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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2011, 03:05:52 PM »
Wealth is created by production of a good or service that people want or need, not hanging out in a park screaming about other people. 

You are the type of idiot the 1% is counting on - I am not even going to respond at length to this - You listened too much to your granparents and never found out what was really going on. Poor deluded Soul
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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2011, 03:10:13 PM »
You are the type of idiot the 1% is counting on - I am not even going to respond at length to this - You listened too much to your granparents and never found out what was really going on. Poor deluded Soul

Go ahead moron.  Tell me how adding endless regulations, taxes, growing the govt, growing the beauracracy creates wealth.   Waiting to hear how that works.   

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2011, 03:16:11 PM »
Go ahead moron.  Tell me how adding endless regulations, taxes, growing the govt, growing the beauracracy creates wealth.   Waiting to hear how that works.   
You are not even on the same page - you are trying to find a solution within the current paradigm.  The system has to change completely to the point were we abolish the monetary system.  Fuck the staus quo, the system doesnt work. Period .  The system is only going to get worse.  Unlike you, I have found a way to buck the system and make lots of money and remain independent and not bound to the system.  But it sound like to me you are exactly the type of person who should be protesting - locked into the current system - in a lifestyle not of your own choosing, trying to think of ways to get the broken system working again. You need to let go of the belief that the current system can solve any of our modern concerns.  Time for a radical rethink.
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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2011, 03:20:53 PM »
You are not even on the same page - you are trying to find a solution within the current paradigm.  The system has to change completely to the point were we abolish the monetary system.  Fuck the staus quo, the system doesnt work. Period .  The system is only going to get worse.  Unlike you, I have found a way to buck the system and make lots of money and remain independent and not bound to the system.  But it sound like to me you are exactly the type of person who should be protesting - locked into the current system - in a lifestyle not of your own choosing, trying to think of ways to get the broken system working again. You need to let go of the belief that the current system can solve any of our modern concerns.  Time for a radical rethink.


LOL.   Tell me the ideal system you seek to create?   What country right now is closest to that.     

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2011, 03:27:35 PM »
occupy wall street is just a usurpation of power, this whole rhetoric of solving corruption is just that, rhetoric, the power hungry ones think that the rest of the country supports them in this, this gives them leverage, they turn this leverage into political power by demonstrating that they can cause damage without being arrested by law enforcement

it will work in the sense that certain individuals involved will come out of it with careers in politics or whatever the fuck, some people will indeed have power which is their goal, while others will take the fall - most likely the most arrogant ones who thought they had so many followers that they could turn their back on the people who put them in these positions, be it politicians or financial backers or whatever

what will happen is this, the leading circle who organize the thing will demand xyz, people who can meet their demands will say ok to x and y but not z, the leader will say give us z or we march on your bank, the bank goes to certain members in the group and says, if you give in only for x and y we will not seek to prosecute you in the end, the guy who wants z will take the fall for you, the ones who agree will be the ones who come out with power, the ones who wanted z will go to prison or be left with nothing, and of course the survivors are corrupt and are owned the by banks now so to speak, even though they will be the voice of anti bank 99%ers like they like to call themselves

this is how power works

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2011, 03:54:30 PM »

LOL.   Tell me the ideal system you seek to create?   What country right now is closest to that.    
One that is BETTER than the shithole system we live under- NOT IDEAL - NOT UTOPIA - JUST BETTER

