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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2011, 09:13:29 AM »
LoL , you see a pretty and cute guy, I see an NFL legend that works hard, plays tuff, and will be a first Ballet Hall of famer.
Thread is about who is Bette then Aaron Rogers not who is better looking, but I'd u wanna go there please tell us Groink who is the sexiest QB in the NFL?

It's Tom Brady now fuck off. No one comes close.....oops :-X
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2011, 09:14:02 AM »
these fag.gots today and their "pitch counts" and "quality starts", pussies today go 6 innings and throw 99 pitches and they're looking to the dugout to be taken out, prior to the 1980's pitchers just assumed theyd be going the full 9 innings unless something catastrophic happened.

That argument hurts Ruth.  He got to face a pitcher who didn't have it on any certain day 4-5 times, and never had to face specialty relievers with arsenals of different pitches.
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2011, 09:16:06 AM »
That argument hurts Ruth.  He got to face a pitcher who didn't have it on any certain day 4-5 times, and never had to face specialty relievers with arsenals of different pitches.
hed have still smashed these clowns to bits, hes the greatest hittng talent ever, no question about it and he also won 100 games as a dominating pitcher before he was forced away from it.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2011, 09:30:09 AM »
hed have still smashed these clowns to bits, hes the greatest hittng talent ever, no question about it and he also won 100 games as a dominating pitcher before he was forced away from it.

He may be, but it's not a slam dunk argument.
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2011, 09:30:43 AM »
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2011, 09:34:16 AM »
LOL @ Babe Ruth or any oompa loompa white being the greatest when the NEGRO wasn't playing...

A fucking joke really and not even argueable....
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2011, 09:55:24 AM »
LOL @ Babe Ruth or any oompa loompa white being the greatest when the NEGRO wasn't playing...

A fucking joke really and not even argueable....
speaking of Oompa Loompa's.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2011, 10:02:36 AM »
mickey Mantle could have been the greatest ever, if not for his knee and major drinking problem.

they said he had the speed of a black player before his injury.

and forarms like lee priest


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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2011, 10:04:26 AM »
I recently went to the hall of fame and saw that A-ROD's name is at the top of almost every record in the game. I never really realized his name was so high up with the all time greats. However his lack of post season production really kills him.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2011, 10:36:53 AM »
these fag.gots today and their "pitch counts" and "quality starts", pussies today go 6 innings and throw 99 pitches and they're looking to the dugout to be taken out, prior to the 1980's pitchers just assumed theyd be going the full 9 innings unless something catastrophic happened.

Exactly...now in the 7th inning of a tie game..instead of the hitter seeing a tiring pitcher for the fourth time....now he sees a lefty specialist ..fresh off the bench, brought in just to get HIM out

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2011, 10:44:09 AM »
Exactly...now in the 7th inning of a tie game..instead of the hitter seeing a tiring pitcher for the fourth time....now he sees a lefty specialist ..fresh off the bench, brought in just to get HIM out
that's why hitting 400 is out of the question,,,

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2011, 10:49:32 AM »
Correct, which is why when comparing players of different eras, it's better to look a players deviation from  league averages at the time, rather than raw numbers.   This makes Ruth look even better.

Pure skill and the development of the game is different, which I think you're trying to show.  In that regards, yes, Ruth may suffer today, but maybe not.

Yes I was trying to say Ruth wouldn't suffer because there are guys today who are not real athletes per say. Agon is a perfect example of a guy who may be the slowest runner in the league. Looks like he never touched a weight in his life, but is a natural talent. I have little doubt that a guy like Babe Ruth would have been just as good today then yesteryear. Give Babe Ruth one day in a cage with a pitching machine throwing 100mph and he would have been able to get on top of any pitcher in the league today.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2011, 10:53:52 AM »
He may be, but it's not a slam dunk argument.

Agreed.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2011, 10:57:46 AM »
I recently went to the hall of fame and saw that A-ROD's name is at the top of almost every record in the game. I never really realized his name was so high up with the all time greats. However his lack of post season production really kills him.

His lack of postseason production is a myth, and media and fan generated.

In 16 postseason series, he's slugging .500 and has an OPS of .884.   In 2009 he had one of the best post seasons in the history of the game sporting the following lines (avg/obp/slg/ops)

ALDS:  .455/.500/1.000/1.500
ALCS:  .429/.567/.952 /1.519
WS     .250/.425 / .553 / .978

Included in those lines are 9th inning game tying and game winning homers of Nathan and Fuentes, and a huge HR of Hamels.

