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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2011, 10:31:05 AM »
ok so none of you fucking "get out of out business" republicans are gonna comment on Newts pledge to EXPAND Patriot Act..

"Big Government get out of our life"

Police State Patriot Act
Gay Marriage
Abortion
DADT

But stay out of our lives right?

Give me a fucking break you confused fucks. Fucking Idiots.

that's one of the big moral flaws of the repub party.

We follow the bible, but we're cool with pre-emptively killing people who threaten our oil prices.
Govt needs to stay out of our lives - unless it's about abortion, gay marriage, etc.
We're pro-life, but okay with electrocuting people..


at least the dems KNOW they are spend-happy immoral twits who like the govt to take care of them.  Repubs are also - but they're in denial about it. 

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2011, 10:32:59 AM »
that's one of the big moral flaws of the repub party.

We follow the bible, but we're cool with pre-emptively killing people who threaten our oil prices.
Govt needs to stay out of our lives - unless it's about abortion, gay marriage, etc.
We're pro-life, but okay with electrocuting people..


at least the dems KNOW they are spend-happy immoral twits who like the govt to take care of them.  Repubs are also - but they're in denial about it. 


idiots on Getbig Disgust me. Seriously. Defending crap repubs put out day in and day out..

Fucking walking contradictions.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2011, 10:38:59 AM »
idiots on Getbig Disgust me. Seriously. Defending crap repubs put out day in and day out..

Fucking walking contradictions.

before the age of the web and free information, it was easy.

Repubs didn't know gulf of tonken was a lie to start war - they would know that today.
Repubs didn't know lots of details of lots of war - but they did know that Saddam let UN search everything, adn there were no WMD.  WE invaded anyway.
Repubs didn't see youtube clips of their candidates taking every position under the sun - today we know who the flipfloppers are.
Repubs wouldn't have found out about freddie mac lobbyist newt bullshit before - medi may have held that.
Repubs woudln't have known about all these politicians' affairs - Sen Vitter wore diapers with hookers - and they still have to defend him.

it's a tough spot.  They used to be able to hold up taht bible and justify everything.  Now, every time they say "yeah, let's invade this country who hasnt attacked us", they can't lean on simple lies that their moral systems allow.    So it's just changed to "anything to not be called a liberal!" or this nonstop "terrorists want to kill us" threat which used to work to justify a military budget so big.  but even today, many repubs are starting to realize it's just about making the rich richer.  It's not about making us safe.

Would Jesus have supported vietnam based on lies?  Would Jesus have invaded Iraq after seeing with his own Jesus trucks & inspectors that saddam didnt' have WMD?  We all know the answer to that.  

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2011, 11:02:36 AM »
WOW..all you silly ass RW posters are silent now...fuckin jokes...now its a conversation between me and 240....let me put some obama crap up and yall will be posting from now till next week,

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #79 on: November 27, 2011, 11:06:37 AM »
WOW..all you silly ass RW posters are silent now...fuckin jokes...now its a conversation between me and 240....let me put some obama crap up and yall will be posting from now till next week,

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LOL!!!   You libs are a fucking joke - other than gay marriage and abortion - you idiots are for pissing over every single economic right we have, pissing on the 2nd and 1st amendment, hate crimes laws, etc. 

Fucking please Option F (FAIL), both parties are hypocritical.   The GOP social cons need to STFU about abortion and gay marriage, but fucking please - the communist left , of which your heros are a part of, take the damn wedding cake when it comes to abusing peoples' rights. 

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« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2011, 11:10:22 AM »

LOL!!!   You libs are a fucking joke - other than gay marriage and abortion - you idiots are for pissing over every single economic right we have, pissing on the 2nd and 1st amendment, hate crimes laws, etc. 

Fucking please Option F (FAIL), both parties are hypocritical.   The GOP social cons need to STFU about abortion and gay marriage, but fucking please - the communist left , of which your heros are a part of, take the damn wedding cake when it comes to abusing peoples' rights. 

of which your heros are a part of????? You fucking idiot.. over and over  IM VOTING FOR PAUL..YOU FUCKING DUNCE...

