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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2011, 08:28:00 AM »
Quote from: CalvinH on November 04, 2011, 07:54:11 AM



You're no gh15 ,man of short shorts.

You got that right.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2011, 08:30:49 AM »
Quote from: Man of Steel on November 04, 2011, 08:28:00 AM
You got that right.


But nobody can do a pose on the bathtub like you 8)
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2011, 08:32:08 AM »
If you want to look buff in the club as a natural you have to bulk, if you try to be 6% bodyfat once you put on clothes you will look like a skinny twink in the club.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2011, 08:33:44 AM »
Quote from: purenaturalstrength on November 04, 2011, 08:26:00 AM
when i was a clueless noob people told me the things you are telling him


and here i am now a good 5 years later and I still dont look like i lift in clothes

given this is an anonymous bb board we can never be certain of a few things:

how you're training.
how hard you're training.
how consistently you're training.
whether or not you're a gimmick.

we all speak from personal experience.  I have lousy genetics and achieved a lot naturally.  I've witnessed others doing the same.  If you're a genuine account (not a gimmick) and have truly trained correctly, trained hard and trained consistently for 5 years and look no different in street clothes then you may be an exception to the rule.  either way, I ain't lying. 
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2011, 08:34:20 AM »
Yeah you will never be bodybuilding big as a natural with low BF%. Some guys may be tall and have a wide frame, but they won't be bodybuilding big in terms of muscle mass.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2011, 08:35:01 AM »
Quote from: CalvinH on November 04, 2011, 08:30:49 AM

But nobody can do a pose on the bathtub like you 8)

And don't you forget it!
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2011, 08:41:35 AM »
Quote from: First Blood on November 04, 2011, 08:34:20 AM
Yeah you will never be bodybuilding big as a natural with low BF%. Some guys may be tall and have a wide frame, but they won't be bodybuilding big in terms of muscle mass.

Quote from: Man of Steel on September 22, 2011, 07:09:41 AM
Yes, I've seen the plight of many a juicebox time and again.  They start natty, train hard, start networking with the gearheads casually, start their first cycle, start a more aggresive cycle, start a really aggresive cycle, blow up on the sauce, look great, compete once and place well, compete twice and win a show, compete a third time at a bigger show and take 18th, train harder than ever before, compete a fourth time in another big show and take 17th, realize their pro bb dreams are a pipedream, revert back to personal training for awhile, moonlight as a bouncer, moonlight as a stripper, fall into a downward spiraling party scene, run outta cash, run outta gear, run outta size, quit training altogether (cause what's the point without the chemicals) and then dissappear from the face of the earth......seen a good 8 or 9 examples of some form of this situation.  Do all users end up like this?  Of course not.  Most casually use so they look good in a skintight glitter shirt at clubs.  Pick up a few super fine girls they never could've before and that's about it.  Regardless of rec drug use, bb drug use, etc....all can lead to some form of addiction.  Some folks are way stronger and more controlled than others and avoid the addiction, but the path is a slippery slope and many don't last.

Quote from: Man of Steel on September 22, 2011, 07:18:12 AM
Morality, integrity and values in regards to bb drug use is a non-issue on Getbig.  The attitude is "whatever gets you there is fair play".  In most cases we're dealing with young 20-something kids that have very few responsibilities in life.

Quote from: Man of Steel on September 22, 2011, 07:28:53 AM
I have lifted a lot more than that naturally and I don't look like a bb and never will cause I won't use.  See me at the local grocery store and many will think, "he's a big guy," but put me next to a juicebox with bb lines, density and low bodyfat and there's no comparison LOL!!

Quote from: Man of Steel on September 22, 2011, 07:37:06 AM
Without a doubt.  We look good in the gym, Walmart, Sears, family reunions, etc....., but in a truly competitive bb environment?  LOL!  We're just fat puds.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2011, 08:49:41 AM »
You look like shit, hope this helps.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2011, 08:56:00 AM »
Quote from: Hulkotron on November 04, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
You look like shit, hope this helps.

I know.

I feel like I should re-phrase my question.

Basically my goal is to be around about 210-220lbs at 6-8%. I want to achieve this by the time I'm 25/26. Therefore I am aware that I will need to be juicing and not only that but most likely on a blast/cruise for my life. I am ok with this but I want to make sure I do everything right and one thing I was worried about was starting the whole process when I look like I do. I was just wondering whether that would be a problem or whether I should devote more time to natural training first.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2011, 08:58:10 AM »
Quote from: JFree92 on November 04, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
I know.

