Author Topic: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?  (Read 53454 times)

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2011, 11:18:02 AM »
You got to be really pathetic if you have to start questioning if a guy with his build is natural or not.
BUt getbig and gh15 really do brainwash a lot of people.

If you're not here to discuss greased up muscle bears in glittery thongs then you're on the wrong forum, stud. >:(

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2011, 11:19:08 AM »
Looks like a natty who does a shitload of cardio and who has a metabolism like a fat burning furnace.

Not everyone uses gear.......some guys train hard all the time,and never miss a meal or workout.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2011, 11:59:21 AM »
I seem to recall he does no cardio, but not positive on that. His diet would piss off the clean eaters, the 6 meals a day camp of bodybuilding orthodoxy. It's basically eat what you want within the desired daily macros during the daily eating window (can't remember if it's 4 hours or more?). But it works of course, and not just for the genetically elite on a heavy drug regimen.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2011, 12:02:38 PM »
Looks like a natty who does a shitload of cardio and who has a metabolism like a fat burning furnace.

Not everyone uses gear.......some guys train hard all the time,and never miss a meal or workout.

You should see his pics when he was younger....he is no guy with a metabolism like a furnace....

Here is a FAQ on how he eats/trains.

http://examine.com/leangains-faq/#summary5

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2011, 12:04:42 PM »
You should see his pics when he was younger....he is no guy with a metabolism like a furnace....

Here is a FAQ on how he eats/trains.

http://examine.com/leangains-faq/#summary5

Thanks Curt.  :)

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2011, 12:07:16 PM »
You should see his pics when he was younger....he is no guy with a metabolism like a furnace....

Here is a FAQ on how he eats/trains.

http://examine.com/leangains-faq/#summary5

Pretty interesting ideas.I`ll have to peruse it further .

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2011, 12:07:42 PM »
Side delts in 3rd pic look suspicious...
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coming from a guy who thinks this dude is natural that's hilarious



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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2011, 12:07:51 PM »
I seem to recall he does no cardio, but not positive on that. His diet would piss off the clean eaters, the 6 meals a day camp of bodybuilding orthodoxy. It's basically eat what you want within the desired daily macros during the daily eating window (can't remember if it's 4 hours or more?). But it works of course, and not just for the genetically elite on a heavy drug regimen.

Yep. I don't think he does much cardio at all. I know he feels that losing weight and fatloss are better mitigated through calorie control than cardio (I agree).

I think the eating window is 8 hours but you want to squeeze it in generally after a work out. I inadvertently fasted at work a few times and found that if I staved hunger pains and hypoglycemia I'd end up feeling fantastic. And after eating, even if I ate "poorly" I would get SO pumped up. I started purposely fasting before I found his site and found great results.

Martin really puts it into perspective. He debunks a lot of myths like the one where it's better to eat around the clock because it turns you into some metabolic furnace. He touches base on the thermic effect of food, covers insulin and metabolism, etc. A lot of people make big claims but this guy just tells it like it is. No big, outlandish claims or theories. Everything is backed by science as well as real world results. Not everyone can fit IF into their lifestyle, but if they can...

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2011, 12:10:09 PM »
Nah, it's just the way he's hitting the pose. Even when I was completely natural (only previous inject was a flu shot lol) I could push my delts out all weird like that. That's actually a huge reason why I avoid pinning delts. Even if I pin half a ml it looks like I have 5 deltoid heads or something so I never put anything in there anymore.

Martin is a smart fucking guy. I respect him a lot and have made IF work well for myself. I think his stats are a bit suspect because there's no way he can be that heavy and lean completely natural. I think he's probably tried a few orals and maybe some injects too. Probably did it very calculated and meticulously . But I don't think he stays on all the time. Even a few cycles changes your natural base. Your numbers won't climb up higher than what gh15 laid out, but what you LOOK like is way different.

Either way, Martin looks great and he doesn't have to kill himself dieting like a fool. I've got a few friends (natty and juiced) doing IF and they have great results as well.

Some guys are just... heavy. I have a friend like that. He looks ten pounds lighter than me, but he weights ten pounds more than I do.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2011, 12:11:07 PM »
Looks like a natty who does a shitload of cardio and who has a metabolism like a fat burning furnace.

Not everyone uses gear.......some guys train hard all the time,and never miss a meal or workout.

He does no cardio... because he realizes that cardio is stupid.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2011, 12:11:16 PM »
I think when there are financial/career benefits to having a good physique , the temptation to take a little bit of something must be great...

Not saying that he does take anything, just that if it enhances your product - which is in a large part your physique - and you aren't tested, why not do it?
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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2011, 12:13:07 PM »
Everyone using their physique/fitness/athletic ability to make a living is on drugs, hope this helps.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2011, 12:17:03 PM »
Everyone using their physique/fitness/athletic ability to make a living is on drugs, hope this helps.

I know what you mean... I'm a personal trainer. LOL.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2011, 12:27:36 PM »
Everyone using their physique/fitness/athletic ability to make a living is on drugs, hope this helps.

Hahaha of course. I'm starting to train people again and if I started looking like shit, I wouldn't want to take my own advice. ;D

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2011, 12:48:37 PM »
Adonis Principles+IF=Epic Win

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2011, 01:54:32 PM »
Adonis Principles+IF=Epic Win

STFU, no one wants your spam, bitch.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2011, 01:55:16 PM »
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coming from a guy who thinks this dude is natural that's hilarious



Get some glasses, kiddo. Dude's fat...

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2011, 02:47:29 PM »
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coming from a guy who thinks this dude is natural that's hilarious




LOL dude, that guy doesn't have 1/10th the thickness or size of Arnold.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2011, 02:51:18 PM »
LOL dude, that guy doesn't have 1/10th the thickness or size of Arnold.

he gets mad whenever someone points that out

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2011, 03:15:35 PM »
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coming from a guy who thinks this dude is natural that's hilarious




Not sure what point you're tryig to pove with this pic, as Arnold is light years ahead of him.

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2011, 03:16:30 PM »
I thought he was.. before I meet GB  :P

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2011, 05:15:59 PM »
depends on your definition of "natural"

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2011, 04:24:15 PM »


6 billion people on the planet. And we're all different. Dont live in a bubble...free your mind.


  So I guess in your fantasy world some humans have the potential to fly, regrow limbs, etc.  There are limits to even the most genetically gifted human beings.....that was my point dumbshit. 

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2011, 04:30:25 PM »

  So I guess in your fantasy world some humans have the potential to fly, regrow limbs, etc.  There are limits to even the most genetically gifted human beings.....that was my point dumbshit. 


Apparently you have low standards of potential and this has created a self-hatred that causes you to hate superiors. While we cant grow limbs back...there can be 20"muscular arms built without drugs... ::)

Why do you choose to limit yourself mc-anus?

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Re: Is Martin Berkhan Natural?
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2011, 04:36:22 PM »

Apparently you have low standards of potential and this has created a self-hatred that causes you to hate superiors. While we cant grow limbs back...there can be 20"muscular arms built without drugs... ::)

Why do you choose to limit yourself mc-anus?

20-inch arms? Not if you're lean. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but don't fall for that magazine bullshit about how it's possible to build 20-inch arms naturally. Arthur Jones took the TRUE measurements of many bodybuilders in the 70s... Most pros did not have 20-inch arms and the few that did never exceeded 21 inches. For example, Arnold's arms were 19 2/3 inches slightly pumped.