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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #100 on: November 16, 2011, 03:40:20 PM »
Bro, I think America is a good country at present and contribute a great deal of good things globaly, but like I said at the present. Seriously don't fall for this horseshit propaganda that nuking civilians was the only way, no one currently serving in the military as a senior officer world wide will agree with you. Miliatary is abuot honour and glory not demonic acts based on a few assholes who couldn't wait to try out there knew technology like some 6 year old who can't wait to play with his new toy.

"the only way to end the war'' you bought that line. Trigger happy Pre-madonnas is all this was, it was a massacre and against every the geneva convention stands for, it was war crimes against humanity and against every military principle since the greco-roman days.

If it would have cost more lives, the lives would have been soldiers not civilians and not innocent old ladies and infant babies, it would have been men that have been sworn in have voluntarly agrred to die  and experience the horrors of war

.......but like I said the US today would never do that and has become a great nation

I appreciate your response, but I think your bolded part above is too simple an explanation of what happened.

First, you have to take into consideration the context at the time - the US had already endured over 400,000 casualties, so the tolerance for sacrificing more American lives at that point was problably extremely low.  It wasn't about civilian vs military - it was about American vs the country that attacked them.   Honor and glory doesn't hold up here - there were no style points at this time, only getting the thing over with.

But that's not the main point I want to discuss.  I did not, as you say, "fall for propaganda bullshit".  I am drawing my conclusion based what happend.  And what happened was that the US dropped an atomic bomb on Japan, and they didn't surrender.  They had to do it twice for Japan to give up.

So, if a nuclear bomb was not enough to get Japan to stop fighting, what do you believe would have?  I'm seriously asking.  If you have concrete information that suggests alternate, feasible, realistic plans outside of the bomb were available and ready to go, please share.  You may be a WW2 history buff and know a bunch of things that I do not.  But, based on what I typed above, I'm having a hard time believing it existed.
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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #101 on: November 16, 2011, 03:58:26 PM »
I appreciate your response, but I think your bolded part above is too simple an explanation of what happened.

First, you have to take into consideration the context at the time - the US had already endured over 400,000 casualties, so the tolerance for sacrificing more American lives at that point was problably extremely low.  It wasn't about civilian vs military - it was about American vs the country that attacked them.   Honor and glory doesn't hold up here - there were no style points at this time, only getting the thing over with.

But that's not the main point I want to discuss.  I did not, as you say, "fall for propaganda bullshit".  I am drawing my conclusion based what happend.  And what happened was that the US dropped an atomic bomb on Japan, and they didn't surrender.  They had to do it twice for Japan to give up.

So, if a nuclear bomb was not enough to get Japan to stop fighting, what do you believe would have?  I'm seriously asking.  If you have concrete information that suggests alternate, feasible, realistic plans outside of the bomb were available and ready to go, please share.  You may be a WW2 history buff and know a bunch of things that I do not.  But, based on what I typed above, I'm having a hard time believing it existed.
Yes I agree in this case the enemy had no honour or glory and they were acting barbaric and there civilians paid for it, but if the entire scenerio played out in the same manner the US of today would not take that approach, they would simply invade the country just like they did Irag, the honourable way, not use a weapon of mass-destruction that can lead to nuclear- holcucost and bring us back to the barbaric ages.

If we are playing a game of numbers, I would agree with you, but my mind has been set on military history since I was young, have practically memorized the entire Sun Tzu and all I am saying is that many war stories have endured the test of time some cassic battles include the Peleponesian wars, general Barkus and Carthage vs Romans, Nepoleon vs the Duke of Wellington, and general Patton's third Army, these are stories that will be enjoyed despite the horrors that occured, and the atomic bombs dropped on Japen will always be viewed as a shameful act and probably 1 of the worst if not the worst atrocity commited to man kind makes general Custer look like an angel, The headlines in the US at the time didn't outline this but since then the headlines across the entire world in over 200 countries have condemned this act. If you travel to foreign countries and asked the average historian of this act, he or she utterly discusted by it, this cannot be denied.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2011, 10:50:47 PM »
Please shut the fuck up about topics you know nothing about (i.e. everything). So you think the US isn't approving of a sternly-worded letter of condemnation for Syria?  ::)

The UN is the most wasteful, corrupt and incompetent organization on the planet and the US has no purpose being in it. Not only that, but we're on the hook for over $6 billion a year (~23% of its yearly operating budget, Japan is responsible for another ~11-13%) despite the fact that there are 196 nations in it.

