good article on ugl/homebrew gear

[flinstones1]

fuck this world, why couldn't I be a kid growing up in the 80's with all that legit human grade gear everywhere. Life must of been good back then

 My lessons from 11 yrs of gear: Last one!
(I stole this from PM, its a series of article written by one of the members...they are good articles about gear use, and his experiance...I will try to copy and past the rest of them for MC)

My lessons from 11 yrs of gear: Last one!

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This is the last of my planned articles. Apologies for taking so long, but landed a consulting gig that took more time than expected.

Request: it seems that my first two threads, and thus the links to all my other threads, have gone missing. Unfortunately, I didn't save my own writings, so if anyone has a copy of the first two articles, I'd love to have a copy for my archives. I asked a mod about it, and if he finds them I will repost them if allowed. Thanks guys!



Part 11: From Human Grade to Home Brew, aka, "Julia Child Style"

Questions come up on this board and others all the time: what should I use – Human Grade (“HG”)? Underground Labs (“UGL”)? Should I made my own (“homebrew”)? Here is my take on that situation, as well as some general thoughts on sponsors, legal risks, etc.

Human Grade - Obviously the best...if you can GET it. When I talk HG, it is a script from your doctor or life extension guy or however else you have finagled yourself a prescription. This is made by pharmaceutical companies, the raw ingredients are tests and pure, it is stored properly, it is not expired, the oils are metal/bacteria free, etc. Perfect.

Problem is that much of the “HG” stuff you buy online is not really HG. I’m sure some of the Karachi or Omnadren or other international amps you can buy are potentially HG. But as one source told me long ago – do you think that Scherring or its main distributors are really letting out tens of thousands of amps out the back door year after year without anyone noticing in an audit? For 8 years all I ever used was omnas and the occasional Cido or Karachi. So I definitely bought into the “amps are cleaner” thing. True HG? I dunno. And don’t think they can’t be counterfeited. As I wrote before, I once bought 100 Cidos for a decent buck from a well-known source and they were bunk.

Underground Labs -- What to say? They are much cheaper. Another big benefit if you live in the USA is that they typically ship domestically, so you eliminate seizure risk. Until I got laid off, I never bothered with “the cheap stuff”, but then the monetary situation changed and I had to make a choice. Went with some well-vetted and known sponsors and have not been disappointed. You occasionally see a bust and then photos of the bath-tub type operation some guy had running. You know, the raw powders stacked on top of the toilet, syringes laying in the floor, using same oil they cooked their chicken in the night before, etc. But some of these UGL are big business, and they know the cleaner and more effective their stuff is, the more money they will make. So there are two sides to the story. I think if you limit yourself to "labs" that have been around a while and have gotten steady reviews, you will limit your risks quite a bit.

Home Brews -- Cheapest and you know what goes into the product. What's not to love? Well, my biggest fear when it comes to home brewing is contamination of the raw powder. Well, that, and an envelope of powder getting snagged by customs. [Or my wife seeing what I've done to the kitchen with vials, syringes, boiling pots, and so forth!] But back to the contamination: one of the oldest sponsors on this board (won’t name him, as the whole issue was controversial because other sponsors claimed he was trying to knock down his competitors) showed a series of tests where heavy metals like arsenic and other nasties were showing up in the powders as well as the finished products. Sure, they contained the active ingredient, but throw in some poisons and bacteria on top of it? Real eye opener, because I never gave that much thought. I just cared if it was gear or not, and being underdosed was my biggest concern. But now I know that you have to worry about what is coming along for the ride with that gear you inject… Bill Llewellyn has also done a lot of testing of UGL gear and shown how bacteria levels were off the charts for some, and a lot of guys substitute one chemical for another (Eq for deca, etc).