Arod brings plenty of heat on himself, and he's had a some crappy post season series (as have all players), but it's a myth that he can't/doesn't produce in the post season.
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2011, 11:04:47 AM »
His lack of postseason production is a myth, and media and fan generated.

In 16 postseason series, he's slugging .500 and has an OPS of .884.   In 2009 he had one of the best post seasons in the history of the game sporting the following lines (avg/obp/slg/ops)

ALDS:  .455/.500/1.000/1.500
ALCS:  .429/.567/.952 /1.519
WS     .250/.425 / .553 / .978

Included in those lines are 9th inning game tying and game winning homers of Nathan and Fuentes, and a huge HR of Hamels.

Arod brings plenty of heat on himself, and he's had a some crappy post season series (as have all players), but it's a myth that he can't/doesn't produce in the post season.

How much of those stats were compiled before he got to the Yankees?  I think that is what hurts him.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2011, 11:05:55 AM »







tom brady great player, as a man a fruitlloop.
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2011, 11:07:02 AM »
As for baseball, Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time.  I know this'll offend you baseball purists who preach nothing but Babe Ruth, but Bonds is THE greatest player to have ever played this game.  Argue steroids all you want, but the pitchers were no doubt juicing as well.  Ruth never had to face consistent 95+ mph pitches.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2011, 11:08:23 AM »
As for baseball, Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time.  I know this'll offend you baseball purists who preach nothing but Babe Ruth, but Bonds is THE greatest player to have ever played this game.  Argue steroids all you want, but the pitchers were no doubt juicing as well.  Ruth never had to face consistent 95+ mph pitches.

Greatest quarterback?  Toss-up between Manning and Brady, with Favre a very close second.  The only reason I say Favre is due to his longetivity in the league, as he played in both the brutal days of little QB protection and today's pass-happy rules.  Those that say Montana and Marino, I understand....but...Mont ana played on a virtual All-Star team.  In those days, all but a few teams(with no salary cap) had absolutely no shot in getting to a Super Bowl.  It was the same teams year in and year out that were good or bad.  This is one of the reasons why the 49ers and Cowboys were so good for so long....so much amazing talent stacked.  If Montana had played for the Rams, Lions, or Cardinals, he would've never sniffed the Super Bowl, if he even made the playoffs.

Today, ANY team can make it to the Super Bowl.  Just in the last decade there were a handful of teams that made or won the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history.  There is much greater parity today than there ever was.  Yes, the numbers are gaudy nowadays, but even bad teams can beat you on any given Sunday.  Look at the Patriots.  They are talked about year in and year as if they were some kind of NFL juggernaut, but yet they haven't won a playoff in game in 4 years.  You still have to have a good team around you, and a QB alone isn't going to save you.

Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2011, 11:09:14 AM »
His lack of postseason production is a myth, and media and fan generated.

In 16 postseason series, he's slugging .500 and has an OPS of .884.   In 2009 he had one of the best post seasons in the history of the game sporting the following lines (avg/obp/slg/ops)

ALDS:  .455/.500/1.000/1.500
ALCS:  .429/.567/.952 /1.519
WS     .250/.425 / .553 / .978

Included in those lines are 9th inning game tying and game winning homers of Nathan and Fuentes, and a huge HR of Hamels.

Arod brings plenty of heat on himself, and he's had a some crappy post season series (as have all players), but it's a myth that he can't/doesn't produce in the post season.

what are his numbers with runners in scoring position? Dude never comes through

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2011, 11:09:56 AM »
Good article on the longest home runs ever hit. If we look at the home run derby at the allstar game today, you see ESPN announcers making a big deal of balls traveling 430 feet. And we all know that the athletes are bigger today and are allowed to used corked bats. However during the Ruth era, there are some balls that have traveled well into the high 400's. Were they using some kind of super ball back then? Ted Williams has a red seat at Fenway that marks a 502 foot home run. Not a made up number but video evidence of that home run exists. There has only been a couple of guys who could hit a ball 500 feet at an allstar home run derby over the years. That that's with special corked bats/steroids/possibly juiced up balls etc.


http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2011, 11:10:21 AM »
Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)
good point but not the babe's fault, blame cap anson among others for this.
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2011, 11:13:11 AM »
Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)


True. But negroes really just brought speed to the game. I don't think it would have effected his power numbers all that much.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2011, 11:17:11 AM »

True. But negroes really just brought speed to the game. I don't think it would have effected his power numbers all that much.

What do you mean by speed?
We had the best agilty.
We were the fastest.
We were incredible hitters.

