Is Martin Berkhan Natural?

[War-Horse]

20-inch arms? Not if you're lean. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but don't fall for that magazine bullshit about how it's possible to build 20-inch arms naturally. Arthur Jones took the TRUE measurements of many bodybuilders in the 70s... Most pros did not have 20-inch arms and the few that did never exceeded 21 inches. For example, Arnold's arms were 19 2/3 inches slightly pumped.

Well i gues im skewed then cuz i had a freind that never took a steroid in his life that hit the 20" mark cold and he had abs. It led me to beieve its possible and now I have them too. So im glad i didnt read getbig back then cuz i would have been convinced i needed All these drugs tha gh15 is saying....sad for the kids coming up. BTW i dont believe arthur jones on those stats and if theyre true then the guys were off cycle....and yes they took time off back then...arnold looked terrible most of the year but would gear up for a show and grow into it..unlike today.

[L.L]

Exceptional muscle shape ? his obliques are as wide as his shoulders, and he's thin across the top.

dude is lean as fuck, I'd say he's no stranger to clen and ECA...but he doesn't have the "thick" look of a gear user

This , he is tiny;;;yet i can smell clen ,t3 from over here

[howardroark]

Well i gues im skewed then cuz i had a freind that never took a steroid in his life that hit the 20" mark cold and he had abs. It led me to beieve its possible and now I have them too. So im glad i didnt read getbig back then cuz i would have been convinced i needed All these drugs tha gh15 is saying....sad for the kids coming up. BTW i dont believe arthur jones on those stats and if theyre true then the guys were off cycle....and yes they took time off back then...arnold looked terrible most of the year but would gear up for a show and grow into it..unlike today.

Tape measures are inaccurate. Cut out some newspaper, mark it up, and then measure your friend's arms. If he really his 20" at sub 10% bodyfat, then he's a one in a million genetic freak.

That measurement was taken before the Mr. Olympia, IIRC.

[gh15]

read what i say here,, read it closly carefuly and maybe even repeat read of it for the next 30 day before fal asleep,,

there is never ever never ever never never evere never never ever ever never a fella walking 190lb 4-6%  5'10 or even 5'11 truly natural ,, this number does not exist for naturals at 5'10 5'11 even 6 feet none existant,, 6'1.. in some specific cases of the most dedicated talented specicif italianos germanianos and black,,6'2 6'3 ....yes it is possible under 6'2 6'3 not a damn chance in hell

this fella is hormonized,, the other fella is hormonized too ,, i didnt go past the first page so the only 2 i saw is the ones on first page

but no! a true natural is maybe 170lb on a good wet day 6% overall if absolitly best struture at 5'10! and...if this true natural go out gymnasium for 1-2 months and dont work out...he lose so much lean muscle that he will be 160lb will fell 150lb and if lucky enough to have ilusion due to good structure will pull the ilusion of 170

this is true naturals for you fellas,, and the ones i talk about aARE the bestest true naturals!! ,,

FELAS LIKE NORTOM AND THIS FELLA ARE GYM RATS INFATUATED WITH CHEATING SYSTEM AND INFATUATED WITH SPECIFIC HORMONES,,

gh15 approved

[gh15]

Looks like a natty who does a shitload of cardio and who has a metabolism like a fat burning furnace.

Not everyone uses gear.......some guys train hard all the time,and never miss a meal or workout.

there was never a true naturals who stook 190lb on stage in the condition show here,, NEVER,, not even 175!,, 5'10 i always talk 5'10 in term of height since its average height for human males

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[gh15]

He does no cardio... because he realizes that cardio is stupid.

who does cardio? what are you fella crazy ,, we do cardio only when we eat like a tank on hgh and before comeptition when we are LOADED LOADEDDDD!!! on hormones ,, we have so much drugs in us that cardio can nto take anything out ,, and even then we do it liek lazy fucks

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[gh15]

Everyone using their physique/fitness/athletic ability to make a living is on drugs, hope this helps.

i got a surprize for you friend,, EVERYONE WHO USE THEIR PHYSIQE TO MAKE A LIVING EVEN AS PERSONAL TRAIN! is using hormones to some degree!,, for only the ones who use hormones have the house wifes come to them to compliment and ask advice ,, since everyone is impressed....