So WSY about your new God... Newts Stance on Patriot act... i didnt ask jack crap about liberals...i asked about your god attempting to expand my country to a police state...

Now answer it fag

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #81 on: November 27, 2011, 11:12:29 AM »
of which your heros are a part of????? You fucking idiot.. over and over  IM VOTING FOR PAUL..YOU FUCKING DUNCE...

So WSY about your new God... Newts Stance on Patriot act... i didnt ask jack crap about liberals...i asked about your god attempting to expand my country to a police state...

Now answer it fag


LMFAO!!!!!   are you fucking kidding!!!!   WTF is wrong with you?  Obama has been doing that for 3 years now all to the silence of those idiots who voted for him! 

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #82 on: November 27, 2011, 11:15:14 AM »

LMFAO!!!!!   are you fucking kidding!!!!   WTF is wrong with you?  Obama has been doing that for 3 years now all to the silence of those idiots who voted for him! 

Stay on topic idiot

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #83 on: November 27, 2011, 11:36:47 AM »

LMFAO!!!!!   are you fucking kidding!!!!   WTF is wrong with you?  Obama has been doing that for 3 years now all to the silence of those idiots who voted for him! 

That is not true at all... I voted for Obama and his continuation of The Patriot Act sickened me.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #84 on: November 27, 2011, 11:38:11 AM »
That is not true at all... I voted for Obama and his continuation of The Patriot Act sickened me.

Not true of you - you are one of rare honest one like BF and Hugo.   The others ?   GMAFB. 

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #85 on: November 27, 2011, 12:08:28 PM »
ok so none of you fucking "get out of out business" republicans are gonna comment on Newts pledge to EXPAND Patriot Act..

"Big Government get out of our life"

Police State Patriot Act
Gay Marriage
Abortion
DADT

But stay out of our lives right?

Give me a fucking break you confused fucks. Fucking Idiots.

What's your problem with the Patriot Act?

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« Reply #86 on: November 27, 2011, 12:16:00 PM »
Section 215 of the Patriot Act authorizes the government to obtain "any tangible thing" relevant to a terrorism investigation, even if there is no showing that the "thing" pertains to suspected terrorists or terrorist activities. This provision is contrary to traditional notions of search and seizure, which require the government to show reasonable suspicion or probable cause before undertaking an investigation that infringes upon a person's privacy. Congress must ensure that things collected with this power have a meaningful nexus to suspected terrorist activity or it should be allowed to expire.

Section 206 of the Patriot Act, also known as "roving John Doe wiretap" provision, permits the government to obtain intelligence surveillance orders that identify neither the person nor the facility to be tapped. This provision is contrary to traditional notions of search and seizure, which require government to state with particularity what it seeks to search or seize. Section 206 should be amended to mirror similar and longstanding criminal laws that permit roving wiretaps, but require the naming of a specific target. Otherwise, it should expire.

Section 6001 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, or the so-called "Lone Wolf" provision, permits secret intelligence surveillance of non-US persons who are not affiliated with a foreign organization. Such an authorization, granted only in secret courts is subject to abuse and threatens our longtime understandings of the limits of the government's investigatory powers within the borders of the United States. This provision has never been used and should be allowed to expire outright.


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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #87 on: November 27, 2011, 12:18:56 PM »

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #88 on: November 27, 2011, 12:19:52 PM »
What's your problem with the Patriot Act?

R U for real?

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #89 on: November 27, 2011, 12:21:20 PM »
R U for real?

How have you personally been affected by the patriot act?  Are you on the phone with terrorists in Yemen?  Are you laundering money for Al Quaeda? 


Just asking -

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #90 on: November 27, 2011, 12:32:08 PM »
R U for real?

That's about the answer I expected. 

Do you have a problem with the entire act or just certain parts of it?  And which part was Newt talking about in his passing reference about strengthening it? 