These are facts.
Had we had a fair shake then we would have had players better than ol' drunk tubby.  It's not his Ruth's fault but his legend is exaggerated.
As we left the sport, so did the popularity.  Look it up.  There have even been meetings and news reports on how to get blacks back in Baseball...lol
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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2011, 11:17:40 AM »

True. But negroes really just brought speed to the game. I don't think it would have effected his power numbers all that much.

There are some pretty good black pitchers if you haven't noticed.

The overall talent level of the league suffers when you exclude the most athletically talented race.  It's not like the Ruth-era MLB was stacked with Latinos either.

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Re: Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?
« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2011, 11:18:54 AM »
Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)

actually its kinda talked about that babe was actually the first black player.

He had some black in him, that's why his mom abandoned him and sent him to an orphanage, other players would call him a ni@@er when he was at bat.

Just look at his nose








Was Babe Ruth Black?

    “Preposterous!” “Ridiculous!” “Outrageous!” These may be your knee-jerk reactions to what I’m about to hypothesize --- Babe Ruth may have had an African-American ancestry. I’ll begin by saying that my theory is based purely on speculation. I’ve done no DNA testing, no tissue or bone-marrow sampling, nor have I thoroughly researched Ruth’s genealogical background (I believe he was of Irish and German ancestry).

    All I can personally offer in defense of my theory is the most basic of social sciences’ methodologies — observation. Yet I contend that “The Sultan of Swat,” “The Bambino,” the man who belted 60 home runs in 1927, and 714 overall (without the use of steroids, I might add), may have had an African-American lineage.

    Now, you may ask, “On what do you base this off-the-wall premise?” My thinking is based pure and simply on a picture. More specifically, a photograph that I saw of Babe Ruth on page 15 of SI’s 2004 Commemorative World Series issue. It shows Ruth, wearing a Red Sox uniform, standing in front of what appears to be a dugout.

    Well, as I looked at Ruth in that photo, my eyes were immediately drawn to his face. I was struck by his piercing brown (at least I believed they were brown) eyes and his slightly protruding ears. Yet, the part of "the Bambino's" face I was rivetted to was Ruth’s nose. Yes, his nose. More specifically, Ruth’s nasal structure. Not only is Ruth’s nose broad and large (flattened at the bridge), but it also has large nostrils. Anatomically, a nasal structure of that type is more consistent with and characteristic of a person of African-American heritage than say, a Caucasian person. I know what I am saying here is quite stereotypic. I fully admit that. And one could retort by saying: “Didn’t the Italo-American comedian Jimmy Durante have a huge proboscis?

    You are likely aware that there are countless Caucasian (white) people who have Negro ancestry. In some cases, they may not even be aware of it. Case in point. There are many seemingly all-white Negro relatives of our third President: Thomas Jefferson. It has been established through DNA testing that Jefferson had relations with his prized Negro slave, Sally Hemming. And, that there was a child (or even children) produced by that relationship. Only in recent years have Jefferson’s ancestors learned that some of their kin are of African-American ancestry.

    Further, Spike Lee, the film maker, was supposed to write an article in the May, 2001 edition of Gotham Magazine (I don’t believe it was ever written) alluding to the premise that Ruth was partly African-American. In the 1993 book, “Baseball Anecdotes,” by Daniel Okrent and Steve Wulf, the authors contend that Ruth did have Negro ancestry.

    Further, the legendary Ty Cobb suspected that Ruth might have been of African heritage. It is reported that Cobb refused to share a Georia hunting lodge with Ruth, Cobb is reported to have said, "I've never bedded down with a n----- and I'm not going to start now." Yet, I might add that after their retirements, Cobb and Ruth went on to become good friends.


    Getting back to Spike Lee, he tells the story that his father, a big baseball fan, once told him that Babe Ruth had “some of the ‘tar brush’ in him.” In reality we may never know. They’d have to exhume Ruth’s body to do DNA testing to conclusively determine Ruth’s racial heritage. A highly unlikely event. To further corroboate that point, it's reported that Hall of Famer Hank Aaron once said, “They’re not going to dig up the Babe. They don’t want that revealed, that there could have been an ounce of black blood in him.”

    As I recall, Barry Bonds made a big deal of hitting his 715th career home run back in May, 2006. I believe he made some reference to moving ahead of baseball's “White Icon” (my expression) in round-trippers. Come to think of it, wouldn’t it be ironic if we and Bonds found out that Ruth wasn’t totally white, after all.