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2011, 04:05:02 PM »
occupy wall street is just a usurpation of power, this whole rhetoric of solving corruption is just that, rhetoric, the power hungry ones think that the rest of the country supports them in this, this gives them leverage, they turn this leverage into political power by demonstrating that they can cause damage without being arrested by law enforcement

it will work in the sense that certain individuals involved will come out of it with careers in politics or whatever the fuck, some people will indeed have power which is their goal, while others will take the fall - most likely the most arrogant ones who thought they had so many followers that they could turn their back on the people who put them in these positions, be it politicians or financial backers or whatever

what will happen is this, the leading circle who organize the thing will demand xyz, people who can meet their demands will say ok to x and y but not z, the leader will say give us z or we march on your bank, the bank goes to certain members in the group and says, if you give in only for x and y we will not seek to prosecute you in the end, the guy who wants z will take the fall for you, the ones who agree will be the ones who come out with power, the ones who wanted z will go to prison or be left with nothing, and of course the survivors are corrupt and are owned the by banks now so to speak, even though they will be the voice of anti bank 99%ers like they like to call themselves

this is how power works
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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2011, 04:18:06 PM »
the earths resources as the common heritage of all the world's people.

 This is why The Venus Project advocates the transition from a monetary-based society to the eventual realization of a resource-based global economy.
 

i like the first part and everything it implies

but not so much the second

without fiat money i cant imagine an economy being workable

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2011, 04:25:57 PM »
Time to take your medication

wait and see

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2011, 04:37:00 PM »
Yeah - lets all aspire to be lazy dope addicts and hang out in the street all day and question why everyone does not have a mansion.    ::)  ::)  ::)


I wonder about this because some who support this stuff do think that way. Nobody should have more than someone else.....but the average standard of living should be the same or higher. Based on what factors? Just taking from the rich? Weird stuff to me...

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2011, 04:41:28 PM »

LOL.   Tell me the ideal system you seek to create?   What country right now is closest to that.     
Several western countries. America ranks low on a long list of independment measures of quality of living,  economic freedom, corruption and the list goes on. Your so absorbed into political views like it's the only reason your  as miserable as you sound. I ain't no fucking leftist but attacking a movement based on it's people, when there main message is were getting fucked and nothing else is fucking weak.

Shit is way out of hand but you forever wanna blame other people, that's all you do your no better than these kids, the fact is if things are gonna get better in any shape or form, things are gonna have to legitimately change otherwise we'll be sucking off china.

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2011, 04:43:01 PM »
"If you don't have equal purchasing power, you can't have a democracy"

-Fresco

Well said!

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2011, 04:45:17 PM »
Several western countries. America ranks low on a long list of independment measures of quality of living,  economic freedom, corruption and the list goes on. Your so absorbed into political views like it's the only reason your  as miserable as you sound. I ain't no fucking leftist but attacking a movement based on it's people, when there main message is were getting fucked and nothing else is fucking weak.

Shit is way out of hand but you forever wanna blame other people, that's all you do your no better than these kids, the fact is if things are gonna get better in any shape or form, things are gonna have to legitimately change otherwise we'll be sucking off china.

Give me examples

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2011, 04:47:18 PM »
Give me examples
Not a chance I aint getting into a pissing contest with you, again your not really worth the time your on a constant ego trip where everything is about winning, you again would vote for winning for stalin if it was to win an argument.

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2011, 04:49:02 PM »
Not a chance I aint getting into a pissing contest with you, again your not really worth the time your on a constant ego trip where everything is about winning, you again would vote for winning for stalin if it was to win an argument.

Yawn.   You are a coward.  Give concrete examples. 

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2011, 04:52:04 PM »
Yawn.   You are a coward.  Give concrete examples. 
You have 71k posts about politics, me thinks your pretty fucking  set in your bullshit. Concrete enough for yea. Again once the pattern is notice the outcome is set.


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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2011, 04:56:10 PM »
You have 71k posts about politics, me thinks your pretty fucking  set in your bullshit. Concrete enough for yea. Again once the pattern is notice the outcome is set.



FAIL.   Give an example of your ideal country

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2011, 04:58:07 PM »
dude has 71000 posts! wtf!

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2011, 05:01:16 PM »
These losers are the typical Obama supporters. Great crowd eh?

