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Jobs report is out
« on: November 04, 2011, 07:32:08 AM »
Unemployment rate fell to a six-month low of 9 percent

- Teen unemployment dropped from 24.6% > 24.1%

- African American unemployment dropped from 16% > 15.1%

- Fewer long-term jobless in Oct, and 99ers went from 2 million to 1.8 million.

- Two months after everyone was freaking out because the Aug. number was reported as 0, it's now been revised up twice to 104,000

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2011, 07:37:30 AM »
Jobs situation is worse than it looks

Nov. 4, 2011

This is getting repetitive. The October jobs report, out Friday morning, is very similar to the reports of recent months. Some 80,000 new payroll jobs were created, and the unemployment rate ticked down to 9.0 percent. It highlights a trend of an employment market that's recovering very slowly, with workers eking out meager gains.

A few items worth noting:

The "conservative recovery" continues. For months we've been noticing that, every month, the private sector adds jobs while the public sector cuts them. It's been the case for much of the past year that the U.S. economy is growing not because of government spending, but in spite of government cutbacks. In October, the private sector created 104,000 jobs, with gains led by professional and business services (33,000) and leisure and hospitality (22,000). Manufacturing posted a small 5,000 jobs gain. Meanwhile, governments at all levels cut 24,000 jobs. Since May 2010, government has cut one million jobs while the private sector has added 2.28 million positions.

Labor market frustration remains at high levels. The headline unemployment rate is only one of several data points contained in the report. And while the 9.0 percent rate is pretty dreadful, other metrics bear witness to a high and depressing level of labor market weakness. The unemployment rate for teenagers stands at 24.1 percent. The employment-population ratio checked in at a truly weak 58.4 percent. And the U-6, an alternate measure of unemployment that includes people who have given up people who are marginally attached to the workforce and people who are working part-time but would rather be working full-time, stands at 16.2 percent. That's down from 16.5 percent in September 2011, and down from 17.0 percent in October 2010, but it's still much too high.

Workers with jobs are making limited gains. While the number of jobs increased, the labor market remains remarkably loose. And that means corporations are able to get away with minimal wage increases. Average weekly earnings rose a smidge in October, to $795.42 from $793.70 in September. Average weekly wages are up just 1.8 percent in the past 12 months.

The trend is your friend. Each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics looks back at the data reported in the prior two months and issues a revised figure on job creation. In the last two years, it has been common for prior months to be revised upwards. That trend continued. The August figure, previously reported as a gain of 57,000 jobs, was nearly doubled to a gain of 104,000 jobs. The September figure, originally reported as a 103,000 jobs gain was revised sharply higher to a gain of 158,000. In all, BLS discovered 102,000 jobs that it hadn't noted previously. So far this year, then, the economy has added 1.435 million jobs.

Here's something else that's repetitive: The jobs market won't do much to spur the bodies in Washington that have the ability to do something about the situation to act. The Federal Reserve is bound by its dual mandate to promote full employment. But Chairman Ben Bernanke on Wednesday essentially indicated that, even though the central bank is failing miserably at carrying out that mandate, he doesn't plan to do anything. And Congress and the White House are locked in their usual cycle of dysfunction. President Obama has proposed a series of measures that economists and neutral organizations agree would spur job creation. Republicans in the House and Senate, aided by a few Democrats, choose not to pass them. It's worth repeating: The recovery in the jobs market is taking place despite government, not because of it. And that's likely to be the case for next month as well.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/october-jobs-report-deja-vu-over-again-130357751.html

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 07:51:36 AM »
great post, loco.   Maybe this is the new "normal" in this world.  THe numbers aren't much for Obama to brag about, but there's not a ton for Repubs to complain about. 

Just the status quo for a depressed global economy?

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 07:59:17 AM »
Unemployment rate fell to a six-month low of 9 percent

- Teen unemployment dropped from 24.6% > 24.1%

- African American unemployment dropped from 16% > 15.1%

- Fewer long-term jobless in Oct, and 99ers went from 2 million to 1.8 million.

- Two months after everyone was freaking out because the Aug. number was reported as 0, it's now been revised up twice to 104,000


Hmmmm. I would have figure that you would have learned by now. Wait until next month when revisions are made and those numbers are actually worse. This has happened every month. The report comes out with a set of numbers and the next month they are amended.

