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New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 1:40 PM PDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 1:40 PM PDT



(NewsCore) - A new book based on a series of interviews with the Navy SEALs involved in the mission to kill Osama bin Laden claims to directly contradict the Obama administration's depiction of the operation, The Washington Examiner reported Friday.

"SEAL Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama bin Laden," by former SEAL commander Chuck Pfarrer, claims to tell the true story of the successful raid to kill the terror chief on May 2.

According to a press release, the book takes "readers on the helicopter flight over the wall that leads deep into the terrorist lair and describing what it looked, sounded and smelled like as the bullets flew."

The book also takes issue with the Obama administration's characterization of the mission.

"In a hasty effort to claim victory and make political haste, administration aides changed their stories several times," the release said. "Their leaks made SEAL Team Six look ineffective and clumsy."

The book claims the SEALs landed on the roof of bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, rather than on the ground as the administration has stated. Pfarrer also writes that the mission took only 90 seconds, a far shorter time than the 40-minute raid the White House has described.

The 240-page book will be released on Nov. 8 by St. Martin's Press.

Pfarrer has written one previous work of nonfiction, three novels, and several produced screenplays, most notably the 1997 box office hit "The Jackal" starring Bruce Willis and Richard Gere.


Source: The Washington Examiner



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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 12:31:22 PM »
lol @ the picture.   :)  Can this Administration do anything right?   ::)

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 12:42:23 PM »
lol @ the picture.   :)  Can this Administration do anything right?   ::)

if i remember right bin ladin is dead

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 12:48:40 PM »
if i remember right bin ladin is dead

They couldn't even get that right (the aftermath), which is what this thread is all about. 

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 12:50:43 PM »
  your man had 8 years and couldn't do it ,oh that's right he took us in iraq instead

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 01:00:36 PM »
 your man had 8 years and couldn't do it ,oh that's right he took us in iraq instead

Changing the subject.   ::)

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 01:06:47 PM »
i would say if the details are wrong then i guess you would have to blame whoever in the military that briefed them

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 01:09:20 PM »
i would say if the details are wrong then i guess you would have to blame whoever in the military that briefed them

Wait a second - you far leftists made it as if Obama had a headset on directing the soldiers like in COD!   

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 01:11:29 PM »
lol @ getbiggers getting all offended when 240 called obama on the bullshit hollywoord storybook version of events they initially told.

'but but but they wouldn't lie about shit like that, i won't allow u to hate on their honor like that'.

as predicted, the seals bravely kicked ass, while obama lied.  Sorry if you cawklick liberals and other apologists can't accept the fact your govt will lie about anything.

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 02:57:19 PM »
lol @ getbiggers getting all offended when 240 called obama on the bullshit hollywoord storybook version of events they initially told.

'but but but they wouldn't lie about shit like that, i won't allow u to hate on their honor like that'.

as predicted, the seals bravely kicked ass, while obama lied.  Sorry if you cawklick liberals and other apologists can't accept the fact your govt will lie about anything.



You were called out for claiming the official story was wrong?

Don't seem to remember that.

You were called out for making shit up and acting like you had the facts?

Why yes, yes I do seem to remember that.

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 03:00:14 PM »
is Bin Laden still dead


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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 03:19:39 PM »
is Bin Laden still dead



exactly, bush a repub had 8 years and couldn't get it done

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 03:21:45 PM »
New Book About Osama Bin Laden Killing Being Shopped to Hollywood (Exclusive)
11:00 PM PDT 10/20/2011 by Andy Lewis


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/seal-team-six-book-osama-bin-laden-251562



Chuck Pfarrer's book, scheduled for publication Nov. 8, contains new details about the mission that killed Bin Laden that challenge the official White House version of events.

Hollywood's interest in the killing of Osama Bin Laden is about to be put to another test. Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that agents for the new book SEAL Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden, by former SEAL Team Six commander Chuck Pfarrer,will be in Los Angeles on Friday shopping film and television rights. Interest from studios and producers is expected to be robust. RWSG Literary Agency is repping the property.