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2011, 05:01:41 PM »
FAIL.   Give an example of your ideal country
one global government, socialist economics, retract regulations on personal life choices and extend regulations onto all definitive immoral actions. (immoral being defined as any action which directly and negatively effect another person in a significant way)

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2011, 05:06:10 PM »
One global government? Are you kidding? Countries are failing and you think bringing them all together to have the whole fail is the answer? Commonsense....no one has any!

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2011, 05:06:46 PM »
What's so wrong about the core sentiments of this occupy wall street movement?

It's basically against corporate funded politics. Too many lobbyists in Washington D.C., too much regard for corporate interest and too much disregard for the needs of the common people. Those who pay rule the country, voting means nothing...

Demos Kratos... democracy... rule of the people, not the rule of big oil or big money.. USA even treats corporations as humans... that goes much too far...

So, in this situation, these people should just shut their mouths and go back to work and start obeying the ruling class again? This position can only be held by a member of the ruling class and should have no acceptance amongst the working class...

Remember... wall street got bailed out by main street... and now that they are bailed out... they buy some more politicians to fuck the american people again... why not break this vicious circle?

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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2011, 05:07:52 PM »
What's so wrong about the core sentiments of this occupy wall street movement?

It's basically against corporate funded politics. Too many lobbyists in Washington D.C., too much regard for corporate interest and too much disregard for the needs of the common people. Those who pay rule the country, voting means nothing...

Demos Kratos... democracy... rule of the people, not the rule of big oil or big money.. USA even treats corporations as humans... that goes much too far...

So, in this situation, these people should just shut their mouths and go back to work and start obeying the ruling class again? This position can only be held by a member of the ruling class and should have no acceptance amongst the working class...

Remember... wall street got bailed out by main street... and now that they are bailed out... they buy some more politicians to fuck the american people again... why not break this vicious circle?


Several western countries. America ranks low on a long list of independment measures of quality of living,  economic freedom, corruption and the list goes on. Your so absorbed into political views like it's the only reason your  as miserable as you sound. I ain't no fucking leftist but attacking a movement based on it's people, when there main message is were getting fucked and nothing else is fucking weak.

Shit is way out of hand but you forever wanna blame other people, that's all you do your no better than these kids, the fact is if things are gonna get better in any shape or form, things are gonna have to legitimately change otherwise we'll be sucking off china.
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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2011, 05:13:45 PM »
"If you don't have equal purchasing power, you can't have a democracy"

-Fresco

Well said!
Democracy is nothing more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
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Re: Why Occupy Wall Street won't succeed
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2011, 05:15:13 PM »
FAIL.   Give an example of your ideal country
There are only about 6-10 descent countries in the world, as if any one specific example is perfect.

Again you discredit the person making the claim and ignore the actual issue.
What's so wrong about the core sentiments of this occupy wall street movement?

It's basically against corporate funded politics. Too many lobbyists in Washington D.C., too much regard for corporate interest and too much disregard for the needs of the common people. Those who pay rule the country, voting means nothing...

Demos Kratos... democracy... rule of the people, not the rule of big oil or big money.. USA even treats corporations as humans... that goes much too far...

So, in this situation, these people should just shut their mouths and go back to work and start obeying the ruling class again? This position can only be held by a member of the ruling class and should have no acceptance amongst the working class...

Remember... wall street got bailed out by main street... and now that they are bailed out... they buy some more politicians to fuck the american people again... why not break this vicious circle?

This, too much lobbying power, we pay taxes almost as high as some socialist shitwhole like france, and at the same time got nothing to show for it but a generation of PTS, and a bailed out banking system. Our rich have way to much money, too many companies function as basically monopolies, corruption is fucking rampant, americas social support system is one of the shittiest in the western world, we got people brainwashed thinking this is the way to be because of some theory of economics when the reality is, pretty much all the social sciences are united on the single fact that economics by its self is fucking austistic ironically like 333386. It ignores all common sense from any other discipline, and sends us up shit creaks.

What really grinds my gears is that america has seen only small amounts of change in over 250 years. Were behind of where we should be and show no desire to catch up.