If you have a good powder source, you can’t beat the prices. You can make 10ml amps of Test Cyp for like $2 or less. Ridiculous…! And the conversions are easy. Google “BasskillerOnline” and you’ll find all the recipes you need. Plus, if you are into tren, making your own from Finaplex tabs (which I’ve bought off Amazon before. How convenient…) ensures that you aren’t getting something else and it is very cost effective. Yes, they don't make kits anymore, but the "magic solution" is well known and posted all over the place. Just buy the parts of the kit yourself.

Obviously, powders is the most cost effective thing going, but you also run risk of controlled delivery. It’s one thing to get caught getting 50 amps of omnas (250mg x 50) than it is getting 100 grams of a powder. Not only in this “terrorist age” is powder something to freak out about for authorities, but if they are even semi-smart (and a lot of my LEO friends are plenty smart!) then they do the calculation… “Let’s see… 100 grams of powder = 10,000mg. At 250mg per dose/amp, this powder is the same as you ordering 400 amps!” And that is where you get into trouble as it no longer looks like personal use...

Each state is different with its laws about quantity, punishments, etc. I’m not a lawyer, but I suggest you buy or find a copy of “Legal Muscle” by Rick Collins and read it over. It’s just plain great advice – how to deal with getting arrested, various laws in each state, etc. Obviously, the most important thing is not to say anything. And here is a tip I picked up from one of my narcotic detective friends: NEVER say it isn’t yours!!! If you say it is yours (Stupid -- you shouldn't be talking, rememebr? Now you are admitting guilt), that is personal use if the amount isn’t large. But if you say it isn’t yours…. That means you are distributing it to others or for others. That’s dealing. So just don’t say anything. Period.

Misc thoughts:

New Sponsors/suppliers -- my theory had usually been counter to what others do: most people wait until good feedback comes back, hoping to dodge the occasional scammer. But put yourself in the shoes of a fraud: how would you drum up the most business? By sending out fakes to your customers right off the bat and stealing money? Absolutely not. I would send out the most potent shit I could find, deliver quickly, and build a rep. Then when the big orders roll in, you water your shit down or take the money and disappear. So historically, whenever I needed a new sponsor (which wasn’t often), I’d be among the first to jumo on a new guy! Just my .02

"Exotic" gear -- I go with simpler is better. You never know what is in your stuff, whether UG or powder. So simpler is better. Test Cyp is pretty straight forward. Been made for decades, there is a big demand for it, etc. But move up the scale. Even simple Test blends? Well, now you are talking 3-4 different tests, and what are their weights, are the powders dosed properly, mixed correctly? Odds are you a paying a premium for pretty much plain ol Cyp or Enth. And then trendy things like T-bol? I recently had a PM conversation about this. Lots of guys describe T-bol as "Dbol light". So if I was a morally neutral supplier ( ) I'd simply sell 5mg dbol as 10mg t-bol. You take the supposed 60mg of Tbol and think, wow, they are right, this tbol feels like 30mg of dbol! And of course you paid a lot more for the tbol.

I'm not saying this is the case, but look how much Anavar is supposedly floating around. Real anavar was usually one of the hardest things for me to come by over the years, and with its high price, it gives the most opportunity for suppliers to cheat to make huge profits. Now it's everywhere. Hmm.... I'm not saying it's all fake, but how many people are running real lab assays on this stuff?

Amps -- I’ve read stories about amps – that people end up with microscopic glass shards in their livers from cracking open the amps. I’m not a doctor, and I don’t know any doctors from Europe where amps are much more common than the US (where multi-use vials are the standard), so I have no-one to ask. Regardless, if true, then my liver is screwed, as I used omnas almost exclusively for 8 years, cracking open hundreds and hundreds of those things. I’m thinking this is an urban myth until I see more proof.


Okay, that's it. Eleventh and last thread. (Well,9th until I can find the first two!) Hope you took away something from all this, and I know I picked up a few new tricks and lessons as well from the discussions we've had!

