How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?

[JFree92]

I'm only 19 but have ambitions to go far in bodybuilding. I have been lifting for 1 year but most of this has been spent cutting from being a fat kunt. I have been reading info on getbig for a while now and am looking to start on gear sooner rather than later.

However, I lack a natural foundation atm and would not consider myself big in anyway. I have heard contrasting opinions on whether this is a problem or not.

This is my pic

[purenaturalstrength]

you need to learn the proper techniques in the main lifts and you have to know how to eat a lot


I think apart from that natural training is probably a waste if you want to be a real bodybuild


maybe do it for a year, by then you have 90% of your natural potential


you may want to use this time to reflect on your "ambitions to go far" because if you can't make it do you really want to load up on hormones like crazy?

all the best

pns approved

[cross-of-iron]

 

[JFree92]

Yeah pns even if in the future I decide I don't want to bodybuild on the pro stage, I still definitely want to maintain and build on an impressive physique.

[purenaturalstrength]

Yeah pns even if in the future I decide I don't want to bodybuild on the pro stage, I still definitely want to maintain and build on an impressive physique.

you should read gh15's "so you want to be a bodybuild" series then.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=393232.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=393700.0

good luck

[j3di3]

Dude, you look like a teenage girl.

You should train naturally for several years, learn to eat right and train correctly and only then proceed to gear.
These few years will give you the opportunity to figure our if you are really going to stick to training.

Wait until you are 24-25 and then consider taking gear again.

[purenaturalstrength]

Dude, you look like a teenage girl.

You should train naturally for several years, learn to eat right and train correctly and only then proceed to gear.
These few years will give you the opportunity to figure our if you are really going to stick to training.

Wait until you are 24-25 and then consider taking gear again.

i asked gh15 and he said by 23 you definitely need to be on it, definitely!!!

21-23 can still get good results with steroids without growth hormone he said

the older you get the more gh you will need

so unless he wants to blow tons of money on gh best not to wait untill too late

[j3di3]

sometimes i cant figure out if you are serious or being sarcastic, i hope you are being sarcastic this time.

[purenaturalstrength]

sometimes i cant figure out if you are serious or being sarcastic, i hope you are being sarcastic this time.

i dont know lol what do i know or what do i care about drugs

lol

[_bruce_]

Make sure you never enter prison.

[goomba420]

i dont know lol what do i know or what do i care about drugs

lol

you have an obsession with this place u bitch,  join the rest and hop on hormones PUSSY

[bber]

my only advice for you right now

learn how to eat
dont waste your money on supplements besides the basics
dont over train.. get your rest..

do this for a few months you should be able to gain a decent amount.. otherwise you'll be like the many people i see who get on gear straight away, gain like 20lb then have a hard time gaining even with gear in the future lol

[First Blood]

I'm only 19 but have ambitions to go far in bodybuilding. I have been lifting for 1 year but most of this has been spent cutting from being a fat kunt. I have been reading info on getbig for a while now and am looking to start on gear sooner rather than later.

However, I lack a natural foundation atm and would not consider myself big in anyway. I have heard contrasting opinions on whether this is a problem or not.

This is my pic

Train for at least 3 years before you consider drugs. Learn the basics and know your body.

[whitewidow]

most important thing possible.you should only start the juice when you are about 24-25 and totally plateau out. juice will just get you over the hump where you will continue growth once you hit that plateau but it shouldnt hit you till your 24-25 men grow naturally for a long time. even when you are 24-25 you still can make gains but thats when it starts becomming very hard and you have to turn to anabolics to get bigger and stronger. I think this thread is a joke but Ill post this anyways.

[JFree92]

OK thanks for the replies, didn't mean to be so stupid or whatever lol. I'm just trying to guage some opinions on it. From what I'd read on this forum previously juicing is encouraged greatly no matter where you are with your training etc. Well at least gh15 seems to explicitly promote hormones.

[MORTALCOIL]

Gimmicks Inc.

[Dr Dutch]

I think you maxed out training naturally by now.....

[farrellzach]

Well you look like you've never been in the weight room, sorry to say.

The only foundation GH says you need is the one you build with strictly AAS. Then you build off that with GH and slin.

[JFree92]

Yeah I have been training like 11 months but the whole time I have been training in a calorie deficit which is why it looks like I've never touched a weight. I have been bulking for a month or so now though.

[farrellzach]

Yeah I have been training like 11 months but the whole time I have been training in a calorie deficit which is why it looks like I've never touched a weight. I have been bulking for a month or so now though.

Get your weight up, learn to eat a lot and then in maybe a year hit the gear if being a great bodybuilder is the goal.

[Tito24]

its really sickening how far people think they can come with natural training, people think that for the slightest bit of muscle you have been juicing.

