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Obama Deputy AG - Americans don't need semi auto rifles.
« on: November 05, 2011, 06:32:21 AM »
After weeks of stonewalling by the Department of Justice, a clearer picture of what its top officials knew about BATFE’s Operation Fast and Furious, and when they knew it, is slowly beginning to emerge.

On Tuesday, Lanny Breuer, Assistant Attorney General for the Department of Justice’s Criminal Division, testified before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism about his knowledge of BATFE’s gunwalking operations, and his support for gun control.

In April 2010, Breuer says, he knew that BATFE agents had allowed hundreds of guns to be illegally purchased and smuggled to Mexican drug cartels in 2006 and 2007 as part of Wide Receiver, a Tucson-based operation similar to Fast and Furious, which was hatched out of Phoenix. Nevertheless, nearly a year later, when BATFE was accused of allowing guns to walk in Fast and Furious, Breuer suggested that he was convinced to not consider the allegations seriously. “I recall that both the leadership of ATF and the leadership of the United States Attorney's Offices in Arizona . . . were adamant about the fact that [gunwalking] was not, in fact, a condoned practice,” Breuer said. And as noted last week by the New York Times, last February the Justice Department sent a letter to Congress stating “A.T.F. makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transport into Mexico.”

Seeming to corroborate the 2007 date Breuer mentioned, the Associated Press reported today that a briefing paper prepared in 2007 for then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey “outlined failed attempts by federal agents to track illicitly purchased guns across the border into Mexico.” But why Breuer did not give more attention to the gunwalking claims made against Fast and Furious is as unclear to him as to the rest of the country. “I regret that in April of 2010 that I did not draw the connection between Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious,” Breuer said. “Moreover, I regret that even earlier this year, I didn't draw that connection.”

When it became Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s turn to question Breuer, the zealous anti-gun crusader from California tried to shift the focus of the hearings from battling international crime to battling those of us who support the Second Amendment.

The exchange between the two gun control supporters speaks for itself.

Feinstein: Mr. Breuer, in June of this year, I received a letter from the ATF. . . stating that 29,284 firearms [were] recovered in Mexico in '09 and 2010, and submitted to the ATF Tracing Center. With those weapons, 20,504, or 70 percent, were United States sourced. . . . Is it fair to say that 70 percent of the firearms showing up in Mexico are from the United States?

Breuer:  Thank you, Senator, for the question, and for your leadership on this issue. . . . Of the 94,000 weapons that have been recovered in Mexico, 64,000 of those are traced to the United States. We have to do something to prevent criminals from getting those guns, Senator. . . .

Feinstein: . . . .“[W]e have very lax laws when it comes to guns. . . . And so the question comes, do you believe that if there were some form of registration when you purchase these firearms that that would make a difference?

Breuer:  I do, Senator. . . . Today, Senator, we are not even permitted to have ATF receive reports about multiple sales of long guns, of any kind of semiautomatic weapon or the like. . . . Very few hunters in the United States or sports people and law-abiding people really need to have semiautomatic weapons or long guns. . . .”

Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), who has been co-leading Congress’ investigation of Fast and Furious with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), disagreed with Feinstein’s and Breuer’s claim that 70 percent of guns seized in Mexico come from the United States. “I released a report that I would like to ask be made a part of the record,” Senator Grassley said. “It refutes the numbers referenced early that 70 percent of the guns in Mexico came from the U.S. The answer isn't to clamp down on law abiding citizens or gun dealers.”

While Mr. Breuer’s testimony shined a glimmer of light on who knew what and when they knew it, about the BATFE’s most disastrous operation since the 1993 Waco raid, it obviously did not, nor was it intended to, lead Congress or the American people to a proper understanding of how many firearms have been smuggled to Mexico without BATFE’s help, since the Mexican drug cartels began waging war on their country. As has already been reported, many of the “guns traced to the U.S.” from Mexico were seized in that country many years ago, but have been only recently submitted for tracing at the urging of the BATFE. And to complicate things further, Mexican officials have acquiesced to BATFE’s urgings by submitting multiple trace requests on single guns.

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Re: Obama Deputy AG - Americans don't need semi auto rifles.
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 07:37:14 AM »
Breuer:  I do, Senator. . . . Today, Senator, we are not even permitted to have ATF receive reports about multiple sales of long guns, of any kind of semiautomatic weapon or the like. . . . Very few hunters in the United States or sports people and law-abiding people really need to have semiautomatic weapons or long guns. . . .”







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Re: Obama Deputy AG - Americans don't need semi auto rifles.
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 08:59:38 AM »
This man shows why the 2nd amendment is needed:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet-the-oakland-developer-who-used-a-shotgun-to-discourage-occupy-rioters/

Won't be seeing any riots on the scale of London this summer around here.


Feinstein pretty much confirmed what FaF was launched to do.

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 01:17:13 PM »
This man shows why the 2nd amendment is needed:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet-the-oakland-developer-who-used-a-shotgun-to-discourage-occupy-rioters/

Won't be seeing any riots on the scale of London this summer around here.