[Benoitlapierre]

shering will let go 10000amps . in legal country with employee who need cash

 th primobolan shering , th oil stay stuck in top neck no ugl cant produce that , if oil flow top to bottom fast n easy u got a fake one

[Benoitlapierre]

nowadays some ugl buy filter at 17k not waltman, they got th big budget , viva canada ,,

ugl make money with big big buyer , try sale 50k of fake weak shit to a gansgta , he will hurt you , false theory

[Benoitlapierre]

im on hombrew n gh pharma at 267 ,,, there is great raw source connection

 china monopolize raw steroid , shering or homebrew , it all chinese

[Benoitlapierre]

you can bind filler with cellulose or high quality prosolve90 premix

 you can use a single tdp , or 16 punch software tdp who worth more then a car n weight 3 tons

 there is different level of quality ,,, but low price always win whatever ppls think

 a ugl need find a good balance of both to succeed

[Benoitlapierre]

turinabol not fda unapproved at least in canada , you will get real turi n it will cross custom , reason u see lots of turi liquid form in sale on web

[Benoitlapierre]

a kilo of real var is 15000$ make 1000 bottle with lost of 5% in production , 100gr only order will make easier in canada n eve then some will get seized address will be red flag but no repercussion by law will be made

 all canadians soldiers are on ugl stuff

[Benoitlapierre]

Bill Llewellyn had lived in canada , like he review scion from canada in anabolic review himself with great comment

 th perception will had change

 buying pharma filter n quality press easy in canada , and that make the big difference

[flinstones1]

is 5mg Methandrostenolone= 5mg Methandrostenolone?  How come lots of old timers have said that nothing compares to the original ciba dbol,  its not like there isn't legit dbol going around so what gives?

Same with test, how can some chinese powder compare with schering testoviron?  I know some say that all that matters is the amount of hormone in the blood, well I have used several "reputable" ugl's.. one that is "gh15 approoved" and none have come close to legit pharm grade gear. 600mg watson cyp> 1.5 grams of ugl. They work ok I guess, better than nothing.

 Seems like the safest bet is to make your own tren these days at least you know the powder isn't cut and I would be alot less concerned with the long term effects of injecting the filler from the pellets than all that tin and lead in those powders coming out of china. Look at the testing William did on BOS with all those ugl's, disturbing to say the least. 20mg dbol came out to like 115 mg, can you imagine some guy taking 5 of those a day thinking he is only on 100mg dbol

[Benoitlapierre]

is 5mg Methandrostenolone= 5mg Methandrostenolone?  How come lots of old timers have said that nothing compares to the original ciba dbol,  its not like there isn't legit dbol going around so what gives?

Same with test, how can some chinese powder compare with schering testoviron?  I know some say that all that matters is the amount of hormone in the blood, well I have used several "reputable" ugl's.. one that is "gh15 approoved" and none have come close to legit pharm grade gear. 600mg watson cyp> 1.5 grams of ugl. They work ok I guess, better than nothing.

 Seems like the safest bet is to make your own tren these days at least you know the powder isn't cut and I would be alot less concerned with the long term effects of injecting the filler from the pellets than all that tin and lead in those powders coming out of china. Look at the testing William did on BOS with all those ugl's, disturbing to say the least. 20mg dbol came out to like 115 mg, can you imagine some guy taking 5 of those a day thinking he is only on 100mg dbol

why ugl will cut tren raw ?? when th level of competition of today so grandiose, when ppls review freely on forum in 5 minutes , ugl who do crap make money for a month then bankruptcy , ppls dont come back , it with return customers n serious foundation of network , be reliable n warranty shit that u go far , remember bigger buyer from steroid are cocaine dealer who look for money laundering somewhere less risky , try sale under cut shit to cocaine dealer , there not many bad ugl but there many stupid losers who think they will look like coleman on 500mg testo a week

with a v blender overdose tabs , cant occur , in homemade capsule perhaps

[Benoitlapierre]

most ppls who claim pharmagarde steroid from shitty country anw , pakistan , modalvia ,,

 you think it like pzyser in there ? nahhhh

 sustenon obs organon pharma cheap in pakistan ,,, cypionate pharmagrade made is usa it's 7 times more expensive


  u seen th fake testovis prop ,,, a diamond of perfection,, not many will noticed

 with today technology ugl make th best fake ever ,, mind as well stay with ugl then

 pharma hgh tho kick fuking ass of any generic gh in da world


 