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•Osama Bin LadenThe book, scheduled for publication by St. Martin’s Press on Nov. 8, is full of new details about the SEAL Team Six mission that killed Bin Laden. Publication of the book, which is attracting attention among terrorism and national security experts in Washington, was reportedly delayed for several months so it could be cleared by government officials.

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Pfarrer, author of the best-selling Warrior Soul: The Memoir of a Navy SEAL, is said to have gotten a firsthand account of the raid from SEAL members actually involved in the operation. Crucially, sources who are familiar with the book say that SEAL Target Geronimo paints a daring and dramatic account of the raid that is at odds with the official White House version.

Pfarrer writes that the SEALs entered Bin Laden’s home from the roof and killed him in the first 90 seconds of the raid. The official account has Bin Laden dying near the end of an approximately 40-minute raid, after hiding in his bedroom as the SEALS fought their way up from the ground floor.

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Pfarrer also provides new information on the weeks and months leading up to the raid and relates the history of the Navy’s elite and secretive SEAL Team Six. SEAL Target Geronimo pins the blame for Bin Laden’s exposure on Ayman Zawahiri, his second-in-command, who repeatedly used the same compromised courier to communicate with the Al Qaeda leader.   Pfarrer also explores the lessons the SEALs learned from their mission against Somali pirates that helped them in the Bin Laden operation, and he delves into the history and operations of the Joint Special Operations Command, the secretive military organization in charge of the military’s special operations forces.

SEAL Target Geronimo is the latest in a series of book and film projects about the elite Navy special operations forces generally and the Bin Laden raid specifically. The Hurt Locker team of director Kathryn Bigelow and writer Mark Boal are making a movie about the raid for Sony. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that Bigelow and Boal got “top-level access to the most classified mission in history" in putting together the script.

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Sony is said to be reconsidering its announced release date of Oct. 12, 2012, meaning the still-untitled film would not hit theaters on the eve of the Nov. 6, 2012, presidential election. Bigelow has not yet started shooting the movie.

Another Navy SEALs movie, Act of Valor, is scheduled to hit theaters in February from Relativity Media. That film, made with the cooperation of the military and featuring actual soldiers, doesn't specifically deal with the Bin Laden killing.   

Another book, SEAL Team Six: Memoirs of an Elite Navy SEAL Sniper by Howard Wasdin and Stephen Templin, which fortuitously came out just weeks after Bin Laden’s death, immediately jumped up Amazon’s sales rankings and landed on The New York Times best-seller list. And in September, IDW published Code Word: Geronimo, a graphic novel by Dale Dye, the retired marine captain and noted technical adviser on many Hollywood war movies.


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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 03:50:23 PM »


You were called out for claiming the official story was wrong?

Don't seem to remember that.

You were called out for making shit up and acting like you had the facts?

Why yes, yes I do seem to remember that.


"I won't allow you to dishonor the seals like that"...........  LOLZERS

I was dishonoroing Obama.  I'm not sure they liked that.  :(

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 05:46:41 PM »
i would say if the details are wrong then i guess you would have to blame whoever in the military that briefed them

What details? Are you talking about the courier that was identified almost 5 years ago? Good point. Thanks, George, for having the wherewithal to leave no rock unturned!

Takes a big man to keep the Bush-era tactics in place.




In other news, no one will give a fuck about this if in November 2012 unemployment is where it is today. #WINNING!

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 06:00:19 PM »
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Osama bin Laden 'was dead in 90 seconds'
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Posted on November 3, 2011 7:57:14 PM EDT by Sub-Driver

Osama bin Laden 'was dead in 90 seconds'

A controversial new account of the killing of Osama bin Laden has challenged the official story of the how the al-Qaeda leader died during the raid on his Pakistani hideout in May.