Feinstein pretty much confirmed what FaF was launched to do.
there is no sane reason that anyone needs an assault rifle

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Re: Obama Deputy AG - Americans don't need semi auto rifles.
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 01:20:46 PM »
there is no sane reason that anyone needs an assault rifle
one persons opinion, what sane reason is there to take the right away?

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 01:26:09 PM »
there is no sane reason that anyone needs an assault rifle
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What ia an assault rifle?     According to most far leftist tools like yrself, a ruger 10 22 qualifies as an assault rifle. 

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 01:35:16 PM »
one persons opinion, what sane reason is there to take the right away?

well..the best reason is if you look at Japan and england where there are very strict gun laws,..there are practically NO GUN VIOLENCE CRIMES...gun violence costs us a lot in hospital stays, long term rehab, the buying of wheelchairs due to paralysis, and it really hurts men because we are the main victims of gun violence....

in the most recent statistics, England had 14 deaths from firearms...Japan had 47..the United states had 9,369...all of these in the span of one year..anyone who believes that we should have the right to bear arms, especially assault weapons is insane...look at the statistics....if you continue to argue this point you should leave the thread, delete your account and then kill yourself...the stats don't lie..they are right there for you to see

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 01:50:02 PM »
well..the best reason is if you look at Japan and england where there are very strict gun laws,..there are practically NO GUN VIOLENCE CRIMES...gun violence costs us a lot in hospital stays, long term rehab, the buying of wheelchairs due to paralysis, and it really hurts men because we are the main victims of gun violence....

in the most recent statistics, England had 14 deaths from firearms...Japan had 47..the United states had 9,369...all of these in the span of one year..anyone who believes that we should have the right to bear arms, especially assault weapons is insane...look at the statistics....if you continue to argue this point you should leave the thread, delete your account and then kill yourself...the stats don't lie..they are right there for you to see

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
so you have two ISLANDS, with no neighboring borders that limit guns/prohibit guns.

plenty of illegal guns are in the hands of gang members and ppl all over the country, you think making assualt rifles illegal is all of a sudden going to make them turn them in or throw them away?

if youre pointing to japan and england as an example then you probably are apt to believe that banning all guns is a good way to go. If thats the case you should take your own advice here "delete your account and then kill yourself...the stats don't lie...the stats dont lie"

but your a moronic racists so your logic is undoubtedly flawed

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 02:08:03 PM »
Take away the crime committed by ghetto thugs and out nation has very low crime rates.

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 03:20:11 PM »
well..the best reason is if you look at Japan and england where there are very strict gun laws,..there are practically NO GUN VIOLENCE CRIMES...gun violence costs us a lot in hospital stays, long term rehab, the buying of wheelchairs due to paralysis, and it really hurts men because we are the main victims of gun violence....

in the most recent statistics, England had 14 deaths from firearms...Japan had 47..the United states had 9,369...all of these in the span of one year..anyone who believes that we should have the right to bear arms, especially assault weapons is insane...look at the statistics....if you continue to argue this point you should leave the thread, delete your account and then kill yourself...the stats don't lie..they are right there for you to see

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

How about posting fatal knife attacks that have skyrocketed in England over the past 10 years?  News flash: people are going to kill people if guns are banned or not.

You also ignore the fact that violent crime across the US has been in rapid decline, even in the recession, over the past 15 years.  Without comparing per capita numbers the raw incidents are irrelevant as obviously America will always have more deaths due to population differences.

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 03:27:33 PM »
You also forget the cultural and racial aspects of these statistics....Japan is predominantly mono-cultural and mono-racial and combined with being a developed nation with one of the most highly formal educated populace in the world, of course violent crimes are going to be down.  Gun violence here in the US is largely concentrated within the inner cities between primarily poor blacks and hispanics (gang and drug-related).

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 07:41:02 PM »
so you have two ISLANDS, with no neighboring borders that limit guns/prohibit guns.

plenty of illegal guns are in the hands of gang members and ppl all over the country, you think making assualt rifles illegal is all of a sudden going to make them turn them in or throw them away?

if youre pointing to japan and england as an example then you probably are apt to believe that banning all guns is a good way to go. If thats the case you should take your own advice here "delete your account and then kill yourself...the stats don't lie...the stats dont lie"

but your a moronic racists so your logic is undoubtedly flawed

of course I was waiting for you to use your favorite tactic...deflect by calling names...I try to have decent conversation with you but losers like you don't get it so why bother???...even showing you the hard statistics doesn't sway you at all from your dumbness.....continually calling me a racist...is that all you got????

again it shows you have no critical thinking skills....thanks for continually proving me right on that

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 07:43:49 PM »
How about posting fatal knife attacks that have skyrocketed in England over the past 10 years?  News flash: people are going to kill people if guns are banned or not.

