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CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« on: November 14, 2011, 11:04:03 AM »
Washington (CNN) – A new national survey of Republicans indicates that it's basically all tied up between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich in the race for the GOP presidential nomination, with Gingrich on the rise and businessman Herman Cain falling due to the sexual harassment allegations he's been facing the past two weeks.

According to a CNN/ORC International Poll released Monday, 24% of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP say Romney is their most likely choice for their party's presidential nominee with Gingrich at 22%. Romney's two-point advantage is well within the survey's sampling error.

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While the level of support has pretty much stayed the same for Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who's making his second bid for the White House, Gingrich has seen his support jump 14 points since October.

The poll also indicates that 14 percent back Cain, down 11 points from last month. Four women have alleged that Cain sexually harassed them during the late 1990s when he headed the National Restaurant Association. Cain denies the allegations.
"Cain is struggling with the charges of sexual harassment, and while most Republicans tend to dismiss those charges, roughly four in 10 Republicans think this is a serious matter and tend to believe the women who made those charges," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said.

The survey indicates that only a bare majority of Republicans tend to believe Cain, and more than a third say he should end his presidential campaign. Among the general public, Cain has a bigger credibility problem - 50% of all Americans say they tend to believe the women and only a third say they believe Cain.

"Not surprisingly, there is a big gender gap on this matter - women say this is a serious matter and believe the women, but men say the story has been overblown and are split on which side they believe," Holland added.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry is at 12% in the survey, basically all even with Cain for third place in the hunt for the nomination. Perry was at 13% in CNN's October poll. The new survey was conducted Friday through Sunday, entirely after last Wednesday's presidential debate where Perry suffered an embarrassing "oops" moment when the one-time front-runner struggled for nearly a minute to name the third of three federal agencies he would cut if elected president.

While Perry's overall horse race number has not suffered, dig deeper into the poll and it appears the "oops" moment is hurting his standing with Republican voters. In September, 72% of Republicans said Perry had the right personal qualities to be president. A majority of Republicans still feel that way, but that number has dropped 14 points since September.

According to the poll, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who's making his third run for the presidency, is at 8%, with Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota at 6%, former Utah Gov. and former ambassador to China Jon Huntsman and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania each at 3%, and 8% are unsure.

The poll's Monday release comes seven weeks and one day before the Iowa caucuses, the first contest on the primary and caucus calendar. The survey indicates that just over six in 10 Republicans say they may change their minds, with 31% say they will definitely support the candidate they are currently backing.

With Cain dropping and Perry flat-lining, it looks like it's Gingrich's turn to become the "anybody but Romney" candidate. If the GOP race becomes a two-man battle between Romney and Gingrich, the poll indicates they are well-matched. Romney and Gingrich are the two most popular Republican candidates among the GOP rank and file, and the only two with favorable ratings above 50% among the Republicans surveyed.

More than three-quarters of Republicans think both men have the right personal qualities to be president and more than seven in 10 Republicans say they agree with Gingrich and Romney on important issues.

The key difference between Romney and Gingrich is electability. For the first time in CNN's polling, Romney now tops Barack Obama in a head-to-head matchup among registered voters. But Gingrich faces an 8-point deficit when paired with Obama in a general election matchup.

"Among all Americans, 58% say that Romney has the personal qualities a president should have, compared to just 45% for Gingrich. Most Americans don't agree with either man on important issues," Holland said.

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International, with 1,036 adults Americans, including 480 Republicans and Independents who lean Republican, as well as 552 men and 514 women, questioned by telephone. The overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points, with a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points for questions only of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP.



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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 11:10:01 AM »
'The poll also indicates that 14 percent back Cain, down 11 points from last month.'

getbiggers declared this would only HELP cain, and that he would skyrocket in the polls.

Clearly, this and all polls like it are flawed.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 11:11:37 AM »
The fat lady hasn't sang just yet. Cain is still in a close second in the PPP poll and leading in the Politico/GWU/Battleground poll.