By Jon Swaine, New York

9:41PM GMT 03 Nov 2011

Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of US Navy SEAL Team Six, whose members carried out the assault, claims bin Laden was shot dead almost instantly rather than killed in a 45-minute firefight.

Claiming to have interviewed several men involved in the raid, Pfarrer also contradicted the official account of how the SEAL team landed and how one of their Black Hawk helicopters crashed.

"The SEALs entered the building after being deposited on the roof by the lead helicopter, not from the ground," Pfarrer said in a statement about the book.

"Only minutes after bin Laden was dead did the lead helicopter, heading for a landing spot, lose altitude and sink, tail-first, into the large walled enclosure east of the main house." Pfarrer explains that if the SEALs had been forced to climb stairs to reach bin Laden, as has been officially claimed, he would have had enough warning to arm and effectively defend himself.

"Bin Laden was dead within 90 seconds of the beginning of the raid, not after an extended firefight," Pfrarrer said. "Four suppressed rounds were fired".

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...





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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 06:41:08 PM »
see - how the FCK can obama make this kinda mistake?

Who mistakes 90 seconds for a 45 minute gun battle?   ???


In 45 minutes, you'd have half the paki army at that sandlot helping out.

Obama straight lied there.

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 07:24:09 PM »
I don't see how someone can interview the Seals when they don't even know who was involved in it.  Those records are pretty confidential.  Even former Seals wouldn't have the intel


Sounds to me like this book is a joke....but in any event, it makes no real difference in the overall outcome
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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 07:29:48 PM »
I don't see how someone can interview the Seals when they don't even know who was involved in it.  Those records are pretty confidential.  Even former Seals wouldn't have the intel


Sounds to me like this book is a joke....but in any event, it makes no real difference in the overall outcome

LMFAO.    Your messiah Obama and his idiot voters like yourself are the joke.   Get over it. 

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 06:58:45 PM »
Revealed: How Obama was playing golf until 20 minutes before Navy SEALs began mission
Daily Mail ^ | 11/6/11 | Daniel Bates
Posted on November 6, 2011 9:40:07 PM EST by Nachum

In the official photograph, he looked every inch the commander in chief. Strain etched on his face, Barack Obama watched as the raid to kill Osama bin Laden played out on a television in front of him. According to a new book, however, the President was not nearly that engaged – and was actually playing golf until 20 minutes before the operation began in earnest.Only then did he down his clubs and return to the White House to watch what he later trumpeted as a great success of his presidency. A new book claims the official account was

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2011, 06:19:08 AM »

New Book By Former SEAL Tells What Really Happened During The Abbottabad Raid
Robert Johnson | Nov. 7, 2011, 5:48 AM | 4,190 | 31



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In his recently released book, former Navy SEAL commander Chuck Pfarrer sheds some light on the May 2 raid at Osama bin Laden's Abbottabad compound.

Speaking to SEAL Team 6 members, Pfarrer clears up a few misconceptions (via The Daily Mail):

Up until 20 minutes before the raid President Obama was playing golf. Pfarrer says this was for the president to distance himself if the mission went bad.

The helicopter that went down in the compound crashed due to an electrical failure, not thin desert air as previously reported.

None of the SEALs ever said "For God and country" when they burst into bin Laden's room. Bin Laden's wife only screamed "No, no, don't do this...it's not him."

Bin Laden was also referred to as Bert, not just Geronimo, and Ayman al-Zawahiri was called Ernie, a reference to the Sesame Street characters.

SEAL Team 6 members say they absolutely would have captured bin Laden if he'd given himself up, but he pushed his wife at them and went for a weapon next to his bed. It was not a "kill mission."

Twelve shots were fired during the entire mission. Four in bin Laden's bedroom. The first round just missed bin Laden's face. The second hit his wife's calf. Two 5.56mm rounds then hit the man, one in his chest, the second in the head 90 seconds after the raid began.

Each SEAL was carrying sawn-off M4 rifles.

