How important is it to build a natural foundation before starting on gear?

[gh15]

dont diregard fat,, you ae not in mid singles,, but! eat eat eat and eat good calories in ,, in your case since you are natural still you will need good calories and on the clock eating ,, every 2-3 hours boom a meal,, it will put you in the 210 zone then from then on go freaky

gh15 approved

[JFree92]

Ok but I'll try and stop being a pussy about my love handles. Every time I bulk I always feel like stopping because of them. Probably due to my fear of getting fat again like I used be.

[Steve Namat]

don't let this image intimidate you, thinking you have to be this big before jumping on hormones. his natural/hormonized status in this pic is debatable. i think even gh15 said he is not natural in this pic. no disrespect to namat but i'll admit i don't believe he's natural here.

you have to realize that a lot of bodybuilders feel that credit is being taken away from them if they acknowledge steroid use despite ALL THE HARD WORK they put in (and this is true). so instead they typically downplay the role of hormones in their success. (or completely deny) lol gustavo badell

Being a bodybuilder is impossible without gear...for most of the guys even the beach body is impossible naturally. But if you are totally beginner...you don't need gear...

[Kulutues]

Steve...not everyone is 5 foot 2 inches tall like you and fills out after 1 week of training

[gh15]

Steve...not everyone is 5 foot 2 inches tall like you and fills out after 1 week of training

nothing to do with filing out,, only picture that could pass for natural is the first one from left,, rest...if you know hormones ,, if you make money of bodybuild like i do ....you would know the chages in the face ,, the skin changes ,, the lean muscula rgrowth with less bodyfat ...only come from hormones,,

i told you before 170 5'10! 6% is best you will see as natursal ,, true natural ,, for a 5'7 it is 150,, maybe 155 if reallly !!! reallllllllllllllly lucky an wear heavy shoes lol

gh15 approved

[Steve Namat]

Steve...not everyone is 5 foot 2 inches tall like you and fills out after 1 week of training

LOL!

[Steve Namat]

nothing to do with filing out,, only picture that could pass for natural is the first one from left,, rest...if you know hormones ,, if you make money of bodybuild like i do ....you would know the chages in the face ,, the skin changes ,, the lean muscula rgrowth with less bodyfat ...only come from hormones,,

i told you before 170 5'10! 6% is best you will see as natursal ,, true natural ,, for a 5'7 it is 150,, maybe 155 if reallly !!! reallllllllllllllly lucky an wear heavy shoes lol

gh15 approved

Yea of course... 1st pic natural, 2nd not... And the funny thing is, the bodyweight was the same...

[gh15]

bodyweight has nothing to do with hormonal usage,, indoniaisn  fella of mine,, spoke about him before,, coimpeted 140s 150s...5'7 wiped floor with 180s ,, he was 148 on stage looked like ebony moutain of muscles,,

bodyweight has nothnig to do with hormonal usage,, hgh will take a physiqe and make it look night and day on same body weight,,

as i said before...you can hav e195 lb and then you can HAVE 195lb!  ,, with out hgh 210lb will ben smaller than 195 lb fella same height ....he wil be smaller as in less lean muscle

gh15 approved

[Steve Namat]

hgh will take a physiqe and make it look night and day on same body weight,,

That's what I'm sayin...it's interesting how can you look so much better at the same bodyweight, with better condition and muscularity.

Haven't used gh at that time tho.

[wes]

you were 240 in tis pic ? 

You have no business using steroids........fuck what anyone else tells you.

Train for a few years and build some size,then see what your genetic potential looks like.

[Fitness4Life]

mackauly kulkin ?

[wes]

Looking for that magic pill without having to do the necessary work.

[wes]

mackauly kulkin ?

[Fitness4Life]

lmao, exact replica!  oh god, culkin on steroids here he comes

[apply85]

steve still thinks we are stupid

[Steve Namat]

steve still thinks we are stupid

Yes, many of you...including you. But it's still a good place tho. 

[Hulkotron]

Being a bodybuilder is impossible without gear...for most of the guys even the beach body is impossible naturally. But if you are totally beginner...you don't need gear...