Courtesy of RCP:

National President
CNN/Opinion Research
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Romney  24
Cain  14
Gingrich  22
Perry  12
Paul  8
Bachmann  6
Santorum  3
Huntsman  3

Romney +2.0
 

National President
PPP (D)
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Romney  18
Cain  25
Gingrich  28
Perry  6
Paul  5
Bachmann  5
Santorum  1
Huntsman  3

Gingrich +3.0
 

National President
Politico/GWU/Battleground
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Romney  25
Cain  27
Gingrich  14
Perry  14
Paul  5
Bachmann  2
Santorum  2
Huntsman  0

Cain +2.0

 
Newt's resurgence has much to do with the recent debate, coupled with Cain's pedestrian performance there and these allegations on him.


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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 11:15:42 AM »

Despite the sexual harassment allegations against GOP presidential nominee Herman Cain, the Georgia republican still leads rival Mitt Romney in the latest POLITICO/George Washington University/Battleground Poll released on Monday.

“It does appear that the stories are certainly hurting him,” said Ed Goeas, of national Republican polling firm The Tarrance Group, which helped conduct the bipartisan poll. “As this moves forward, I think it does become more and more a deal-breaker,” Goeas said as quoted in POLITICO.




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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 11:50:11 AM »
Blackass - if its cain v maobama who you voting for? 

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 11:53:42 AM »
cains all done

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 12:53:42 PM »
So far, Cain has revealed himself to be a more-white version of Michael Steele. 

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 03:54:00 PM »
michael steele, for all his gaffes, would be wrrecking cain in the polls right now.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 04:08:39 PM »
how many front runners have their been now?

something like 4 or 5?

I honestly don't know why Repubs don't give Huntsman a chance.

He's got a bunch of foreign policy experience, business experience and was a governor.

He doesn't have any of the baggage that Romney has and I believe he would be the best challenger to Obama in both the debates and the election


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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2011, 07:34:34 PM »
huntsman doesn't scream, froth at the mouth, pose with guns, or accuse obama of being kenyan.

repub voters love that shit.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 07:43:47 PM »
huntsman doesn't scream, froth at the mouth, pose with guns, or accuse obama of being kenyan.

repub voters love that shit.


Why not?   Obama is a Kenyan born commie thug.     What's to lose pointing it out? 

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2011, 07:48:37 PM »

Why not?   Obama is a Kenyan born commie thug.     What's to lose pointing it out? 

moderate voters.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2011, 08:24:17 PM »
moderate voters.

Moderate voters are pretty much done with Obama. He's bleeding independents by the truckloads.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2011, 08:29:11 PM »

Why not?   Obama is a Kenyan born commie thug.     What's to lose pointing it out? 

credibility as a sane person

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2011, 08:41:26 PM »
Moderate voters are pretty much done with Obama. He's bleeding independents by the truckloads.

then why is he still just about tied in every poll with mittens, and leading perry/cain?

he sitll has a lot of moderates.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2011, 04:05:34 AM »
then why is he still just about tied in every poll with mittens, and leading perry/cain?

he sitll has a lot of moderates.

A lot of those moderates are undecideds and, usually in elections, about 80% of those go against the incumbent.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2011, 05:21:51 AM »
A lot of those moderates are undecideds and, usually in elections, about 80% of those go against the incumbent.

good point.

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2011, 07:44:17 AM »
A lot of those moderates are undecideds and, usually in elections, about 80% of those go against the incumbent.

where did you pull that statistic from?


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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2011, 08:16:39 AM »
where did you pull that statistic from?



Dick Morris cites this stat on a regular basis, as have other political pundits and sites, including this one:

http://www.pollingreport.com/incumbent.htm

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2011, 08:21:21 AM »
Dick Morris cites this stat on a regular basis, as have other political pundits and sites, including this one:

http://www.pollingreport.com/incumbent.htm

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This article appeared in the February 27, 1989, edition of The Polling Report.

Ok - I'll ignore Dick Morris but a polling report from 1989

how is that relevent in this election when we have bunch of Repub candidates that even their own party does not want


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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2011, 08:24:17 AM »
HEY IT'S ONLY 22 YEARS OLD ;D

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2011, 08:24:24 AM »
Ok - I'll ignore Dick Morris but a polling report from 1989

how is that relevent in this election when we have bunch of Repub candidates that even their own party does not want



It's relevant in the general election. For example, in the 2004 election, 90% of the undecideds went to John Kerry (though, it wasn't enough for him to win).