I feel like I should re-phrase my question.

Basically my goal is to be around about 210-220lbs at 6-8%. I want to achieve this by the time I'm 25/26. Therefore I am aware that I will need to be juicing and not only that but most likely on a blast/cruise for my life. I am ok with this but I want to make sure I do everything right and one thing I was worried about was starting the whole process when I look like I do. I was just wondering whether that would be a problem or whether I should devote more time to natural training first.

It's just a meme around here duder, don't take it so hard  8)  Got to have a thick skin on GB.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2011, 09:07:06 AM »
Quote from: JFree92 on November 04, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
I know.

I feel like I should re-phrase my question.

Basically my goal is to be around about 210-220lbs at 6-8%. I want to achieve this by the time I'm 25/26. Therefore I am aware that I will need to be juicing and not only that but most likely on a blast/cruise for my life. I am ok with this but I want to make sure I do everything right and one thing I was worried about was starting the whole process when I look like I do. I was just wondering whether that would be a problem or whether I should devote more time to natural training first.

So you're content with becoming a drug addict for life?  Good luck kid.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2011, 09:08:58 AM »
12 posts

19 years old

you came here on getbig for gear information

ok


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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2011, 02:50:14 PM »
I guess the general consensus is come back in 2 years then.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2011, 02:58:50 PM »
Man of steel: my post wasn't directed at you, it was a general statement.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2011, 03:35:03 PM »
If anyone could direct gh15 to this thread I'd be grateful. I'd like to see what he would say. I'm not looking for someone to tell me to just do it, I'm not looking for an approval, just wanting a mixture of views.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2011, 04:36:57 PM »
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2011, 09:49:02 PM »
but seriously, you know, i um... spent all those years (10 years training) as a natty just busting my balls with unbelievable intensity and consistency and ALWAYS just driving myself further and further and never growing like i wanted to so i would think i was just doing something wrong. i would learn more and more about form and i upped the weight as much as i possibly could THINKING that if i could just do everything right then i would grow! well little did i know, i couldn't grow a lb past 180 no matter what i did. as an example of the extremes i went to: i used to do walking lunges with 225 almost (two plates on each side of the short straight bar) ten on each foot! AS A NATURAL! when top pros don't even do this!

what i'm getting at is all that time spent learning EVERYTHING i could and all this frustration payed off tremendously when i finally learned about gear and started using myself. so i think given my perspective i realized that i am SO MUCH MORE APPRECIATIVE of certain tools than someone who could be just handed everything he needed on a silver platter!

YOU TAKE FOR GRANTED WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR AND THE HARDER YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR SOMETHING THE MORE YOU WILL APPRECIATE IT!!!
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2011, 09:57:55 PM »
Quote from: bber on November 04, 2011, 05:13:16 AM
my only advice for you right now

learn how to eat
dont waste your money on supplements besides the basics
dont over train.. get your rest..

do this for a few months you should be able to gain a decent amount.. otherwise you'll be like the many people i see who get on gear straight away, gain like 20lb then have a hard time gaining even with gear in the future lol

supplements are absolutely useless (in the way of muscle building). FOOD FOOD FOOD. i'm taking zero supplements (aside from glucosamine for my joints) and have gained 18lbs in 3.5 weeks on juice. there's no way i would have gained any more than that with an added sawdust-shake thrown in there. if you want to eat. eat real meat, clean, lean, and mean!
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2011, 01:17:35 AM »
Only problem with the 'eat,eat,eat' agenda is that i put on fat really easy.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2011, 02:34:17 AM »
At least 2.5 years, probably 3 or just over. After that if you're not happy with the size you have then fucking juice. At least get the natural gains first, other than experience it makes the juicing much more worthwhile and you will kill those dweebs that juice from the outset.
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2011, 04:49:11 AM »
Is the main reason I should wait just incase I don't want to use gear anymore, or is there actually a problem posed with starting before your natural base is there or not?
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Re: How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?
« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2011, 08:49:00 AM »
Quote from: goomba420 on November 04, 2011, 07:44:25 AM
BUT DO YOU HAVE THE GENETICS

it's not like there's a way to know this ahead of time...

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