Obama did ask who "took out Osama" and the team answered "We all did, sir. It was all of us."

The SEALs chose to speak out after being labeled murderers that engaged in a 'kill mission'.

The men were also disappointed that bin Laden's death was announced so quickly, giving other al Qaeda leaders time to scramble.

From The Daily Mail:

Mr Pfarrer also said the President's announcement of the 'intentional' killing was understandable but nonetheless disappointing.  Mr Pfarrer told the Sunday Times: 'There isn’t a politician in the world who could resist trying to take credit for getting Bin Laden but it devalued the ''intel'' and gave time for every other Al-Qaeda leader to scurry to another bolthole.

'The men who did this and their valorous act deserve better. It’s a pretty shabby way to treat these guys,' Pfarrer said.

The original mission was planned for April 30. Called Neptune's Spear that date was scratched due to bad weather.

The rifle bin Laden reached for in his bedroom is now mounted on the wall of the Seal team room in Virginia Beach, Virginia.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-book-what-really-happend-during-bin-laden-raid-abbottabad-raid-2011-11#ixzz1d1rjCnxy














Obama caught in another lie.   Go figure. 


F U Obama voters. 

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2011, 06:28:40 AM »
Obama caught in another lie.   Go figure. 

Agreed 1000%.   It was too hollywood, fairy tale from minute 1.

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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2011, 06:36:48 AM »
Obama did ask who "took out Osama" and the team answered "We all did, sir. It was all of us."


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Had the revealed who did it - obama no doubt would have filed criminal charges and sent the SEAL to leavenworth.



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Re: New Book Disputes Obama Administration's Account of Bin Laden Raid
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2011, 06:56:07 AM »
Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died
The Daily Caller ^ | November 7, 2011 | Vince Coglianese




Forget whatever you think you know about the night Osama bin Laden was killed. According to a former Navy SEAL who claims to have the inside track, the mangled tales told of that historic night have only now been corrected.

“It became obvious in the weeks evolving after the mission that the story that was getting put out there was not only untrue, but it was a really ugly farce of what did happen,” said Chuck Pfarrer, author of Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden.

In an extensive interview with The Daily Caller, Pfarrer gave a detailed account of why he believes the record needed to be corrected, and why he set out to share the personal stories of the warriors who penetrated bin Laden’s long-secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

In August the New Yorker delivered a riveting blow-by-blow of the SEALs’ May 1, 2011 raid on bin Laden’s hideaway. In that account, later reported to lack contributions from the SEALs involved, readers are taken through a mission that began with a top-secret helicopter crashing and led to a bottom-up assault of the Abbottabad compound.

Freelancer Nicholas Schmidle wrote that the SEALs had shot and blasted their way up floor-by-floor, finally cornering the bewildered Al-Qaida leader:

“The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed. ‘There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,’ the special-operations officer told me. (The Administration maintains that had bin Laden immediately surrendered he could have been taken alive.) Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye.”

Chuck Pfarrer rejects almost all of that story.

“The version of the 45-minute firefight, and the ground-up assault, and the cold-blooded murder on the third floor — that wasn’t the mission,” Pfarrer told TheDC.

“I had to try and figure out, well, look: Why is this story not what I’m hearing? Why is it so off and how is it so off?” he recounted. “One of the things I sort of determined was, OK, somebody was told ‘one of the insertion helicopters crashed.’ OK, well that got muddled to ‘a helicopter crashed on insertion.’”

The helicopters, called “Stealth Hawks,” are inconspicuous machines concealing cutting-edge technology. They entered the compound as planned, with “Razor 1″ disembarking its team of SEALs on the roof of the compound — not on the ground level. There was no crash landing. That wouldn’t occur until after bin Laden was dead.

Meanwhile, “Razor 2″ took up a hovering position so that its on-board snipers, some of whom had also participated in the sea rescue of Maersk Alabama captain Richard Phillips, had a clear view of anyone fleeing the compound.