Economy is in the crapper. Period.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2011, 08:04:23 AM »

- Two months after everyone was freaking out because the Aug. number was reported as 0, it's now been revised up twice to 104,000


That's the funniest part of it.  Revised twice due to whatever they feel like just so it wasn't 0.  A .1% trend up, if that's even true since who the fuck knows if it's actually based off factual data, isn't something anyone can be proud of.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2011, 08:06:04 AM »
Hmmmm. I would have figure that you would have learned by now. Wait until next month when revisions are made and those numbers are actually worse. This has happened every month. The report comes out with a set of numbers and the next month they are amended.

Economy is in the crapper. Period.

This statement contradicts this belief:

"Two months after everyone was freaking out because the Aug. number was reported as 0, it's now been revised up twice to 104,000"

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2011, 08:08:51 AM »
NFP Less +103K Birth Death Adjustment = -23K; 530K Jobs Created In 2011 "Statistically"
ZeroHedge ^ | November 4, 2011 | Tyler Durden

Posted on Friday, November 04, 2011 9:02:36 AM by algernonpj

And back to the old gimmicks: the Birth Death adjustment has now "added" 530 jobs in 2011, and the October number of 102K is 31K greater than a year earlier. ...


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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2011, 08:13:04 AM »
the fact that we're arguing b/d rates proves that it's a wash.

the gigantic plummets we saw from 2008 to 2009 are done now. 

We're living in a depressed global economy now.  The numebrs will look the same under president romney.  No magic pills or we would have taken them already!

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2011, 08:27:04 AM »
Nonfarm Payroll Increase Less Than Expected At +80K, Unemployment Rate Drops To 9.0% Vs 9.1% Consensus

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 11/04/2011 08:33 -0400

BLS Bureau of Labor Statistics Unemployment




Once again, Goldman was correct. From the report, "Nonfarm payroll employment continued to trend up in October (+80,000), and the unemployment rate was little changed at 9.0 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment in the private sector rose, with modest job growth continuing in professional and businesses services, leisure and hospitality, health care, and mining. Government employment continued to trend down." While October missed consensus by 15K, September was revised from 103K to 158K. The change in private payrolls was +104K on expectations of 125K (down from an upward revised 191K), while manufacturing payrolls, or whatever is left of them, was +5K on expectations of +2K. The labor force participation ratio was flat at 64.2%, just off the 30 year low. What is truly hilarious, and what confirms the L should be permanently scrapped from the BLS is that the initial August NFP number of 0 has now been revised twice to 104,000 or whatever suites the US policy at the time.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2011, 08:30:06 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2011, 08:41:46 AM »
This statement contradicts this belief:

"Two months after everyone was freaking out because the Aug. number was reported as 0, it's now been revised up twice to 104,000"

Actually, you are contradicting yourself. You are calling out people who pointed to that report showing 2 months of zero job creation, yet here you are pointing out this report. Mind you. It has been years of monthly economic reports reflecting the sad state of the economy and somehow you think THIS particular reportproves something. What does it prove? Absolutely nothing since you need a lot more months like this to even resurrect the economy.

Personally, I stopped paying much attention to job reports. They don't give the whole picture and anyone with any common sense will see there is something wrong, when every job report before this one claimed increasing UE applications but the UE rate remained at 9.1%. Somehow, by some sort of miracle, there is a minor drop off in said applications and the UE rate goes down. Makes no sense.

Sorry. Economy is in the crapper and it will stay there for a long time. Period. Next!!




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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 08:47:45 AM »
We need 125 a month minimum to stay even!   


wo the BD Index - we would get the truth.   

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 06:09:56 PM »
Some on this board are suffering from an acute case of normalcy bias.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 08:10:17 PM »
Actually, it looks like you guys are in agreement:


We're living in a depressed global economy now.  The numebrs will look the same under president romney.  No magic pills or we would have taken them already!

Economy is in the crapper. Period.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2011, 11:00:32 AM »
Actually, it looks like you guys are in agreement:



Correct.  It's like this all over hte world.  It's not like there's 180 nations who are ballin' out of control and living the good life, while Obama's lib policy destroys the Dollar.

Currencies, productivity, trade - all of these things are down all over the world.  A president Mccain wouldn't be leading the world out of this mess right now.  Likely, as Bush did, he would be spurning bits of growth/stopping the bleeding with smaller stimulus packages of 20 to 50 billion dollars every few months.  Continued bailouts vs. a one-time Big Bailout from obama.