And, unless you have some numbers to the contrary, I'll stick with those (and let the cowardly one, Blacken, continue to make a fool of himself).

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2011, 08:26:50 AM »
It's relevant in the general election.

says who?

oh yeah I forgot, Dick Morris

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2011, 08:29:00 AM »
says who?

oh yeah I forgot, Dick Morris

 ::)


Says THIS GUY....as well as Dick Morris:

An Electoral Vote Forecast Formula: Simulation or Meta-analysis Not Required

Richard Charnin

Oct. 31, 2011

It’s very surprising that election forecasting blogs and academics who use the latest state polls as input to their models don’t apply basic probability, statistics and simulation concepts in forecasting the electoral vote and corresponding win probabilities.

A meta-analysis or simulation is not required to calculate the expected electoral vote. Of course the individual state projections will depend on the forecasting method used. But the projection method is not the main issue here; it’s how the associated win probabilities are used to calculate the expected EV, win probability and frequency distribution.

Calculating the expected electoral vote is a three-step process:
1. Project the 2-party vote share V(i) for each state(i) as the sum of the poll share PS(i) and the undecided voter allocation UVA(i):
V(i)= PS(i) + UVA(i)

2. Calculate the probability P(i) of winning state (i) given the margin of error (95% confidence):
P(i) = NORMDIST (V(i), 0.5, MoE/1.96, true)

3. Calculate the total expected electoral vote EV as the sum:
EV = ∑ P(i) * EV(i), for i = 1,51

The 2004 Election Model allocated 75% of the undecided vote to Kerry and projected that he would have 337 electoral votes (99% win probability) with a 51.8% two-party vote share. The unadjusted, pristine state exit poll aggregate provided by exit pollsters Edison-Mitofsky 3 months after the election indicated that Kerry won 52.0% of the vote with an identical 337 electoral votes.

http://richardcharnin.com/ElectionModel.htm

The challenger is expected to win the majority (60-90% UVA) of the undecided vote, depending on incumbent job performance. Gallup allocated 90% of undecided voters to Kerry in their final projection, pollsters Zogby and Harris: 75-80%. The National Exit Poll indicated that 65% of undecided voters broke for Kerry. Bush had a 48% approval rating on Election Day 2004.

After calculating the individual state probabilities, we can calculate the EV win probability. The best, most straightforward method is Monte Carlo simulation. This technique is widely used in many different applications when an analytical solution is prohibitive and is perfectly suited for calculating the EV win probability. The Election Model uses a 5000 election trial simulation. The win probability is the total number of winning election trials/5000.

The average electoral vote is calculated for the 5000 election trials. Of course, the average will only be an approximation to the theoretical value based on the summation formula. But the Law of Large Numbers (LLN) applies: the EV average and median are usually within one or two electoral votes of the theoretical mean. The close match between the Monte Carlo EV simulation average, median and theoretical expected mean is proof that 5000 election trials are more than sufficient. Meta-Analysis is an unnecessarily complex method and overkill for calculating the expected Electoral Vote when it can be calculated by the simple summation formula given above.

Princeton Professor Wang’s EV estimator is an unnecessarily complex method and overkill for calculating the expected Electoral Vote. His Meta-analysis projected that Kerry would win 311 electoral votes and had a 98% win probability. But he was wrong to suggest that Bush won the undecided vote as an explanation for why his forecast was “wrong”. Just like AAPOR, the media pundits and political scientists, Wang never considered that Election Fraud was the cause. But overwhelming statistical and other documented evidence indicates that the election was stolen, just like it was in 2000.
http://election.princeton.edu/code/matlab/EV_estimator.m
http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/pollcalc.html

The 2008 Election Model includes a sensitivity (risk) analysis of five Obama undecided voter (UVA) scenario assumptions ranging from 40-80%, with 60% as the base case. This enables one to view the effects of the UVA factor variable on the expected electoral vote and win probability. Electoral vote forecasting models which do not provide a risk factor sensitivity analysis are incomplete.


http://www.richardcharnin.com/2008ElectionModel.htm

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Re: CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2011, 08:30:07 AM »
when you get your news from rush and dick this is what you have to fall on :D :D