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #91 on: November 27, 2011, 12:33:12 PM »
You are making up history about Germany, closing off your boarders and becoming self reliant is part of Fascism.  Making corporations part of the gov't is part of it, the system does not work for the corporations, it works for the people.  The people thrived, they did have houses, and lived very well.  You don't need to be rich to live well.  Americans seem to think the only way to live is be a millionaire, that is false.  You must be a jew sympathizer if you are making up these false accusations about Germany.  

About capitalism, I was saying at this point the US is not, I know it was confusing how I said it.  You are advocating for it and I was just showing how it does not work for the majority of the population.  Having a computer or cell phone doesn't make your living conditions good.  Kids in Africa who live in shit holes have computers now, does that make their living conditions good?  People in jail have TV's, does that make their living conditions good?  Your examples do not reflect actual living conditions.  Owning certain material goods doesn't make your living conditions good.

No the data is not misleading, you just don't want to accept the facts.







lol, the analogy you provided completely shits on these morons and there correlation with material goods. It's as if owning a fucking phone is some form of status attainment, that all is good in the world if people are still able to communicate with others.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #92 on: November 27, 2011, 12:43:03 PM »
How have you personally been affected by the patriot act?  Are you on the phone with terrorists in Yemen?  Are you laundering money for Al Quaeda? 


Just asking -

I've not been affected by the gun bans in DC, Chicago, or NY either.  Maybe they're not so bad.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #93 on: November 27, 2011, 12:45:00 PM »
How have you personally been affected by the patriot act?  Are you on the phone with terrorists in Yemen?  Are you laundering money for Al Quaeda? 


Just asking -

I wonder if the 2nd or 3rd set of Jewish people hauled off to concentration camps said that to the group in front of them.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #94 on: November 27, 2011, 12:45:35 PM »
I've not been affected by the gun bans in DC, Chicago, or NY either.  Maybe they're not so bad.

Was busting balls. 

BTW - Obama is for gun bans in Chicago and DC.   

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #95 on: November 27, 2011, 03:59:33 PM »
That's about the answer I expected. 

Do you have a problem with the entire act or just certain parts of it?  And which part was Newt talking about in his passing reference about strengthening it? 
Sorry needed to go work out chief

Now about EXPANDING your already intrusive Patriot act. Yes I do not like your entire patriot act at all. I dont like its basis for one. It was birthed out of 9/11 attacks. 9/11 was preventable if GWB would've listened to Clark. Am i correct.. Yes i know i am. So to say Patriot act was needed is pure bull crap. And Newt never stated specific intentions. Just intentions on expanding it as a whole.

Yea... Gov Stay out of our business...

Amazing...you guys are really amazing

You got 3333 over there, dont wether to like it because Newt said or, damn it because its a clear intrusion on American's Civil liberties. 
But for now 333 will defend it in order to play politics.. Clown 