Looks like you about doubled your arm size there Steve.

[apply85]

Yes, many of you...including you. But it's still a good place tho. 

I'm sorry you looked like absolute shit without drugs, really I am, more like skeleton of shit lol

[Steve Namat]

I'm sorry you looked like absolute shit without drugs, really I am, more like skeleton of shit lol

Anyway I won two shows that year...including the junior nationals... Mr. "100 pound pulldown in yo face". LOL!

[apply85]

Anyway I won two shows that year...including the junior nationals... Mr. "100 pound pulldown in yo face". LOL!

once again I'm sorry u looked like shit without drugs, im sorry your own insecurites turned u into a life time liar, sorry again that you never even had a chance to grow up to be an honest person

[Cutlet767]

GH15 is full of shit telling you to "train naturally". You can't build shit naturally, he knows and agrees, but as usual contradicts himself like a fucking retard. Have you seen the TRUE natural limit he says people can reach? And you want to spend 3 years building that? hahahahahahahaha.

Just don't waste time. I guess put in 3-4 weeks, learn the ropes a bit, and then get busy with some quality HG gear, and a shit load of food. Stop fucking around. The clever ones start early while the rest just look like shit and complain.

And LOL @ PCT, fuck outta here. This is easily the biggest scam in bodybuilding. You think You can make steroid gains, get lean as fuck on steroids, and then come off and keep any real physique? You think that if you start off squatting 225 1rm, gain several lbs of muscle and up it to 315-365 for a bunch, you can come off and live happily ever after?

Look, your genetics are shit. And the earlier you just start getting serious about bbing the better. Acquire the necessary anabolics and get your shit together kid.

[gh15]

GH15 is full of shit telling you to "train naturally". You can't build shit naturally, he knows and agrees, but as usual contradicts himself like a fucking retard. Have you seen the TRUE natural limit he says people can reach? And you want to spend 3 years building that? hahahahahahahaha.

Just don't waste time. I guess put in 3-4 weeks, learn the ropes a bit, and then get busy with some quality HG gear, and a shit load of food. Stop fucking around. The clever ones start early while the rest just look like shit and complain.

And LOL @ PCT, fuck outta here. This is easily the biggest scam in bodybuilding. You think You can make steroid gains, get lean as fuck on steroids, and then come off and keep any real physique? You think that if you start off squatting 225 1rm, gain several lbs of muscle and up it to 315-365 for a bunch, you can come off and live happily ever after?

Look, your genetics are shit. And the earlier you just start getting serious about bbing the better. Acquire the necessary anabolics and get your shit together kid.

185lb 6'4 = 145lb 5'10 ,,he is 12% little less

even the worse genetic fella in the world can be more than 145lb 12% 5;10 ,, this is 30-35lb under the natural limit i establish in bible AND! since he is 12%....this is much more,,, he is about 40-45lb under his natural limit

so dont put word in my mouth,, im never wrong,, if i say he can go natural that mean he can go natural atleats for 25-30more lb

gh15 approved

[Cutlet767]

185lb 6'4 = 145lb 5'10 ,,he is 12% little less

even the worse genetic fella in the world can be more than 145lb 12% 5;10 ,, this is 30-35lb under the natural limit i establish in bible AND! since he is 12%....this is much more,,, he is about 40-45lb under his natural limit

so dont put word in my mouth,, im never wrong,, if i say he can go natural that mean he can go natural atleats for 25-30more lb

gh15 approved

Correction: You are always wrong. 145 at 12% 5'10 is clinically underweight. 30lbs lol... what you consider a natural physique is not worth 2 fucking years training for. You already know, all naturals look like shit. This is the result of natural bbing being a waste of time. You have said this forever, so gtfo, and stop back pedalling. This fucker SHOULD start gearing up in a couple months at most, and you KNOW it. Stop dancing around the issue....

[apply85]

with steroids he can just put on those 30 lb faster

[Cutlet767]

with steroids he can just put on those 30 lb faster

Exactly.