[Borracho]

I know you wanted to know what gh thought so I dug up a few posts for ya.......

to the 16 year old who wrote this thread. 3 key points you must dial in at the age youre in are:

1) the right training with the right form with the right weight. bodybuilders are NOT powerlifters (in most cases) you will try to go for SUPER  heavy weights to impress the hoe cheerleaders in your school and you will never see your muscles grow. remember this!! work as heavy as YOU can lift, correctly!

2) C A L O R I E S  and at your age I WOULD NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE CLEAN DIET CRAP. you dont build a thick bodybuilder physiqe by eating clean and dieting. you EAT TO GROW and you eat CLEAN to CUT. always remember this! following a strict diet at your age will eliminate the word HUGE  from future compliments given to you. when you wake up in the morning tell yourself this: muscles do not grow on broiled chiken and brown rice. muscles do not grow on extra lean beef and oats. you need calories MILK, EGGWHITES, STEAKS, ICEREAM, SPAGGETI AND YOU CAN CHEAT YOUR WAY TO ALMOST ANY FOODS OUT THERE.

3) H O R M O N E S: you can be like many of us and start at 18-19 or you can be like many others that never turn pro and stuck at an amatuer show because they started at 30....all depends on your own needs/ambitions. before you start juicing make sure you got a good foundation on you since the drugs will not build it on you!! yes drugs will add 2 more inches on your arm but you will have to work for the next 2 inches past that like a mad man. it is not only the hormones that make the diff! it is a lot of hard calculated work, it is knowing your body, it is knowing your ego! and most important!! knowing your genetics.

letr me add here that steve seriously take a look at your physiqe ,,you SHOULD NEVER TOUCH DRUGS LOOKING THIS WAY ,,NEVER! this  is not developed no foundation what so ever ,,and need more natural size for the use of even 10 mg winstrol,,and im very serious,,you will just ruin your health with out getting big,,mark my words,,

first cycle should always and forever be this exact one im writing here so write copy and paste

anabol thai snake and  arrow dianabol = 30-50mg
testovirons/norma test or if cyp testex ,, one of of those 3  only!! = 500mg
norma hellas nandrolone decanoate  = 400-600mg

letrozole or nolvadex to keep you hard all through cycle with proviron if you got the money for your dick to be super hard when fuckin the local 18 year old whores who will stand in line to sleep with you

thats all you need

[purenaturalstrength]

you have an obsession with this place u bitch,  join the rest and hop on hormones PUSSY

yeah I can't wait to join the rest of you washed up idiots who juiced up thinking they'd one day be a somebody

[JFree92]

Thanks for that Borracho but I have noticed gh15 has changed his viewpoint seemingly. Recent he said:

foundation is

the time you had in the gymnasium TRAINING with ANABOLIC STEROIDS IN YOUR BLOOD.... IT IS NOT THE ACTUAL TRAINNIG NATURAL ,, TRAINING NATURAL IS PART OF HAVING FOUNDATION ...BUT THE FOUNDATION THAT I TALK ABOUT IS TRAINING + ANABOLIC STEROIDS! ....

WHEN I SAY SOMEONE DOESNT HAVE FOUNDATION IT MEAN THEY JUMPED TOOOOOOOOOOOO FAST ON THE HGH AND INSULINA AND WENT INTO MEGADOSE LAND BEFOREEEE DEVELOPING ENOUGH MUSCLE DENSITY.... DENNNNNNNNNNNNNSITY ....AND ENOUGH MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL....AGAIN! IT IS NOT THE DIAMETER OF MUSCLE IT IS THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE MUSCLE THAT PROJECT STRENGTH AND CREATE A BASE ON WHICH ...YES I JUST SAID ON WHICH...ON WHICH YOU CAN BUILD THE RON COLMANS AND THE DORIAN YATES...

PHILSULINA HAD HAPPY DAY YESTERDAY HE IS YOUR BODYBUILD CHAMP MR O BUT HE LACK THE FOUNDATION ,, IM NOT A MEAN PERSON I DONT HATE HIM ,, HE KNOWS I DONT HATE HIM ...I SAID HE WOULD WIN ,, LONG BEFORE HE WON I SAID HE WOULD WIN ,, BUT! HE JUST DOESNT HAVE THE FOUNDATION MY FRIENDS,, SORRY

gh15 approved.

[Man of Steel]

I'm only 19 but have ambitions to go far in bodybuilding. I have been lifting for 1 year but most of this has been spent cutting from being a fat kunt. I have been reading info on getbig for a while now and am looking to start on gear sooner rather than later.

However, I lack a natural foundation atm and would not consider myself big in anyway. I have heard contrasting opinions on whether this is a problem or not.

This is my pic

First question I'd ask is what are you trying to accomplish with your training?  Wanna look good in clubs and on the beach for girls?   Stay a natty and just train your butt off.  MHO, at 19 with barely a year of training under you belt you don't need to consider gear at all.