Roland Cziurlok & Toney Freeman 4 weeks out from 2011 IFBB Pro World Masters

[DroppingPlates]

He has more muscle maturity today.

or call it "retired muscle"

[jude2]

Dex and Toney will run this show.

Along with Ed Nunn that should be the top 3.

[slate]

wasn't this guy supposed to be GH15?

looks he has had enough time on his hands, even if it is certainly a team effort

[20inch calves]

roland looks good actually. but his arms look like the have suffered tears. other than that i hope i look half as good at his age

[20inch calves]

Along with Ed Nunn that should be the top 3.

oh yeah. i forgot about nunn. its kind of unfair..the guy just turned pro a few years ago. i didn't realize he was even 40. but he was like 36 when he turned pro according to gh15 guys in there late 30-40's can't make improvements..i guess he was wrong

[wes]

according to gh15 guys in there late 30-40's can't make improvements..i guess he was wrong

Yes he was wrong again............anyone can improve at any age if they are dedicated to doing so.

[Secret Stack]

according to gh15 guys in there late 30-40's can't make improvements..i guess he was wrong

yeah *wink wink* only to fail 

if you would keep reading any post he has mentioned that, you will find the words "without growth hormone", which is absolutely correct.

roland is using more NOW than he was in his prime just to display what you see here in these pics!

[gh15]

thank god some fellas read what i write and able to comprhend it ,,secret stack is one of them

gh15 approved

[20inch calves]

yeah *wink wink* only to fail 

if you would keep reading any post he has mentioned that, you will find the words "without growth hormone", which is absolutely correct.

roland is using more NOW than he was in his prime just to display what you see here in these pics!

not true. i don't have time to read all of his posts but i gh has said a it is all down hill...in so many words for a bber in his late 30's early 40's. its really the only major thing i disagree with. i feel like the majority of what gh says

[The Grim Lifter]

I can't be bothered following this, can Chick let us know who will win?

[wes]

yeah *wink wink* only to fail 

if you would keep reading any post he has mentioned that, you will find the words "without growth hormone", which is absolutely correct.

roland is using more NOW than he was in his prime just to display what you see here in these pics!

I wouldn`t doubt that he`s using more,but you can see that he has torn his arms up or some fucking thing,as they have atrophied bigtime.

He probably also hasn`t trained hard or if at all in many years until recently.

He also looks as if he has/had a drinking and recreational drug problem,but who knows.

[wes]

thank god some fellas read what i write and able to comprhend it ,,secret stack is one of them

gh15 approved

Are you seriously saying that a decent bodybuilder,(not a pro),that is over 30 or 40 years old might as well give up training as he can longer progress?

I sincerely hope you are not serious with this statement.

[gh15]

Are you seriously saying that a decent bodybuilder,(not a pro),that is over 30 or 40 years old might as well give up training as he can longer progress?

I sincerely hope you are not serious with this statement.

if no gh in blood? yes ,, hang the shoes you will never see improvments ,,gh is the reason for bodybuild past age 35 ,, infact past 32...but i give you 3 years ot twilight zone to face how much yuo need gh ,,\

gh is everything,, you cant get no where in competetive bodybuild with no gh ,, and in the gymnasium? why woudl you train with no gh? you cant look impressive,, you may look 170 ripped 180 190 ripped but....you just wotn hit no 200lb ripped with out gh ,, and today if you are not 200lb in good condition then you are playing in kindergarden,, im for bodybuild i like the smaller fellas 140 160 ,, but in reality in today world....fellas dont even look at you unless you are 190+ 5'10 conditioned,, that mean 5'7 170... if you are under no one even look at you

gh15 approved

[wes]

if no gh in blood? yes ,, hang the shoes you will never see improvments ,,gh is the reason for bodybuild past age 35 ,, infact past 32...but i give you 3 years ot twilight zone to face how much yuo need gh ,,\

gh is everything,, you cant get no where in competetive bodybuild with no gh ,, and in the gymnasium? why woudl you train with no gh? you cant look impressive,, you may look 170 ripped 180 190 ripped but....you just wotn hit no 200lb ripped with out gh ,, and today if you are not 200lb in good condition then you are playing in kindergarden,, im for bodybuild i like the smaller fellas 140 160 ,, but in reality in today world....fellas dont even look at you unless you are 190+ 5'10 conditioned,, that mean 5'7 170... if you are under no one even look at you

gh15 approved

I`m not talking about in relation to bodyweight,I`m talking about making improvement.......though it wouldn`t/shouldn`t matter much what the person in question weighs.

I guess you don`t know everything after all.

[Dr Dutch]

I`m not talking about in relation to bodyweight,I`m talking about making improvement.......though it wouldn`t/shouldn`t matter much what the person in question weighs.

I guess you don`t know everything after all.

  you dare saying that to gh15.....

