Wall Street Journal editorial board writes. "Once the regulations are finalized, many businesses may look rationally at the new incentives and conclude that shedding their health costs and paying the penalties is cheaper than the status quo," they write.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204644504576653162915528694.html?mod=dist_smartbrief

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 04:27:10 AM »
Obamacare was INTENDED to collapse the system.    Only an idiot can't see what a ponzi scheme it is, the same w all of MAOBAMA's other policies. 

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 06:19:55 AM »
Obamacare was INTENDED to collapse the system.   


What date will the system collapse?

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 06:33:44 AM »

What date will the system collapse?


Go away.   

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2011, 08:13:53 AM »

Go away.   

dude, why so pissy when asked about a ridiculous premise that you've been the sole promoter of on this board?

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2011, 08:22:42 AM »
Long before the Health Care legislation of 2010 Wal-Mart had  a long history of offering the least possible health care benefits to their employees and/or structuring their insurance in such a way that the employee will choose public assistance (socialism anyone?) or the employer sponsored plan due to high deductibles and limited coverage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Walmart#Health_insurance

Health insuranceAs of October 2005, Walmart's health insurance covered 44% or approximately 572,000 of its 1.6 million U.S. workers.[67] In comparison, Walmart rival and wholesaler Costco insures approximately 96% of its eligible workers, although Costco has been criticized by investors for its high labor costs.[citation needed] Walmart spends an average of $3,500 per employee for health care, 27% less than the retail-industry average of $4,800.[68] When asked why so many Walmart workers choose to enroll in state health care plans instead of Walmart's own plan, Walmart CEO Lee Scott acknowledged that some states' benefits may be more generous than Walmart's own plan: "In some of our states, the public program may actually be a better value - with relatively high income limits to qualify, and low premiums."[69] Critics of Walmart argue in Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price that employees are paid so little they cannot afford health insurance.

According to a September 2002 survey by the state of Georgia, one in four children of Walmart employees were enrolled in PeachCare for Kids, the state's health-insurance program for uninsured children, compared to the state's second-biggest employer, Publix, which had one child in the program for every 22 employees.[70] A December 2004 nationwide survey commissioned by Walmart showed that the use of public-assistance health-care programs by children of Walmart workers was at a similar rate to other retailers' employees, and at rates similar to the U.S. population as a whole.[71]

On October 26, 2005, a Walmart internal memo sent to the firm's Board of Directors advised trimming over $1 billion in health care expenses by 2011 through measures such as attracting a younger, implicitly healthier work force by offering education benefits.[72] The memo also suggested giving sedentary Walmart staffers, such as cashiers, more physically demanding tasks, such as "cart-gathering," and eliminating full-time positions in favor of hiring part-time employees who would be ineligible for the more expensive health insurance and several policy proposals which may violate the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990.[72] The memo also accused Walmart's lower paid employees of abusing emergency room visits, "possibly due to their prior experience with programs such as Medicaid," whereas such visits may actually be due to the reduced ability of uninsured or underinsured people to make timely appointments to see a regular physician.[72] Critics point to this internal memo as evidence that Walmart purports to be generous with its employee benefits, while in reality the company is working to cut such benefits by reducing the number of full-time and long-term employees and discouraging supposedly unhealthy people from working at Walmart.

On January 12, 2006, the Maryland legislature enacted a law requiring that all corporations with more than 10,000 employees in the state spend at least eight percent of their payroll on employee benefits, or pay into a state fund for the uninsured.[73] Walmart, with about 17,000 employees in Maryland, was the only known company to not meet this requirement before the bill passed. On July 7, 2006, the Maryland law was overturned in federal court by a U.S. District judge who held that a federal law, the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA), preempted the Maryland law. In his opinion, the judge said that the law would "hurt Walmart by imposing the administrative burden of tracking benefits in Maryland differently than in other states."[74] Similar legislation in Wisconsin days later was defeated in the state legislature.

On April 17, 2006, Walmart announced it was making a health care plan available to part-time workers after one year of service, instead of the prior two-year requirement.[75] One criticism of the new plan is that it provides benefit only after a $1,000 deductible is paid ($3,000 for a family). These deductibles may financially be out of reach for eligible part-time workers. Walmart estimates this change can add 150,000 workers to health coverage plans, if all who are eligible take part. By January 2007, the number of workers enrolled in the company's health care plans increased by 8%, which Walmart attributed to the introduction of less expensive insurance policies.[76] However, even with this increase, less than half of Walmart's employees, or 47.4%, received health insurance through the company, with 10%, or 130,000, receiving no coverage at all.[76]

In October 2001, a class action sexual discrimination lawsuit, Mauldin v. Walmart Stores, Inc., was filed against Walmart challenging the company's denial of health insurance coverage for prescription contraceptives. The lawsuit was certified for class action status, but later dropped by the plaintiffs in 2006 once Walmart agreed to change its health insurance policies.[77]

In March 2008, Walmart sued a former Walmart employee, Deborah Shank, to recover the money it spent for her health care after she was brain-damaged, restricted to a wheelchair, and nursing home-bound after her minivan was hit by a truck. Walmart sued the former employee for $470,000 after she received a settlement from the accident, citing that company policy forbids employees from receiving coverage if they also win a settlement in a lawsuit.[78] After a wave of bad publicity, Walmart dropped its suit.[79]

New, full-time Walmart associates must work at least six months before being eligible to purchase the company's primary health insurance.


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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2011, 08:25:55 AM »
dude, why so pissy when asked about a ridiculous premise that you've been the sole promoter of on this board?