You also ignore the fact that violent crime across the US has been in rapid decline, even in the recession, over the past 15 years.  Without comparing per capita numbers the raw incidents are irrelevant as obviously America will always have more deaths due to population differences.

yes violent crime is in rapid decline..so what?....we are talking about gun deaths here...just look at the stats I posted....there is no way a civilized country should have that many gun deaths.....again compare japan to the U.S. 

Japan 47

United States over 9,000

do you really think that that level of violence is NORMAL?????

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 07:55:30 PM »
of course I was waiting for you to use your favorite tactic...deflect by calling names...I try to have decent conversation with you but losers like you don't get it so why bother???...even showing you the hard statistics doesn't sway you at all from your dumbness.....continually calling me a racist...is that all you got????

again it shows you have no critical thinking skills....thanks for continually proving me right on that
LOL i didnt deflect i answered your idiocy with facts as well...

look at violent crimes for the 3 populations as a whole you dumb ass. Japan doesnt have as violent as a culture as we do.

Look at the knife attacks etc in england and then Im guessing you be advocating the banning of knifes ::)

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2011, 07:58:20 PM »
yes violent crime is in rapid decline..so what?....we are talking about gun deaths here...just look at the stats I posted....there is no way a civilized country should have that many gun deaths.....again compare japan to the U.S. 

Japan 47

United States over 9,000

do you really think that that level of violence is NORMAL?????
our population is much greater than japans...ONE

TWO our cultures are completely different you jack ass, take it from a japanese person. They are not anywhere near as confrontational or violent as we are.

THREE, there is still plenty of violent acts in Japan. Look up knife attacks etc...

How do you think that taking guns away or assualt rifles away is going to help here in the US?

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2011, 08:04:00 PM »
our population is much greater than japans...ONE

TWO our cultures are completely different you jack ass, take it from a japanese person. They are not anywhere near as confrontational or violent as we are.

THREE, there is still plenty of violent acts in Japan. Look up knife attacks etc...

How do you think that taking guns away or assualt rifles away is going to help here in the US?


Of course the cultures are different..that goes without saying....but still the numbers are striking...there is no getting around that or glossing over it....taking away guns will take away some of the impulse to kill.....also you won't be able to kill as many people as you would with an assault rifle

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 08:14:55 PM »
Of course the cultures are different..that goes without saying....but still the numbers are striking...there is no getting around that or glossing over it....taking away guns will take away some of the impulse to kill.....also you won't be able to kill as many people as you would with an assault rifle
LOL taking away guns wont take away the impulse to you kill...WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

7 killed in knife attack in japan.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/09/world/fg-stab9

13 injured in knife attack in japan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12015165

there are reasons behind stats andre and as a person who aspires to be a docter you need to understand that simply b/c you find a number doesnt mean anything. You need to know why the number is what it is.

Knife attacks happen much more frequently in Japan, taking away guns isnt going to limit the impluse to kill only one outlet in which to do so. If someone wants to kill someone they can just as easily pick up a knife.

what constitutes an assualt rifle for you then? One could kill just as many with a hand gun or semi automatic rifle so are you for banning those as well?

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 06:18:14 AM »
Hey andre. - how many murders are committed w semi auto rifles? 

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 06:32:03 AM »
there is no sane reason that anyone needs an assault rifle

Who are you to decide that?

Ever wonder why Europeans are so good at rioting and destroying other people's property? Try to pull that shit over here, and as that developer in LA just showed, you'll be met with an entirely different response.

Statistics have consistently shown that assault weapons constitute 0.2% of all gun crimes.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 06:56:05 AM »
there is no sane reason that anyone needs an assault rifle

You fucking cowardly retard.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 07:52:20 AM »
You fucking cowardly retard.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not


 be infringed.

Andre and douchebags like vince and blackass and benny hate the End amendment cause they fear their fellow element in the hood. 

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2011, 10:56:28 AM »
this will be a great rallying point for repubs in fundraising efforts in 2012.  Finally a quote to point to.  It's almost been the obama mandate to leave gun rights alone.  Some 2nd tier guy mouthing off to win curry with the left base can hurt obama in 2012.  I bet this guy is muzzled quickly and we don't hear a repeat of this - and he might even walk back with "what I meant was..."

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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2011, 02:20:01 PM »
You fucking cowardly retard.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
no one here is a retard you stupid homo fuck..I know the constitution....but I'm quite sure the founding fathers never saw a machine gun or uzi before....I don't think they meant for us to have rocket launchers...all I'm saying is that murder would be much less if there were strict gun control...I am not so much opposed to guns per se, but there is no reason I can think of for a citizen to have an assault rifle or machine gun

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2011, 02:22:19 PM »
Andre and douchebags like vince and blackass and benny hate the End amendment cause they fear their fellow element in the hood. 

actually the fear is on your side....thats your justification for having guns

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Re: Obama Deputy AG - Americans don't need semi auto rifles.
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2011, 03:00:59 PM »
I remember the 92 riots and crown heights.