The SEALs then dropped down from the roof, immediately penetrated the third floor, and hastily encountered bin Laden in his room. He was not standing still.

“He dived across the king-size bed to get at the AKSU rifle he kept by the headboard,” wrote Pfarrer in his book. It was at that moment, a mere 90 seconds after the SEALs first set foot on the roof, that two American bullets shattered bin Laden’s chest and head, killing a man who sought violence to the very end.

President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.

“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”

But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

And in the days that followed, as politicians sought to thrust their identities into the details of the bin Laden kill, the tale began to grow out of control, said Pfarrer.

“The president made a statement, and as far as that goes, that was fine, that was the mission statement,” he explained. “But, soon after … politicians began leaking information from every orifice. And it was like a game of Chinese telephone. These guys didn’t know what they were talking about. Very few of them had even seen the video feed.”

Pfarrer suggests that much of the misinformation was likely born out of operational ignorance, even among those sitting in the White House.

“One of the things that happened was that there were only a handful of people who know about this mission,” he said. “On the civilian side, there were only a handful of people in the situation room who were watching the drone feed. They were looking at the roof of a building taken from a rotating aircraft at 35,000 feet.”

“None of those guys, not a single one of them, had a background in special operations, with the exception of General Webb who was sitting there running a laptop,” Pfarrer went on. “No one knew or could even imagine what was going on inside the building. They didn’t know.”

“There was an alternative feed going to CIA headquarters where Leon Panetta sat there with the communications brevity codes [a guide sheet for the mission's radio lingo] in his lap and a SEAL off-screen by his side to be able to tell him what was going on,” he said. “But these guys, none of them, really knew what they were looking at.”

As the media raised more questions, officials gave more answers.

Whether or not bin Laden resisted ultimately developed into a barrage of murky official and unofficial explanations in the days following. And statements from as high as then-CIA Director Leon Panetta offered confirmation that the endeavor was a “kill mission.”

Pfarrer dismisses that assertion.

“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer, who maintains that bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered. “Unlike the Germans in World War II, if you’re a petty officer, a chief petty officer, a naval officer, and you’re giving an order to murder somebody, that’s an unlawful order.”

Pfarrer also suggests some of the emerging claims were simply self-aggrandizing “fairy tales.”

“The story they tried to tell — it’s preposterous. And the CIA tried to jump in. About mid-June the CIA tried to jump into the car and drive the victory lap. There’s this whole stuff about the CIA guy joining the operation, the gallant interpreter — he couldn’t even fast rope!” exclaimed Pfarrer, referring to a technique for descending from an airborne helicopter.

“There’s this fairy tale about him walking out of the compound during the operation to tell crowds of Pakistanis to go home and everything’s OK.”

Pfarrer tried to put this in perspective: “Do you mean that during the middle of this military operation at night, with hovering helicopters over this odd house in this neighborhood, that people came out of their houses to ask what’s going on, instead of [remaining] huddled in their basement?”

“And I think that there were so many of these leaks that were incorrect, the administration couldn’t walk them all back,” Pfarrer explained. “And so, in the middle of May, they froze everything.”

It was that freeze-out that left Chuck Pfarrer with nowhere to turn for the real story but the SEALs themselves.

Seal Target Geronimo delivers an account of the night Osama bin Laden died with a level of detail unlike anything previously reported. Pfarrer bills the story as “absolutely factual.”

“That’s the other thing. I’m prepared for the White House to say, you know, ‘this is full of inaccuracies,’ et cetera,” offered Pfarrer. He told TheDC that in order to protect American interests, his book is “full of names that are made up, and it is full of bases that are not quite where they really should be.”

“But the timeline of my events,” he cautions, “and the manner in which it happened is 100 percent accurate. And they’ll know that.”



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More Obama lies.    and of course - the kneepadding Obamacvnts ate it up like apple pie.