Because Obama CREATED A PONZI SCAM WITHIN OBAMACARE THAT WAS INTENDED TO BULLSHIT THE CBO moron! 

Again - you are like the beaten wife who still refuses to believe the husband is cheating on her even when she comes home and finds anothers' womans' panties hanging off the door knob. 

Obama was warned by DEMOCRAT SENATOR CONRAD OBAMACARE WAS A PONZI SCHEME WAS DAY ONE.   

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2011, 08:28:21 AM »
Because Obama CREATED A PONZI SCAM WITHIN OBAMACARE THAT WAS INTENDED TO BULLSHIT THE CBO moron! 

Again - you are like the beaten wife who still refuses to believe the husband is cheating on her even when she comes home and finds anothers' womans' panties hanging off the door knob. 

Obama was warned by DEMOCRAT SENATOR CONRAD OBAMACARE WAS A PONZI SCHEME WAS DAY ONE.   

calm down champ

try to remember that what you believe is not necessarily reality

you should tell yourself that at least 100 times a day

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2011, 08:31:38 AM »
calm down champ

try to remember that what you believe is not necessarily reality

you should tell yourself that at least 100 times a day

Whatever douchebag - Kent Conrad and even Sebellius had to admit its a ponzi scam.  But oh thats right, straw man knows more than Ryan, Conrad, Sebellius, who even herself had to finally admit Obamacare has a ponzi scam within it.   

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2011, 08:38:38 AM »
Whatever douchebag - Kent Conrad and even Sebellius had to admit its a ponzi scam.  But oh thats right, straw man knows more than Ryan, Conrad, Sebellius, who even herself had to finally admit Obamacare has a ponzi scam within it.   

He's from the Bay Area so that means he knows everything about anything.

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 08:41:12 AM »
He's from the Bay Area so that means he knows everything about anything.

Straw man is a laughable joke - He is like the Madoff victim who still thinks there are millions of dollars in an account for them somewhere. 

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 08:48:21 AM »
Whatever douchebag - Kent Conrad and even Sebellius had to admit its a ponzi scam.  But oh thats right, straw man knows more than Ryan, Conrad, Sebellius, who even herself had to finally admit Obamacare has a ponzi scam within it.   

they were talking specifically about the Community Living Assistance Services and Support Act which was unsustainable given the way the financing (which we discussed extensively in a previous thread) was structured and has been removed

btw - as I'm sure you know, Conrad voted for the legislation and Sebellius (to my knowledge) never called any of it a ponzi scam

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2011, 08:49:04 AM »
He's from the Bay Area so that means he knows everything about anything.

I'll bet I know more than a guy who was 28 in the tenth grade

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2011, 08:54:27 AM »
they were talking specifically about the Community Living Assistance Services and Support Act which was unsustainable given the way the financing (which we discussed extensively in a previous thread) was structured and has been removed

btw - as I'm sure you know, Conrad voted for the legislation and Sebellius (to my knowledge) never called any of it a ponzi scam

And guess what you moron - those supposed "savings" were used in the front end to get the fraudulent CBO scoring. 


Like a dupe, lemming, and beaten wife, you bought into the lies obama rammed up your ass. 

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2011, 09:02:08 AM »
And guess what you moron - those supposed "savings" were used in the front end to get the fraudulent CBO scoring. 


Like a dupe, lemming, and beaten wife, you bought into the lies obama rammed up your ass. 


yep, part of the reason it was ultimately removed

doesn't make the entire legislation a ponzi scheme

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2011, 09:05:35 AM »
yep, part of the reason it was ultimately removed

doesn't make the entire legislation a ponzi scheme


Yes it does!   It makes it entirely unsustainable. 

And guess too fool - remember that vaunted tanning tax?  Well, so far collection is about 50% or greater lower than promised and anticpated by the Obamunist Regime. 

The entire Rube Goldberg like ObamascamTM   is based on falsities, lies, scams, schemes, and bullshit. 


No wonder you believed it.   

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2011, 09:08:03 AM »
Yes it does!   It makes it entirely unsustainable. 

And guess too fool - remember that vaunted tanning tax?  Well, so far collection is about 50% or greater lower than promised and anticpated by the Obamunist Regime. 

The entire Rube Goldberg like ObamascamTM   is based on falsities, lies, scams, schemes, and bullshit. 


No wonder you believed it.   

it that were true then you would easily be able to provide a source for you claim

maybe it was just an oversight on your part

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2011, 09:11:55 AM »
it that were true then you would easily be able to provide a source for you claim

maybe it was just an oversight on your part


Straw - i have honestly never come across someone as ill-informed and ignorant as you in the face of reality.   

The CBO score was given

1.  Based on assumptions of the tanning tax turning out to be false.
2.  Based on the ponzi scam of the CLASS Act which Conrad said was a ponzi scheme and Sebellius had to cancel.
3.  Not putting in the "Doc Fix" 



And you still are clinging to your ridiculous belief that Obama is sustainable?   LMFAO bro.   

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Re: Health care law doesn't help Wal-Mart employees
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2011, 09:17:19 AM »

Straw - i have honestly never come across someone as ill-informed and ignorant as you in the face of reality.   

The CBO score was given

1.  Based on assumptions of the tanning tax turning out to be false.
2.  Based on the ponzi scam of the CLASS Act which Conrad said was a ponzi scheme and Sebellius had to cancel.
3.  Not putting in the "Doc Fix" 



And you still are clinging to your ridiculous belief that Obama is sustainable?   LMFAO bro.   

3 claims and you can't even provide one link

how many times have I told you that, given your habit of watching a video or reading an article and hearing/seeing somethign that doesn't exist, everything you say is suspect and presumced false unless verified.