[gh15]

no improvment past age 35 no matter how much you work ,, try ,, want,, even if you are only bodybuild and sleep and live on a fat lucy rich granny,, wont matter ,, when you get to age 35 your body say bye bye friend im going ,, you try to stop it ,, you first deny it ,, then you hate everyone,, then you feel bad for yourself,, then you go on boarding ask for advice ,, and final step is...you call the trusted supplier and write him or her  a nice story telling them to send you something fast fast because you are really like bodybuilding and you are very special eventhough the supplier is sick like a dog and ask to give him few days to become human again...no one care,, they all want to be bodybuild at any age especialy over 35 now days lol

gh15 approved

[wes]

no improvment past age 35 no matter how much you work ,, try ,, want,, even if you are only bodybuild and sleep and live on a fat lucy rich granny,, wont matter ,, when you get to age 35 your body say bye bye friend im going ,, you try to stop it ,, you first deny it ,, then you hate everyone,, then you feel bad for yourself,, then you go on boarding ask for advice ,, and final step is...you call the trusted supplier and write him or her  a nice story telling them to send you something fast fast because you are really like bodybuilding and you are very special eventhough the supplier is sick like a dog and ask to give him few days to become human again...no one care,, they all want to be bodybuild at any age especialy over 35 now days lol

gh15 approved

Over-30 or 40 on juice,training hard and consistantly,eating 6-8 X a day,doing cardio religously,and getting ample sleep/rest.............but no GH involved.........still no progress?

[wes]

  you dare saying that to gh15.....

Oops..........I wasn`t thinking when I typed that !! 

[gh15]

Over-30 or 40 on juice,training hard and consistantly,eating 6-8 X a day,doing cardio religously,and getting ample sleep/rest.............but no GH involved.........still no progress?

corect,, no progress,, th eprogress wil be in your mental ,, from being half as to being sharp for comeptition ,, but if you take pictures,, take close digi pictrues you will see you are exactly where you were before at your best with out gh ....this is not progress,, progres is gong from 194lb on stage to 204 lb on stage and be same bodyfat...progress is the way your bud bud ron heris ....decided to add trenbolona to an already hgh stack and improve upon it so he can go on stage and look like he lift weights.. and can do heavy weight,,

trust me i dont say it for the shock and awe of my word,, i wish what i said was not true but  it is

gh15 approved

[wes]

corect,, no progress,, th eprogress wil be in your mental ,, from being half as to being sharp for comeptition ,, but if you take pictures,, take close digi pictrues you will see you are exactly where you were before at your best with out gh ....this is not progress,, progres is gong from 194lb on stage to 204 lb on stage and be same bodyfat...progress is the way your bud bud ron heris ....decided to add trenbolona to an already hgh stack and improve upon it so he can go on stage and look like he lift weights.. and can do heavy weight,,

trust me i dont say it for the shock and awe of my word,, i wish what i said was not true but  it is

gh15 approved

I met Ron Harris,but just to clarify,I don`t know him well.

I`m not trying to be an asshole,but I think going from 194-204 is quite possible using gear alone.

If you are correct,then everyone who is not willing to use Growth Hormone should just take up checkers or play darts or some shit. 

[Dr Dutch]

1st pic: back then 
2nd pic: 2001
3rd pic: 2011   

[gh15]

if the bodybuilder is 38? ,,umm yes! he shoudl take chekers because he wil have better chance to win in it than in bodybuild,, yes you can have decent physiqe with out hgh ...but it will not be breathign lean tissue from the inside out like a 23 year old,, and theose 23 year old are the prime of bodybuild 23 26 28...all of the fellass who become 30 + they lose a lot alot of what they had in their 20s...and bodybuild is the crulest of them all ,, the punishment in bodybuild are DISASTEROUS,, you realy lose a lot...so thank to growth hormone bodybuild got life extension and not only that...but bodybuild that is 40 can be now day 20! both look ! and performance due to hgh in blood

hgh = diamond ,, actualy bodybuild will take it over diamond promise you that

gh15 approved

[wes]

if the bodybuilder is 38? ,,umm yes! he shoudl take chekers because he wil have better chance to win in it than in bodybuild,, yes you can have decent physiqe with out hgh ...but it will not be breathign lean tissue from the inside out like a 23 year old,, and theose 23 year old are the prime of bodybuild 23 26 28...all of the fellass who become 30 + they lose a lot alot of what they had in their 20s...and bodybuild is the crulest of them all ,, the punishment in bodybuild are DISASTEROUS,, you realy lose a lot...so thank to growth hormone bodybuild got life extension and not only that...but bodybuild that is 40 can be now day 20! both look ! and performance due to hgh in blood

hgh = diamond ,, actualy bodybuild will take it over diamond promise you that

gh15 approved

Thanks!! 

[littleguns]

no one has seen Roland's wheels either.....I loved Roland's physique back in the day and thought he could do damage but Samir Bannout had a better shot and no one has seen what he looks like yet...

[Figo]

So samir is doing this show for sure?