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Profile Muslims. Bring on the drones. Did we learn anything else from last night’s GOP debate on CNN? Well, once again, it appears as if Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul is the only candidate that wants to protect the liberties of Americans.
Speaking from DAR Constitution Hall in Washington DC Tuesday night, Paul and his peers discussed the topics of national security and foreign policy. While it’s been no secret that some of the more hawkish candidates are crazy for increasing defense spending and upping the American military presence overseas, Texas Congressman Ron Paul once again managed to separate himself from the rest of the pack by coming off as perhaps the only candidate truly committed to keeping liberty and freedom in place for Americans.
Right from the get-go, Paul used the allotted time to introduce himself to the audience by saying that the issues on hand last night were of great importance to the country. According to the congressman, America’s wars — which he deemed “needless” and “unnecessary” — not just add to the deficit of the country but also undermine the prosperity and liberty of America.
Perhaps most detrimental to those ways of American life, however, is the Patriot Act. While Newt Gingrich rallied to extend the legislation longer and Rick Perry and Herman Cain also offered their support for the controversial bill, Paul put himself apart from his fellow candidates by condemning the act.
“I think the Patriot Act is unpatriotic because it undermines our liberty,” Paul said. “I'm concerned, as everybody is, about the terrorist attack . . . Terrorism is still on the books, internationally and nationally, it's a crime and we should deal with it.” Paul added, however, that the framers of the Constitution warned the country not to “sacrifice liberty for security,” yet “Today it seems too easy that our government and our congresses are so willing to give up our liberties for our security.”
“I have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security. You can still provide security without sacrificing our Bill of Rights,” added Paul, to which the candidate was met with a round of applause.
According to former House speaker Newt Gingrich, however, there can be a happy medium where Americans only lose some of those liberties.
“We'll try to find that balancing act between our individual liberties and security,” said Gingrich.
While Paul went on to say that that establishing such a tyrannical regime over the American people could be an efficient way of curbing crime, it would also be a great way to end freedom.
“You can prevent crimes by becoming a police state,” Paul said. “So if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the American people and against our freedoms.”
According to other candidates, however, those sacrifices are necessary for the protection against terrorism, something they made out to be a constant threat. “The terrorists have one objective that some people don't seem to get. They want to kill all of us,” said Herman Cain. To handle that threat, Cain proposed that “we should use every mean possible to kill them first or identify them first.”
Cain neglected to specify what he did actually want to do first — kill suspected terrorists or identify them — but others made it clear that in-depth analyses of alleged terrorists wasn’t really necessary for the safety and security of American citizens. Instead, rather, the government should just go after Muslims.
When quizzed by moderator Wolf Blitzer on how to deal with ethnic profiling, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum said that such a practice was crucial in the War on Terror, and that the government should not just continue to profile people, but specifically go after Muslims.
“The folks that are most likely to be committing these crimes,” Santorum suggested should be the target of profiling. “Obviously Muslims would be someone you’d look at, absolutely.”
Similarly, Cain proposed what he called “targeted identification.” While he would not come out and say that Muslims specifically need to be profiled (although he has attacked them in the press repeatedly), he did declare that “If you take a look at the people who have tried to kill us, it would be easier to figure out exactly what that identification profile looked like.”
To Paul, however, none of these tactics for a war on terror seem like an appropriate response.
“That's digging a hole for ourselves,” said Paul. “What if they look like Timothy McVeigh? You know, he was a pretty tough criminal.”
“I think we're using too much carelessness in the use of words that we're at war. I don't remember voting on — on a declared — declaration of war. Oh, we're against terrorism. And terrorism is a tactic. It isn't a person. It isn't a people. So this is a very careless use of words. What about this? Sacrifice liberties because there are terrorists? You're the judge and the jury? No, they're suspects.”
Paul added that the executive powers established through the Patriot Act and other War on Terror legislation has made American citizens “vulnerable to assassination,” hinting at the reason execution of two US men with alleged al-Qaeda ties that were killed by drone strikes overseas.
The War on Terror isn’t the only unnecessary according to Paul, either. Responding to Texas Governor Rick Perry’s support of the War on Drugs, Paul said, “That’s another war we ought to cancel . . . And that’s where the violence is coming from.”
“I think the federal war on drugs is a total failure.”
“So the drug war is out of control,” added Paul. “I fear the drug war because it undermines our civil liberties. It magnifies our problems on the borders. We spend — like, over the last 40 years, $1 trillion on this war. And believe me, the kids can still get the drugs. It just hasn't worked.”

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #96 on: November 27, 2011, 04:10:30 PM »
Paragraphs please! 

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #98 on: November 27, 2011, 04:22:25 PM »
wait til obama uses the patriot act to lock up bald armed & angry americans after they riot when he steals the 2012 election.

A whole lotta laws you love now will suddenly suck....

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #99 on: November 27, 2011, 08:12:54 PM »
Hey. How about we stop arguing and all agree on Ron Paul 2012!  ;D