Like the League of Nations when the dictators, despots and tyrants became the majority, the UN has outlived its purpose.

THIS IS VERY SIMPLE..

THE U.N. CAN NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT U.S. APPROVAL.

THE U.S. CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS WITHOUT U.N. APPROVAL.

THE U.N. IS THE ONE ORGANIZATION ON THE PLANET WHERE WORLD COOPERATION IS POSSIBLE. 

6 BILLION DOLLARS IS 1/500TH OF OUR YEARLY BUDGET.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #103 on: November 17, 2011, 01:06:16 PM »
THIS IS VERY SIMPLE..

THE U.N. CAN NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT U.S. APPROVAL.

THE U.S. CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS WITHOUT U.N. APPROVAL.

THE U.N. IS THE ONE ORGANIZATION ON THE PLANET WHERE WORLD COOPERATION IS POSSIBLE. 

6 BILLION DOLLARS IS 1/500TH OF OUR YEARLY BUDGET.




World cooperation is not possible in the UN, in fact they fight over just defining terms and other minutia.  Doubt you could even derive a consensus for what constitutes need.  It's a decadent waste and time to go.  Our 6 billion would be better spent on our people.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #104 on: November 17, 2011, 03:56:56 PM »
THIS IS VERY SIMPLE..

THE U.N. CAN NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT U.S. APPROVAL.

THE U.S. CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS WITHOUT U.N. APPROVAL.

THE U.N. IS THE ONE ORGANIZATION ON THE PLANET WHERE WORLD COOPERATION IS POSSIBLE. 

6 BILLION DOLLARS IS 1/500TH OF OUR YEARLY BUDGET.



The UN is amazing, guys! 4,000 dead in Syria and they can’t even agree on THE WORDING IN A LETTER CONDEMNING ASSAD.


Nice meltdown, you thieving crackhead community college student. Fact of the matter is that voting records have shown that almost every country outside of Britain and Israel votes against the US more often than they vote with it. These are the same countries that we shell out billions of dollars to every year on top of our UN financing.

The UN has more authoritarian states as members than it does democracies. It is a corrupt, wasteful and incredibly incompetent organization whose authoritarian members use its venue as means to demonize the US in an attempt to cover up for their own lack of basic human rights and brutality. The UN gives a forum for free speech to the same people who actively work to squash it in their own countries. That is the epitome of hypocrisy.

The fact that the UN Human Rights Council, which sets human rights policy for the organization, has such egregious violators of human rights like Saudi Arabia, China, Pakistan, (formerly) Libya and (proposed) Syria as members says all that needs to be said about that pathetic excuse for an organization. Also keep in mind that this is the second attempt at a human rights council as the last one ended up packed with human rights-violating dictatorships and devolved into nothing more than a US/Israel bash-fest.

I’m not even going to get topics like how every UN peacekeeping mission (which is always a day late and a dollar short, by the way) usually does more harm than good. Gang rapes, extrajudicial killings and spreading of foreign disease are the norm for UN peacekeepers. Doing their job? Not so much.

One of the best things about Ron Paul is that he knows the UN is waging a war on US sovereignty and will eventually remove us from that abomination of an organization.

There is no purpose for the USA to be in the UN and it benefits us in no way. We know who our allies are and the billions of dollars we spend on it every year while every country and their mother bashes us on the side can be better spent elsewhere. We rightfully defunded the politically-motivated UNESCO two weeks ago. That was a great first step. Next up is defunding the entire organization.