The global economy sucks right now.  It's not the fault of Bush or Obama.  THey both did their part to contribute - but it's shitty all over the wolrd because everyone is living beyond their means.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 11:04:12 AM »
great post, loco.   Maybe this is the new "normal" in this world.  THe numbers aren't much for Obama to brag about, but there's not a ton for Repubs to complain about.  

Just the status quo for a depressed global economy?

What constitutes “the new normal”, dickhead? You mean the new Western normal? This is what happens when you emulate the European government model: no economic growth and no jobs to show for the mountains of increased taxes and regulations. This is why the Europeans have effectively taxed and regulated the continent out of relevancy. As a WSJ poll last month found Americans now believe Asia is more relevant to our interests and Europe can only blame itself for that change.

“The new normal”.  ::)

I say this with love: fuck you.


You really think that Americans care about whether the economy is Obama's fault or not? No. They care about jobs and he isn't producing them. Spin that as you might (and you're certainly trying your hardest) but it doesn't matter. Another 1+ years of 9%+ unemployment will destroy him.


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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 11:04:32 AM »
Correct.  It's like this all over hte world.  It's not like there's 180 nations who are ballin' out of control and living the good life, while Obama's lib policy destroys the Dollar.

Currencies, productivity, trade - all of these things are down all over the world.  A president Mccain wouldn't be leading the world out of this mess right now.  Likely, as Bush did, he would be spurning bits of growth/stopping the bleeding with smaller stimulus packages of 20 to 50 billion dollars every few months.  Continued bailouts vs. a one-time Big Bailout from obama.

The global economy sucks right now.  It's not the fault of Bush or Obama.  THey both did their part to contribute - but it's shitty all over the wolrd because everyone is living beyond their means.

So what's the solution genius?

Re-elect Obama so that the American economy is destroyed permanently?

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 11:05:16 AM »
So what's the solution genius?

Re-elect Obama so that the American economy is destroyed permanently?

It's not Obama's fault, dude. If only we spent another $5-10 trillion and gave him another four years. If we do that everything will be fixed. Pinky swear!

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 11:12:55 AM »
So what's the solution genius?

Re-elect Obama so that the American economy is destroyed permanently?

If I had the solution, I'd be living better than hot Pockets watching sunday football :)

IMO, it'll be innovation over the next decade that will solve this problem.  Someone will invent some killer app... a new email, new communication device, new food/water creator or cleanser... some new medicine... who knows.

Another generation of what happened when computers arrived.

It's a recession.  People get educated when there are no jobs.  Hungry ppl get desperate and necessity is the mother of all invention.

I dont believe bankers or politicians (who work only to help each other out) will solve it.  I think it'll be science that solves this problem.  nano machine that spits out rice as fast as you can feed it garbage.  Some silly recipe that turns paper into crude oil.  Who knows.  but it'll happen.  It always has, and always will.

Science and innovation get us out of this mess - and this mess is what leads to advances in science and innovation.

I think we should elect the president that will do the most to spurn this kind of growth.  If repub policies will help small business, so be it.  If dems make it easier to go to college, so be it.  I'm okay with subsidies in new and emerging sciences and fields.

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 11:16:48 AM »
We've gone 3 years down the Obama road. Nothing has changed. And instead of offering something new, he doubles down on the Stimulus and offers another one that's 50% the size of the first one. Does anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of economics (read: no one in the MSM) think that's going to fix anything?

Do you really think we need another four years to confirm that he has nothing left in the tank and has no idea what he's doing? I don't even give a fuck who the Repubs run at this point, it's time for someone new.



By the way, Singapore's economy is expected to grow 5-6% this year. They've had one bad year in this financial crisis and the rest have been good to great. They're also the freest economy in the world, the least corrupt, have almost flat tax rates (albeit still progressive) and 20% of the population has a net worth over $1 million. Maybe, just maybe, we should be looking to the Singaporean economic model instead of the failed European model?


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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 11:26:56 AM »
By the way, Singapore's economy is expected to grow 5-6% this year. They've had one bad year in this financial crisis and the rest have been good to great. They're also the freest economy in the world, the least corrupt, have almost flat tax rates (albeit still progressive) and 20% of the population has a net worth over $1 million. Maybe, just maybe, we should be looking to the Singaporean economic model instead of the failed European model?

They're big today because that's where all the american and euro rich people hid their stim money there, right?  ;)  

Everyone hides their money there, people live like chinese slaves, they're big oil/business... not quite sure you can use that model worldwide.


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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2011, 11:41:11 AM »
They're big today because that's where all the american and euro rich people hid their stim money there, right?  ;)  

Everyone hides their money there, people live like chinese slaves, they're big oil/business... not quite sure you can use that model worldwide.