this is actualy what you say when i read what you said again

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[howardroark]

who does cardio? what are you fella crazy ,, we do cardio only when we eat like a tank on hgh and before comeptition when we are LOADED LOADEDDDD!!! on hormones ,, we have so much drugs in us that cardio can nto take anything out ,, and even then we do it liek lazy fucks

gh15 approved

haha, that's what I was saying! cardio is the stupidest thing ever for the natural trainee... all it'll do is strip the muscle right off of ya

[dyslexic]

Arthur Jones supposedly "surprised" Arnold getting off a plane ~ Arnold got a chance (supposedly) to pump up his arms real quick before the measurement and the peaked one was just over 19"

[gh15]

19 inch is very real mesurment for fella on hormones,,even very lean ,, arnold was 6'1 to 6'2 only nwo he is maybe 6 feet due to age...he got short he maybe even 5'11 now day but that not th eissue,, arnold when land in americana did have 19 inch arm easy for 6'1 fella on hormones,, also his arms was one of the best geneticaly and structuraly ,, he had good illusion that made them look even biger when flex and when not flex,, you talk here about one of the best bodybuild ever if not the best in many eyes,, cant compare no one to him aside from ron an dorian and lee hainey and all of them were hormone monkys lol

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[howardroark]

Looked at his bodyspace... http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/MartinBerkhan/

He claims he's 6'1, 195lbs, 5.5% bodyfat.

He denies using steroids, though he admits he used ephedrine when it was still legal. He started off as a fatboy and dieted down then shot back up in weight (according to his leangains.com blog, not his bodyspace). His training was very out of the ordinary - a Heavy Duty 2 type routine.

[howardroark]

read what i say here,, read it closly carefuly and maybe even repeat read of it for the next 30 day before fal asleep,,

there is never ever never ever never never evere never never ever ever never a fella walking 190lb 4-6%  5'10 or even 5'11 truly natural ,, this number does not exist for naturals at 5'10 5'11 even 6 feet none existant,, 6'1.. in some specific cases of the most dedicated talented specicif italianos germanianos and black,,6'2 6'3 ....yes it is possible under 6'2 6'3 not a damn chance in hell

this fella is hormonized,, the other fella is hormonized too ,, i didnt go past the first page so the only 2 i saw is the ones on first page

but no! a true natural is maybe 170lb on a good wet day 6% overall if absolitly best struture at 5'10! and...if this true natural go out gymnasium for 1-2 months and dont work out...he lose so much lean muscle that he will be 160lb will fell 150lb and if lucky enough to have ilusion due to good structure will pull the ilusion of 170

this is true naturals for you fellas,, and the ones i talk about aARE the bestest true naturals!! ,,

FELAS LIKE NORTOM AND THIS FELLA ARE GYM RATS INFATUATED WITH CHEATING SYSTEM AND INFATUATED WITH SPECIFIC HORMONES,,

gh15 approved

gh15, what do you think of this formula for determining natural genetic potential?

Height in centimeters - 100 = weight in kilograms absolutely peeled

[chess315]

I say he juices

[howardroark]

I say he juices

Berkhan has a rough formula for determining someone's genetic potential: height in cm - 100 = weight in kg when very lean

It's actually quite a good formula, since it would put someone who's 5'9 at approximately 170lbs w/ 6% bodyfat. Berkhan's own height/weight correspond to this formula quite well (he beats it by just a tad bit).

[Bigchef]

Not Natural!

[Nomad]

Looked at his bodyspace... http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/MartinBerkhan/

He claims he's 6'1, 195lbs, 5.5% bodyfat.

He denies using steroids, though he admits he used ephedrine when it was still legal. He started off as a fatboy and dieted down then shot back up in weight (according to his leangains.com blog, not his bodyspace). His training was very out of the ordinary - a Heavy Duty 2 type routine.

Location:   Sweden

All makes sense now. Sweden is very strict about anabolics, in Sweden cops can approach / detain you if they suspect solely based on your look that you are using steroids. So lol, admitting juice = suicide over there.

[aesthetics]

20-inch arms? Not if you're lean. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but don't fall for that magazine bullshit about how it's possible to build 20-inch arms naturally. Arthur Jones took the TRUE measurements of many bodybuilders in the 70s... Most pros did not have 20-inch arms and the few that did never exceeded 21 inches. For example, Arnold's arms were 19 2/3 inches slightly pumped.

arnold is one person i believe actually had true measurements. look at how big his biceps were and also take into consideration just how tall he was as well. he definitely had 22 inch arms at his peak, also with seo and esciline it makes it even more believable.

