Author Topic: Is Martin Berkhan Natural? (Read 53412 times)

howardroark · « **on:** November 19, 2011, 08:22:06 AM »

Considering the fact that most of you guys think that EVERYONE with a semi-decent physique is juiced up, do you or do you not think that Martin Berkhan is using steroids?

War-Horse · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:27:31 AM »

Sure. Hes shredded with a medium amount of muscle. Looks natty to me. But then again im not him so why care...

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:38:45 AM »

Side delts in 3rd pic look suspicious...

howardroark · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:42:34 AM »

Quote from: dutchguy on November 19, 2011, 08:38:45 AM

Side delts in 3rd pic look suspicious...

What's so suspicious? That someone was able to build muscle without using steroids?

240_Iz_Nutz · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:43:14 AM »

What's this cat weigh, how tall? Pretty damn lean and muscles "pop" pretty well.

howardroark · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:44:28 AM »

Quote from: 240_Iz_Nutz on November 19, 2011, 08:43:14 AM

What's this cat weigh, how tall? Pretty damn lean and muscles "pop" pretty well.

190lbs, 6% bodyfat... not sure how tall he is.

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:47:06 AM »

Quote from: howardroark on November 19, 2011, 08:42:34 AM

What's so suspicious? That someone was able to build muscle without using steroids?

Not that, but to maintain side delt muscle mass on a low bf is very difficult for naturals..

Raymondo · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:52:24 AM »

I think he is free from steroids.
But has admitted taking ephedrine in the past.

The thing is he is cut to the bone and has exceptional muscle shape- it just pops all over. This gives an illusion that he is bigger than what he seems. Notice that he is on his own, in these pictures.

There are some videos on the web of him deadlifting and squatting. He is covered up... and looks entirely normal. In clothes, you would barely suspect that he lifts. This is the mark of the natural

howardroark · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:53:24 AM »

Quote from: Raymondo on November 19, 2011, 08:52:24 AM

I think he is free from steroids.
But has admitted taking ephedrine in the past.

The thing is he is cut to the bone and has exceptional muscle shape- it just pops all over. This gives an illusion that he is bigger than what he seems. Notice that he is on his own, in these pictures.

There are some videos on the web of him deadlifting and squatting. He is covered up... and looks entirely normal. In clothes, you would barely suspect that he lifts. This is the mark of the natural

Agree 100%.

dustin · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:58:12 AM »

Quote from: dutchguy on November 19, 2011, 08:47:06 AM

Not that, but to maintain side delt muscle mass on a low bf is very difficult for naturals..

Nah, it's just the way he's hitting the pose. Even when I was completely natural (only previous inject was a flu shot lol) I could push my delts out all weird like that. That's actually a huge reason why I avoid pinning delts. Even if I pin half a ml it looks like I have 5 deltoid heads or something so I never put anything in there anymore.

Martin is a smart fucking guy. I respect him a lot and have made IF work well for myself. I think his stats are a bit suspect because there's no way he can be that heavy and lean completely natural. I think he's probably tried a few orals and maybe some injects too. Probably did it very calculated and meticulously . But I don't think he stays on all the time. Even a few cycles changes your natural base. Your numbers won't climb up higher than what gh15 laid out, but what you LOOK like is way different.

Either way, Martin looks great and he doesn't have to kill himself dieting like a fool. I've got a few friends (natty and juiced) doing IF and they have great results as well.

aesthetics · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:08:06 AM »

Quote from: dutchguy on November 19, 2011, 08:38:45 AM

Side delts in 3rd pic look suspicious...

i had the same feeling when i saw it too

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:08:25 AM »

Martin actually PM'd me once asking whether I thought some of his clients were lifetime natural like they claimed.

He is a smart guy.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:14:53 AM »

I have a hard time believing Martin is not a regular user of fat burners both OTC and prescription. In all its glory no matter how genetically gifted you are the human body will only get so lean and so muscular at the same time. Martin is pretty muscular for being so lean.

War-Horse · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:18:08 AM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on November 19, 2011, 09:14:53 AM

I have a hard time believing Martin is not a regular user of fat burners both OTC and prescription. In all its glory no matter how genetically gifted you are the human body will only get so lean and so muscular at the same time. Martin is pretty muscular for being so lean.

6 billion people on the planet. And we're all different. Dont live in a bubble...free your mind.

dj181 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:23:09 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on November 19, 2011, 09:08:25 AM

Martin actually PM'd me once asking whether I thought some of his clients were lifetime natural like they claimed.

He is a smart guy.

Was this one of the fellas that he was asking you about

dustin · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:29:22 AM »

Quote from: War-Horse on November 19, 2011, 09:18:08 AM

6 billion people on the planet. And we're all different. Dont live in a bubble...free your mind.

Don't be a fucking idiot.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:31:31 AM »

Exceptional muscle shape ? his obliques are as wide as his shoulders, and he's thin across the top.

dude is lean as fuck, I'd say he's no stranger to clen and ECA...but he doesn't have the "thick" look of a gear user

dustin · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:34:06 AM »

Quote from: Groink on November 19, 2011, 09:31:31 AM

Exceptional muscle shape ? his obliques are as wide as his shoulders, and he's thin across the top.

dude is lean as fuck, I'd say he's no stranger to clen and ECA...but he doesn't have the "thick" look of a gear user

Yep. He could have used something at some point because his stats don't make sense. But he doesn't have the look of someone who's happily juiced all the time.

Looks great either way though.

Raymondo · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:44:36 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on November 19, 2011, 09:08:25 AM

Martin actually PM'd me once asking whether I thought some of his clients were lifetime natural like they claimed.

He is a smart guy.

I would imagine he did.

A few of the people in his "results" page are highly suspect.

War-Horse · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:48:29 AM »

Quote from: dustin on November 19, 2011, 09:34:06 AM

Yep. He could have used something at some point because his stats don't make sense. But he doesn't have the look of someone who's happily juiced all the time.

Looks great either way though.

Hahahahahah. His stats dont make sense.........hahahahaha ha. What a bubble you live in dusty....

dustin · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:49:33 AM »

Quote from: War-Horse on November 19, 2011, 09:48:29 AM

Hahahahahah. His stats dont make sense.........hahahahaha ha. What a bubble you live in dusty....

What is your exact location.

War-Horse · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2011, 09:51:50 AM »

Quote from: dustin on November 19, 2011, 09:49:33 AM

What is your exact location.

Do you want latitude/longitude coordinates sir? Over.

dustin · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2011, 10:40:16 AM »

Quote from: War-Horse on November 19, 2011, 09:51:50 AM

Do you want latitude/longitude coordinates sir? Over.

Are you mocking me?

jprc10 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2011, 11:11:49 AM »

You got to be really pathetic if you have to start questioning if a guy with his build is natural or not.
BUt getbig and gh15 really do brainwash a lot of people.

njflex · « **Reply #24 on:** November 19, 2011, 11:16:45 AM »

Quote from: jprc10 on November 19, 2011, 11:11:49 AM

You got to be really pathetic if you have to start questioning if a guy with his build is natural or not.
BUt getbig and gh15 really do brainwash a lot of people.

this,,,and dustin is a good poster and his opinion is worthy he has played on both sides of the fence in regards to clean and using.