The fuck are you talking about? Singapore has been big for YEARS.

The people live like Chinese slaves? 20% OF THE POPULATION HAS A NET WORTH OVER $1 MILLION. Yeah, living like slaves.  ::)

You talk about innovation and science fixing our economy. Try looking at their biotech sector, dipshit.

This post of yours pretty much confirms what I've always thought about you: you're not interested in all in fixing the economy and are nothing more than another big spending, big government liberal. Singapore's government knows how to get out of the way of business, which is antithetical to everything you stand for.

While Europe and the west dies thanks to the high tax, high regulation welfare state model, Singapore, Hong Kong and the other asian countries that embrace capitalism and free markets will continue to succeed.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2011, 11:47:18 AM »
The fuck are you talking about? Singapore has been big for YEARS.

The people live like Chinese slaves? 20% OF THE POPULATION HAS A NET WORTH OVER $1 MILLION. Yeah, living like slaves.  ::)

You talk about innovation and science fixing our economy. Try looking at their biotech sector, dipshit.

This post of yours pretty much confirms what I've always thought about you: you're not interested in all in fixing the economy and are nothing more than another big spending, big government liberal. Singapore's government knows how to get out of the way of business, which is antithetical to everything you stand for.

While Europe and the west dies thanks to the high tax, high regulation welfare state model, Singapore, Hong Kong and the other asian countries that embrace capitalism and free markets will continue to succeed.

Read about them.  This is not a model that would work worldwide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore

They launder everyone's money and handle currency conversions.  They manage oil business and infrastructure.  

They have an obama-lite society with the govt handling education and healthcare, and there's no midd class... you're rich or youre service industry.  40% of the population are from 'out of town' - just there to enjoy the ability to milk the rest of the world, with 60% of the population doing their laundry and washing their cars.

Bottom line is that the Sing model wouldn't work worldwide.  Thei role is too unique.

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Re: Jobs report is out
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2011, 11:49:46 AM »
dipshit.

You are not conducting the debate in a polite or civil matter.   :D

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2011, 11:50:52 AM »
Read about them.  This is not a model that would work worldwide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore

They launder everyone's money and handle currency conversions.  They manage oil business and infrastructure.  

They have an obama-lite society with the govt handling education and healthcare, and there's no midd class... you're rich or youre service industry.  40% of the population are from 'out of town' - just there to enjoy the ability to milk the rest of the world, with 60% of the population doing their laundry and washing their cars.

Bottom line is that the Sing model wouldn't work worldwide.  Thei role is too unique.


I've read plenty about Singapore and I'd be willing to bet my life that I know more about their economic model than you do.

The fact of the matter is that Barack Obama's goal of turning us into another European welfare state has destroyed this country's economy. The Europeans have also destroyed their economies with it.

"Singapore is a world leader in several economic areas: the country is the world's fourth leading financial centre,[76] the world's second biggest casino gambling market,[77] one of the world's top three oil refining centres, the world's largest oil-rig producer, and a major ship-repairer.[78][79][80] The port is one of the five busiest ports in the world.[77] The World Bank has praised Singapore as the easiest place in the world to do business[77] and ranks Singapore the world's top logistics hub.[81] Lastly, the country is also the world's fourth largest foreign-exchange trading centre after London, New York and Tokyo.[82]

The Singaporean economy depends heavily on exports and refining imported goods, especially in manufacturing,[67] which constituted 27.2% of GDP in 2010[6] and includes significant electronics, petroleum refining, chemicals, mechanical engineering and biomedical sciences sectors. In 2006 Singapore produced about 10% of the world's foundry wafer output.[68] Despite its small size, Singapore has a diversified economy, a strategy which the government considers vital for growth and stability. [69]"

As for healthcare and education, they consistently place in top 10 in the world on educational tests (destroying us) and their healthcare is also ranked 6th in the world. Then again, they stressed low costs when they implemented it while we stressed adding 30 million people to an already broken system.

Interesting that they do everything we do, just without the massive taxation and regulation. Funny how it works for them while we're bankrupt. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Money laundering.  ::)

Regardless, no one here is arguing for emulating it to the "t". But they have the right idea with their approach and are riding this economic crisis well whereas the Europeans and the West are insolvent and getting worse.

You are not conducting the debate in a polite or civil matter.   :D

You're not worth debating as you're a disingenuous, spinster shill.