[Stavios]

You got to be really pathetic if you have to start questioning if a guy with his build is natural or not.
BUt getbig and gh15 really do brainwash a lot of people.

I know a lot of guy with that type of built who are on the gas

just sayin

[howardroark]

arnold is one person i believe actually had true measurements. look at how big his biceps were and also take into consideration just how tall he was as well. he definitely had 22 inch arms at his peak, also with seo and esciline it makes it even more believable.

Bullshit!

Arthur Jones measured his arms and they were under 20 inches!

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Boyer Coe, and a few other top dogs in the 70s just had the illusion of having 20+ inch arms. It's all about structure/shape.

[L.L]

cardio is stupid?/

hmm , well it all depends and what kind of cardio. Cardio allows me to keep my carbs high while i diet , reason why I dont look flat nor small  when dieting to single digits  cuz of cardio i keep eating lots of cals and losing fat while keeping all my muscle..Bodyweight almost stays the same while i get leaner ,harder every week..in part thanks to Cardio and Meds of ocurse ...whoever said cardio was stupid has no idea what the hell he is talking about.

Show me a low carb dieter or keto fuck and I iwll show you one small fucker with muscle that do not pop.

[howardroark]

cardio is stupid?/

hmm , well it all depends and what kind of cardio. Cardio allows me to keep my carbs high while i diet , reason why I dont look flat nor small  when dieting to single digits  cuz of cardio i keep eating lots of cals and losing fat while keeping all my muscle..Bodyweight almost stays the same while i get leaner ,harder every week..in part thanks to Cardio and Meds of ocurse ...whoever said cardio was stupid has no idea what the hell he is talking about.

Show me a low carb dieter or keto fuck and I iwll show you one small fucker with muscle that do not pop.

You can eat carbs, not do cardio, and diet down to a low bodyfat percentage.

It's all about calories in - calories out. Cardio barely burns any fat, but it does impose a physiological stress on your body... maybe it's not a big deal for guys who use steroids but for natties cardio can do more harm than good. Instead of running you might as well eat a few calories less for better results.

[L.L]

You can eat carbs, not do cardio, and diet down to a low bodyfat percentage.

It's all about calories in - calories out. Cardio barely burns any fat, but it does impose a physiological stress on your body... maybe it's not a big deal for guys who use steroids but for natties cardio can do more harm than good. Instead of running you might as well eat a few calories less for better results.

lol...I dont run ,son...i just walk slowly on a  inclined treadmill even holding the bars..i do not want to eat less cuz i wanna stay bigger when dieting...fuck less calories unless you wanna look like a twig underwear model..ive been there done that....have u ever prepped for shows , photoshoots...? any pics of you ..and as far as natties go , i am not natty scum ..I love the Dark side..

[howardroark]

lol...I dont run ,son...i just walk slowly on a  inclined treadmill even holding the bars..i do not want to eat less cuz i wanna stay bigger when dieting...fuck less calories unless you wanna look like a twig underwear model..ive been there done that....have u ever prepped for shows , photoshoots...? any pics of you ..and as far as natties go , i am not natty scum ..I love the Dark side..

You walk on a treadmill? You know how many calories that burns? Not enough to be noticeable.

[Nomad]

You can eat carbs, not do cardio, and diet down to a low bodyfat percentage.

It's all about calories in - calories out. Cardio barely burns any fat, but it does impose a physiological stress on your body... maybe it's not a big deal for guys who use steroids but for natties cardio can do more harm than good. Instead of running you might as well eat a few calories less for better results.

See, there is your mistake. Running is some stupid shit for cardio, a lot of wear n tear on your body even if you know how to run properly. Just hit the cardio machines in the gym and do low intensity, so your heartrate is somewhere 125-140 bpm.

[howardroark]

BTW, no pics from me, since I'm a personal trainer with an online presence and I don't want my name associated with this website/account.

But in case you're interested, Martin Berkhan doesn't do any cardio and he's as shredded as he is.

Also, Casey Viator didn't do any cardio before his 1971 Mr. America win: