naw, i mean, nandro will make you bloofy. you'll hold water on both npp and deca which is why it helps with the joints so much, keeps them lubricated. eq is a good substitute for nandro, and eq won't make you bloofy but give you nice pumped up full look. problem i had with eq was i couldn't stop eating, appetite is insatiable, so i'd only run it when bulking. long ass half life on eq though, took more than a month before i started getting the insane pumps from it