Nice caps-lock meltdown by the way, kid. This isn’t your community college class where showing up gets you an “A” and screaming at the top of your lungs at the Chinese TA isn't going to get you anywhere.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #105 on: November 18, 2011, 11:08:25 AM »
Who are we kidding people, Iran already has many nukes. Hell Bill Gates probably has a suit case nuke behind a hidden wall in his library.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #106 on: November 18, 2011, 01:38:45 PM »

Yes, UN would be better without it's most aggressive and corrupt member, USA.

No question about it. Then other, civilized countries could at least effectively cooperate and strengthen their relations!

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2011, 02:03:50 PM »
Yes, UN would be better without it's most aggressive and corrupt member, USA.

No question about it. Then other, civilized countries could at least effectively cooperate and strengthen their relations!

x2 and Palestine would be a country by now!  Sanctions on Israel, no trade with those demons!!!
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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #108 on: November 18, 2011, 04:16:07 PM »
Yes, UN would be better without it's most aggressive and corrupt member, USA.

No question about it. Then other, civilized countries could at least effectively cooperate and strengthen their relations!

Bahahaha, as if. And who will fund it? The US currently funds 1/4 of its annual budget with Japan picking up another 13%. So that's 2 countries funding almost 40% of the entire organization, despite there being 196 member states. You deadbeat EU countries are even more broke than the US is so it certainly won't be you guys picking up the slack.

When the US leaves the UN it will quickly crumble behind us.  :)



You are an atrocious troll, by the way. How many hours every day do you spend talking about America and praising Russia? Someone needs a new hobby.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2011, 08:26:08 PM »
Bahahaha, as if. And who will fund it? The US currently funds 1/4 of its annual budget with Japan picking up another 13%. So that's 2 countries funding almost 40% of the entire organization, despite there being 196 member states. You deadbeat EU countries are even more broke than the US is so it certainly won't be you guys picking up the slack.

When the US leaves the UN it will quickly crumble behind us.  :)



You are an atrocious troll, by the way. How many hours every day do you spend talking about America and praising Russia? Someone needs a new hobby.

it would be great if the UN never existed, that would mean Israel wouldn't exist and the Jews would have had to pull themselves up by there boot straps and get on with life.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2011, 08:46:03 PM »
It's obvious that you don't like the jews, but the birth of UN was after ww2 and Isreal has survived for 3000 years with every race known to man trying to exterminate them, not taking sides, just saying

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2011, 09:22:13 PM »
It's obvious that you don't like the jews, but the birth of UN was after ww2 and Isreal has survived for 3000 years with every race known to man trying to exterminate them, not taking sides, just saying

Modern day Israel wouldn't exist, the Israel that took Palestinian land, Israel with state of the art weapons, etc etc, free money flowing in from US, it would just be a place were mostly Palestinians lived, because it was their land at that time, then the Jew invaders came with a pity party to boot from the UN.  Jew's never earned it, they got it through pure pity, they are targeted for extermination because of their actions, people hate them around the world for a reason.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #112 on: November 19, 2011, 04:23:48 AM »
Modern day Israel wouldn't exist, the Israel that took Palestinian land, Israel with state of the art weapons, etc etc, free money flowing in from US, it would just be a place were mostly Palestinians lived, because it was their land at that time, then the Jew invaders came with a pity party to boot from the UN.  Jew's never earned it, they got it through pure pity, they are targeted for extermination because of their actions, people hate them around the world for a reason.


oh I see, you mean Israel, the state, wouldn't exist, as in maybe the Palestinan's would control the entire region. Man is that region ever going to know piece?

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #113 on: November 19, 2011, 06:12:49 AM »
Modern day Israel wouldn't exist, the Israel that took Palestinian land, Israel with state of the art weapons, etc etc, free money flowing in from US, it would just be a place were mostly Palestinians lived, because it was their land at that time, then the Jew invaders came with a pity party to boot from the UN.  Jew's never earned it, they got it through pure pity, they are targeted for extermination because of their actions, people hate them around the world for a reason.



Your joking right...any grasp of history. U ragheads are sooo worthless.
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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #114 on: November 19, 2011, 06:29:51 AM »
x2 and Palestine would be a country by now!  Sanctions on Israel, no trade with those demons!!!

The world laughs at Palestine. You have been melting down now for 5 years. You will always be Israel's bitch.  

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #115 on: November 19, 2011, 07:43:07 AM »
What a bunch of scare tactics and lies do you people believe?  Iran is a peaceful country if you compare them to the US.  Iran with nuclear weapons would keep that drawn on the map Israel in check from killing innocent Palestinian civilians.



Yeah, whatever you say slick...

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #116 on: November 19, 2011, 07:45:42 AM »
oh I see, you mean Israel, the state, wouldn't exist, as in maybe the Palestinan's would control the entire region. Man is that region ever going to know piece?

No. They hate each other as much as they hate Israel and the US. We're just the convenient scapegoat for their leaders. The Arabs and Persians have been fighting each other for thousands of years.

it would be great if the UN never existed, that would mean Israel wouldn't exist and the Jews would have had to pull themselves up by there boot straps and get on with life.



Boring gimmick.

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #117 on: November 19, 2011, 07:46:58 AM »
oh I see, you mean Israel, the state, wouldn't exist, as in maybe the Palestinan's would control the entire region. Man is that region ever going to know piece?

don't think so.  As long as Israel is a state their will never be peace, it is stolen land, and no one who has something stolen from them is going to be ok with living next to the thief.

Yeah, whatever you say slick...

So are you scared that North Korea and Pakistan have nukes?  What is the difference.  Iran may talk a lot of talk, but when have they backed up their talk?  On the other hand you have the USA, the only country to use nuclear weapons(on civilians), shouldn't the USA look at itself and ask are we qualified to have nuclear weapons?

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #118 on: November 19, 2011, 07:56:05 AM »
it would be great if the UN never existed, that would mean Israel wouldn't exist and the Jews would have had to pull themselves up by there boot straps and get on with life.





But that's not the way history went down.  ha, loser.


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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #119 on: November 19, 2011, 07:58:31 AM »
Once the world gets off oil, Muslims will fade into the ashes of history. When that happens, I give it less than six months until they're killing each other in full out war as no oil = no means of supporting their populace. What are they going to export? Sand?

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #120 on: November 19, 2011, 12:52:06 PM »
You keep saying Israel stole the land, but Israel was the owner of that land Between 1000BC- to 550 BC, ya I know it was a long time ago, but coming back to claim the land isn't exactly stealing it

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #121 on: November 19, 2011, 01:57:38 PM »

You are an atrocious troll, by the way. How many hours every day do you spend talking about America and praising Russia? Someone needs a new hobby.

Well... it's kind of part of my hobby; studying world politics. Very interesting. It's like passion for me. No trolling at all  :-*
I think that's not the worst hobby one can have  :)

(Plus you have mistaken something. Finland, my country, is among the most financially strong European countries. )


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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #122 on: November 19, 2011, 02:32:12 PM »
Well... it's kind of part of my hobby; studying world politics. Very interesting. It's like passion for me. No trolling at all  :-*
I think that's not the worst hobby one can have  :)

(Plus you have mistaken something. Finland, my country, is among the most financially strong European countries. )



You study world politics? Good joke. You're borderline retarded and almost as bad of a troll as Jtsunami.

And Finland is a Euro country. There is nothing financially strong about it. Wait until the PIIGS start defaulting (and they will default).  :)

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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #123 on: November 19, 2011, 02:46:25 PM »
This guy is a Fin and loves Russia...what kind of retard are you.
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Re: Iran being demonized by US media
« Reply #124 on: November 19, 2011, 04:05:20 PM »
You keep saying Israel stole the land, but Israel was the owner of that land Between 1000BC- to 550 BC, ya I know it was a long time ago, but coming back to claim the land isn't exactly stealing it

Yeah they did, and before then someone else owned it, car's transfer ownership, so Israel can just waltz in on the Palestinians land and setup shop?  If you sell your house, then you want to move back in 5 years later do you think the owners would be ok with that?

Bottom line is the UN gave the Jew's and made Israel a state out of pity, it is a pity state, pure and simple, stolen land of the people living on it, everyday they steal more with settlements.



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