[slaveboy1980]

most ppls who claim pharmagarde steroid from shitty country anw , pakistan , modalvia ,,

 you think it like pzyser in there ? nahhhh

 sustenon obs organon pharma cheap in pakistan ,,, cypionate pharmagrade made is usa it's 7 times more expensive


  u seen th fake testovis prop ,,, a diamond of perfection,, not many will noticed

 with today technology ugl make th best fake ever ,, mind as well stay with ugl then

 pharma hgh tho kick fuking ass of any generic gh in da world


 

are you a warrior

[flinstones1]

most ppls who claim pharmagarde steroid from shitty country anw , pakistan , modalvia ,,

 you think it like pzyser in there ? nahhhh

 sustenon obs organon pharma cheap in pakistan ,,, cypionate pharmagrade made is usa it's 7 times more expensive


  u seen th fake testovis prop ,,, a diamond of perfection,, not many will noticed

 with today technology ugl make th best fake ever ,, mind as well stay with ugl then

 pharma hgh tho kick fuking ass of any generic gh in da world


 

thanks man, nice to hear a vet's feedback. This is also why I can't justify spending the money on chinese generic gh. I think your wrong though when it comes to ugl though. Another reason why I hate Generics, the delivery methods, fillers used, and purity of the product can definitely effect how a drug acts on your body. Could the old ciba dbol have contained an ingredient that effected the delivery method/absorbtion of dbol into the blood stream? Who knows..

 I have used test from a compound pharmacy that was still not as potent as the watson cyp I usually use from an american pharmacy. Also I know for a fact that generic synthyroid that I have a scrypt for, does not work as well as pharm grade synthyroid imo.(merck germany)

[sync pulse]

I suppose there are some "Walter Whites" in the steroid world,...it's just that it seems so unlikely.

[Benoitlapierre]

thk u ,,,

indeed i will not touch a t3 generic ,,

 since raw injectable so stinky it triple seal , to save custom

 hav nothing against press form ugl , but liquid form bahh ,,, often too acidic , change ph of stomach too much, harsh on health


  high quality filter are easy to get in canada

 problem is this ,,, clients , they want t400 without ethyl since many allergic ,,, they want press clenbuterol who will make your hand shake like a ventilpulmin overdose, u can trust a ugl but can u trust a label ?? a sticker ??
,, ppls think it' th era of underdose ,, no my friend it th era of overdose

 if you press 200mcg clen ppls will shake n think it awesome ,,and will move well ...
 but it will b written 50mcg on stickers since 200mcg will scare ppls !!!

[madg]

 th primobolan shering , th oil stay stuck in top neck no ugl cant produce that , if oil flow top to bottom fast n easy u got a fake one

100% true

[Bam-bam]

Good thread

[leadhead]

thk u ,,,

indeed i will not touch a t3 generic ,,

 since raw injectable so stinky it triple seal , to save custom

 hav nothing against press form ugl , but liquid form bahh ,,, often too acidic , change ph of stomach too much, harsh on health


  high quality filter are easy to get in canada

 problem is this ,,, clients , they want t400 without ethyl since many allergic ,,, they want press clenbuterol who will make your hand shake like a ventilpulmin overdose, u can trust a ugl but can u trust a label ?? a sticker ??
,, ppls think it' th era of underdose ,, no my friend it th era of overdose

 if you press 200mcg clen ppls will shake n think it awesome ,,and will move well ...
 but it will b written 50mcg on stickers since 200mcg will scare ppls !!!

I had some clen from a ugl that had to be overdosed like that. I want to say it was 50mcg and luckily I split the pill in half. I supposively took 25mcg but it felt like I took much more because I was use to taking clen. I threw the bottle away because I thought my heart was going to explode from half a pill lol